Even if you discount the defensive scores, I think Tedford has learned 2 things from the Rosebowl being stolen by texas a few years ago.

1. The powers that be don't respect "just a win" You have to aniliate the other team if you want a BCS bowl.

2. Riley started poorly and he left him in to have a strong finish and also because he wanted him to have the experience of playing a whole game THIS YEAR.

As someone once said, it is not our job to stop us. That is your job.

Colorado is a bad team and they beat themselves.

Why, is Jim Walden posting on that board?

not when your defense score 12 of the 52.cant stop the defense from scoring

Their opinions are irrelevent. If they don't like it then they should play better. I was disappointed in Colorado all around. Their fans bolted early and the few I had contact with were rude. Their team played the 4th quarter like they just wanted to be on the bus.

:cry:

Let em say it, if it makes them feel better about having half a hundred hung on em.

oskidunker;374438 said:

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Even if you discount the defensive scores, I think Tedford has learned 2 things from the Rosebowl being stolen by texas a few years ago.

1. The powers that be don't respect "just a win" You have to aniliate the other team if you want a BCS bowl.

2. Riley started poorly and he left him in to have a strong finish and also because he wanted him to have the experience of playing a whole game THIS YEAR.

As someone once said, it is not our job to stop us. That is your job.

Colorado is a bad team and they beat themselves.

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I doubt Tedford has joined the Mack Brown School of Gratuitously Running Up The Score (which is only practiced by some coaches). I'm sure he left Riley in to address point 2 above, but that's not the same as pulling some dick move like punching it in with 30 seconds to go.

There's definitely a handful of coaches that are trying to ruin the sport by establishing "run it up" as some new universal standard, but I don't think they've quite succeeded.

oskidunker;374438 said:

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Even if you discount the defensive scores, I think Tedford has learned 2 things from the Rosebowl being stolen by texas a few years ago.

1. The powers that be don't respect "just a win" You have to aniliate the other team if you want a BCS bowl.

2. Riley started poorly and he left him in to have a strong finish and also because he wanted him to have the experience of playing a whole game THIS YEAR.

As someone once said, it is not our job to stop us. That is your job.

Colorado is a bad team and they beat themselves.

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Well said, OD.....well said!

510Bear;374480 said:

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I doubt Tedford has joined the Mack Brown School of Gratuitously Running Up The Score (which is only practiced by some coaches). I'm sure he left Riley in to address point 2 above, but that's not the same as pulling some dick move like punching it in with 30 seconds to go.

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Unfortunately, in today's BCS, you HAVE to run it up when you can. The voters are influenced by "impressive wins" or close wins. Most voters don't watch the game, just the final score and certainly don't know if Team A punched it in with a few seconds left. Do you think the coaches have time to watch a team from another conference play before they check off the coach's poll every week?

To the buffalo fans, welcome to the Pac-10! Stop crying about the score! It's not our fault you fielded a bad team, a team that can't run, pass, catch or tackle! You've a slow, marginally talented team with a mediocre coach, playing as you played on saturday I seriously doubt you could win a game this year if you played a full Pac-10 schedule!

GranadaHillsBear;374497 said:

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Unfortunately, in today's BCS, you HAVE to run it up when you can. The voters are influenced by "impressive wins" or close wins. Most voters don't watch the game, just the final score and certainly don't know if Team A punched it in with a few seconds left. Do you think the coaches have time to watch a team from another conference play before they check off the coach's poll every week?

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What is JT to tell MM and DH.
Don't try to score when you get an INT or recover a fumble and see lots of open space in front of you.

Really? Even against the bottom of the Pacific Ten Conference like Washington State.

Oski: can you provide a link?

I have no doubt what you say is true but this is turning into a whole thread of people responding to something they heard second hand. For better or for worse, just let the Buffs be and be thankful that we got to watch a convincing Cal victory.

Go Bears! :gobears:

ISweatBlueGold;374511 said:

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Oski: can you provide a link?

I have no doubt what you say is true but this is turning into a whole thread of people responding to something they heard second hand. For better or for worse, just let the Buffs be and be thankful that we got to watch a convincing Cal victory.

Go Bears! :gobears:

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I second that.....pls provide a link...only because I posted a few times on AllBuffs and those guys seemed somewhat civil compared to some of the other yahoos we've played........I went over to AllBuffs and NetBuffs and couldn't find a thread that was titled anything like that.....but I could be wrong in my old age

I love the ruthlessness that Tedford is playing with. Hawkins and his Buffaloes deserved an a$$ whooping after that cheap hit on Allen.

On another note... did anyone else see Browner flip a guy over his head WWE style on one of Anger's punts?!!! CU guy jumped up to block the ball and Browner owned him. Genyk is teaching our guys some tricks of the trade. Our ST unit and D are pure nasty.

BufEnuf;374509 said:

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Really? Even against the bottom of the Pacific Ten Conference like Washington State.

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Well, at least stop whining like Washington State about "running up the score".

This game is not indicative of running-up the score. I can think of many better examples, that's for sure.

These games are like pre-season ones in that they allow for important game experience, tuning and tweaking before the conference play begins. With that, our O only had the ball like 27 minutes on Sat. This is due to the Buffs containing our running game fairly well (kudos to them), some quick drives on our part and our D putting-up points...

If I'm the head coach, once I know the results of the game are without question, I'm not going to start pulling players until they've had a chance to get a sufficient number of reps (early in the season primarily), especially if they are not doing well, for whatever reason. Shane for example didn't leave until he broke-off a 10 or so yard run, a positive note on which to leave. He's still recovering and getting back into game shape after missing quite a bit of practice time over the past couple of months. Am I supposed to take him out due to the probable sensitivity of an opposing team's coach, players or fans? Heck no. I'll take him out once I feel he's had a sufficient number of reps as that's what is best for him and the team. This goes for other players too...

We did play our second and third stringers. Sweeney, our back-up QB (in case "they" are reading) didn't attempt a pass, right? If he did, it was just one. Actually, he was sacked I believe, so maybe there would have been one attempt. Whatever, the point is that he wasn't chucking the ball downfield, although many of us wanted him to because he does need experience, you know, throwing the ball.

I'm sure they wanted this to be a statement game and I've read that their coach's contract is on the line... Between that, and having not won on the road since 2007 (CSU 2010 should not qualify), the frustration level must be high, and with that, their judgement lacking. If anything, I hope we helped expedite their decision to make a coaching change...

oskidunker;374438 said:

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Even if you discount the defensive scores, I think Tedford has learned 2 things from the Rosebowl being stolen by texas a few years ago.

1. The powers that be don't respect "just a win" You have to aniliate the other team if you want a BCS bowl.

2. Riley started poorly and he left him in to have a strong finish and also because he wanted him to have the experience of playing a whole game THIS YEAR.

As someone once said, it is not our job to stop us. That is your job.

Colorado is a bad team and they beat themselves.

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I doubt Tedford would ever run up the score, but we had no business playing the first team and throwing bombs in the 4th Quarter.

This argument will go back and forth until the institute a scoring cap (yeah right) ....

Suffice to say there is a right and a wrong way to approach this ... if Cal is leaving the starters in for no good reasons and throwing bombs and calling timeouts and using gimmick plays etc ... then I kind of agree with this idea that "they are running up the score". If you are playing a base offense and running between the tackles, playing your second and third team (and getting them basically a live practice against a defense that is NOT your own players), then I don't have any problem with passing and getting some quality minutes for your backups.

Basically, you can't tell your football team to "stop trying to score" ... either the offense OR the defense. Also -- I agree it is the other teams responsibility to stop the offense from scoring.

I agree with one poster regarding the whole "eye test" when it comes to the score and margin of victory. I seriously doubt any poll voter will ever downgrade a team because they scored too many points. We may never know for sure, but what if Cal had gotten another 14 points or so in that Southern Mississippi game (one TD called back and AR taking a knee deep in So Miss territory at the end of the game) .... if it would have made the difference in getting the votes needed to get them into the RB that year. I have no problem with scoring as many points as you can .... Texas Tech has come back from many pretty large deficits so I really wonder when ANY lead is really safe in the third quarter (or fourth quarter for the matter). The WAY the points are scored are much more telling than the actual amount of points that are scored IMHO.

Additionally -- there was a game several years ago where Oklahoma was playing Nebraska (the Huskers stunk that year under Callahan). They were winning large 30-0 late in the game (under 5 minutes). Bob Stoops has his team calling timeouts, passing the ball, running out of bounds, and going for it on fourth down to try and get another score during the last 2 minutes. I think they missed a FG and Nebraska drove down the field in the last moments of the game and kicked a FG just as time expired (they were pretty ****ed at the offense that Stoops was running). IF Stoops had just run the clock out and took the proverbial knee (the classy thing to do), the game would have been over and done. The final score was 30-3 ... the wagering line was Oklahoma -29. No I did not have any money on this game but I know there had to be some pretty angry people that wagered on Oklahoma. In the big picture, it didn't matter to anyone really other than those that wagered on Oklahoma and Nebraska but it was pretty classless.

BufEnuf;374509 said:

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Really? Even against the bottom of the Pacific Ten Conference like Washington State.

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Nah, you guys could beat WSU and UCLA, for sure.

Let's look at the actual sequence of events.

I'm sure it's fair to say that anything done in the 3rd quarter is not "running up the score" -- there's still enough time left that Colorado has at least a chance at coming back in the game if they somehow catch fire.

At the end of the 3rd quarter, the score was 31-7. In college football, teams can come back from a 24-point deficit, since the clock stops more often than in the pros. So it really wasn't over yet. Also keep in mind that the Cal offense had done nothing since halftime, and Colorado had two sustained drives (one of which got them a TD). The momentum was not exactly in our favor.

Our first drive of the 4th quarter saw us call the play-action bootleg pass to Jones (for big yardage) over the defense because they were stacking up and pounding our RBs. Are we just supposed to keep going 3-and-out? You have to call some passes here and there to keep the defense honest; this one caught them with their pants down.

The next drive was really about ball control. Passes were called to help us keep possession, because they were still stacking up against the run. The Buffs couldn't stop those passes, so we scored again. I'll admit that this is the only drive where "running up the score" might be a valid criticism. It was mostly the 1st-team offense in there, though keep in mind that the drive started with 10:18 left in the game; still a lot of time if the Colorado offense is in hurry-up mode.

The last TD was a pick-six off a tipped ball. Is Hagan supposed to not run it back after the ball falls into his hands? Hey Colorado, if you don't want us to run up the score, don't throw interceptions.

Who cares what random posters on their boards are whining about. They're probably the same posters who said Cal would finish 6th the in Big 12. If you don't want to get beat, play harder, play better, and don't bitch about it. Welcome to the Pac 10, Buffs.

We will apologize for hurting the other fans' feelings after showing how crappy their team is....... ya rite!
We should be infinitely more worried about not scoring enough points in the next game than scoring too many in this one.

sycasey;374577 said:

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Let's look at the actual sequence of events.

I'm sure it's fair to say that anything done in the 3rd quarter is not "running up the score" -- there's still enough time left that Colorado has at least a chance at coming back in the game if they somehow catch fire.

At the end of the 3rd quarter, the score was 31-7. In college football, teams can come back from a 24-point deficit, since the clock stops more often than in the pros. So it really wasn't over yet. Also keep in mind that the Cal offense had done nothing since halftime, and Colorado had two sustained drives (one of which got them a TD). The momentum was not exactly in our favor.

Our first drive of the 4th quarter saw us call the play-action bootleg pass to Jones (for big yardage) over the defense because they were stacking up and pounding our RBs. Are we just supposed to keep going 3-and-out? You have to call some passes here and there to keep the defense honest; this one caught them with their pants down.

The next drive was really about ball control. Passes were called to help us keep possession, because they were still stacking up against the run. The Buffs couldn't stop those passes, so we scored again. I'll admit that this is the only drive where "running up the score" might be a valid criticism. It was mostly the 1st-team offense in there, though keep in mind that the drive started with 10:18 left in the game; still a lot of time if the Colorado offense is in hurry-up mode.

The last TD was a pick-six off a tipped ball. Is Hagan supposed to not run it back after the ball falls into his hands? Hey Colorado, if you don't want us to run up the score, don't throw interceptions.

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I agree sycasey.....from what I saw, we played a pretty pi$$ poor 3rd quarter on offense and JT wanted to put together some sustained drives in the 4th to finish with a feeling of competence and confidence..... however, that 2nd long pass could be construed to be a bit much.....JT does this stuff for a reason other then running up the score but I don't expect visiting fans to understand this.....they are all now safely tucked into their Buff beds so no worries

510Bear;374480 said:

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I doubt Tedford has joined the Mack Brown School of Gratuitously Running Up The Score (which is only practiced by some coaches). I'm sure he left Riley in to address point 2 above, but that's not the same as pulling some dick move like punching it in with 30 seconds to go.

There's definitely a handful of coaches that are trying to ruin the sport by establishing "run it up" as some new universal standard, but I don't think they've quite succeeded.

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Errr, I don't think Mack Brown has a habit of running up the score.

sorry: FAIL!

Colorado ran up the score every time they touched the ball.

FremontBear;374537 said:

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I doubt Tedford would ever run up the score, but we had no business playing the first team and throwing bombs in the 4th Quarter.

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You must not have been watching the game. The final score did not accurately reflect the level of play by the Offense. JT wanted to make sure that the first team Offense ended on a high note. The 2d and 3d quarters did not show the Offense in the best light.

GivemTheAxe;374640 said:

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You must not have been watching the game. The final score did not accurately reflect the level of play by the Offense. JT wanted to make sure that the first team Offense ended on a high note. The 2d and 3d quarters did not show the Offense in the best light.

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I was at the game, dude, and I say again, we have no business playing our first team in the 4th quarter and throwing long against Colorado.

FremontBear;374740 said:

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I was at the game, dude, and I say again, we have no business playing our first team in the 4th quarter and throwing long against Colorado.

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Our 1st string O needed the reps and run a few more plays after stinking up in the 3rd Q.

Well, it seems like there are a few lessons here....

1. There's a fine line between "running up the score" and "just playing", and it's often hard to say someone did one or the other.

2. Unless the other team goes for 2 with 5 seconds to go and then does a taunting dance at midfield, the victim of "running up the score" really shouldn't complain, because, dude, it just makes you look bad.

3. Bad teams can have the score run up on them by accident.

dupdadee;374745 said:

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Our 1st string O needed the reps and run a few more plays after stinking up in the 3rd Q.

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We might have legit reasons to play Riley and throw bombs in the 4th Quarter while leading by 30 points, but we can't blame our victims for looking at it as running up the score. These were things Tedford didn't do in the past.

Just strictly looking at the stats, they were almost even except for 1 important category. Turnovers. Cal had many short fields and scored 2 defensive TD's. The starters started coming out in the 3rd quarter. That's running it up?

C6Bear;374814 said:

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Just strictly looking at the stats, they were almost even except for 1 important category. Turnovers. Cal had many short fields and scored 2 defensive TD's. The starters started coming out in the 3rd quarter. That's running it up?

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That's the tricky thing about yardage stats -- they'll often look deceptively even in blowouts, because one team got a huge field-position advantage (thanks to turnovers and special teams play). I'm not sure if this is a reflection of Cal getting lucky, though. Certainly we were somewhat lucky with the tipped passes that went for TDs the other way, but most of Colorado's turnovers were forced; our D was in their backfield all game long, a situation that usually leads to QB fumbles and floated passes that get picked. The D also forced a few 3-and-outs deep in CU territory, setting up the O with great field position after the punt.

After halftime we were content to let the Buffs drive the length of the field, so long as they took a long time to do it.

FremontBear;374788 said:

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We might have legit reasons to play Riley and throw bombs in the 4th Quarter while leading by 30 points, but we can't blame our victims for looking at it as running up the score. These were things Tedford didn't do in the past.

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Lesson learned and people change. The 2008 season (especially against michigan st and washington st) affected Riley's psyche.

And for the buffs fan, sorry, the Bears were just taking care of business.

FremontBear;374537 said:

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I doubt Tedford would ever run up the score, but we had no business playing the first team and throwing bombs in the 4th Quarter.

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Man Up! People who complain about running up the score suck! When Cal is losing I do not get upset, because the other school is running up the score i am mad, because more than likely the team quit.