2011 Season - record estimate

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GinFizzBear
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i would only swap the Beaver-UW wins. I agree with his general expectations though. Emerald bowl for the Golden Bears, if the bowl still exists next year and is aligned with the 12-Pac. Will it be at the Giants' ballpark? ha ha

Fresno St: W
Colorado: W
Presbyterian: W
UW: L
UO: L
USC: L
Utah: L
UCLA: W
WSU: W
OSU: W
Stanford: L
ASU: L
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drunkoski;492471 said:

the problem 6bear6 is you went into this viewing thinking he was horrible and therefore ANY decent play was a surprise. reminds me of after the USC game where the goldenblogs looked at the tape and came to the conclusion that our qbs and D played pretty well.
Yup. As much as I've enjoyed reading HydroTech in the past, he lost most of his hard-earned credibility when after the SC game he stated the following ridiculous saccharine nonsense:
HydroTech said:

"Call me crazy, but I don't feel like the USC loss was *that* bad."
Let us review the 1st half defensive effort (no sense in reviewing the Zero point 1st half output by the offense):
1st half only @ SC: 42 pts allowed, 20 1st downs, 6/8 3rd down convs., 20 compl. passes (69%), 257 pass yds (115 rush yds; 372 yds total 1st half; 602 yds game total), 5 pass TD's (1 rush TD), drive summary (TD1-Punt-TD2-TD3-TD4-TD5-TD6).

And the thing is HydroTech as of late might not find the link and interesting analysis cited above done by Berkelium97 all that persuasive because B97 didn't rewatch the film and regarding the citing of statistics...
HydroTech said:

"The citing of statistics is annoying to say the least."
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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;493135 said:

Yup. As much as I've enjoyed reading HydroTech in the past, he lost most of his hard-earned credibility when after the SC game he stated the following ridiculous saccharine nonsense:
Let us review the 1st half defensive effort (no sense in reviewing the Zero point 1st half output by the offense):
1st half only @ SC: 42 pts allowed, 20 1st downs, 6/8 3rd down convs., 20 compl. passes (69%), 257 pass yds (115 rush yds; 372 yds total 1st half; 602 yds game total), 5 pass TD's (1 rush TD), drive summary (TD1-Punt-TD2-TD3-TD4-TD5-TD6).

And the thing is HydroTech as of late might not find the link and interesting analysis cited above done by Berkelium97 all that persuasive because B97 didn't rewatch the film and regarding the citing of statistics...



Yes, it was brilliant analysis. $c didn't gain 20 yards on EVERY play like in the Oregon game. It was only every OTHER play. Therefore, this was not THAT bad a loss.

Those guys are amazing!!!!
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89Bear;493137 said:

Yes, it was brilliant analysis. $c didn't gain 20 yards on EVERY play like in the Oregon game. It was only every OTHER play. Therefore, this was not THAT bad a loss.

Those guys are amazing!!!!


In all fairness, I'll agree that was NOT Hydro's finest post about the SC game.. but in all honesty, if you read them long enough you'll find out that out of all the contributors there, Hydro probably knows more about football then anyone over there...and over here for that matter.....and I am definitely not one of the "sunshine pumpers" ...having been one of the first ones to duke it out with Avinash aka BearNecessity when he comes over here to insult us... Hydro is darned good overall...the only problem is most of those guys went to Cal in the late 90's and early 2000's so they don't have the history with Cal that many of us over here have....and sometimes some of them (certainly not all of them) have their blue colored homer glasses on too tight at times.....
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BlueAndGold;492123 said:

who are these guys you're talking about? you really think anyone across the country knows who Bridgford or Hinder are?


If you follow HS football than yes... This kid has the tools to be one of the better qb's in the pac 10 if he can stay healthy and our OL gets back to form under coach M. Think Nate pre-injury
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drunkoski;493250 said:

i realize bridford was injured for spring practice, but considering how bad mansion was, if bridgford really is the answer why not at least see what he can do last year? and don't get me wrong i've been a big bridford supporter since i saw him play in HS, but i just can't get past this point.



If things had gotten so bad at the QB position that a receiver was clearly a superior passer, KA, and you could not trust Mansion to throw a pass, then you HAD TO at least try someone else. Screw the weak excuse that someone hadn't graspes the offense of hadn't performed in practice!!!!!!!

You saw what you had in Mansion! One of the worst QB's to come along at that moment in history. Not trying SOMEONE else was essentially giving up!
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drunkoski;493250 said:

i realize bridford was injured for spring practice, but considering how bad mansion was, if bridgford really is the answer why not at least see what he can do last year? and don't get me wrong i've been a big bridford supporter since i saw him play in HS, but i just can't get past this point.


Agreed. We should've seen Bridgford last year. I realize that he had been hurt for most of the two seasons he's been here but Mansion was completely ineffective and Sweeney was so bad that Tedford wouldn't put him in. If Bridgford was healthy, he should've been playing. At the very least, that experience might help him a little going forward.

But what's done is done. This spring is an opportunity for Bridgford and Maynard to show what they can do. I don't care which one is our starter. I just want the best guy playing.
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cal97;493322 said:

Agreed. We should've seen Bridgford last year. I realize that he had been hurt for most of the two seasons he's been here but Mansion was completely ineffective and Sweeney was so bad that Tedford wouldn't put him in. If Bridgford was healthy, he should've been playing. At the very least, that experience might help him a little going forward.

But what's done is done. This spring is an opportunity for Bridgford and Maynard to show what they can do. I don't care which one is our starter. I just want the best guy playing.


It really is hard to reconcile all of this. Maybe he was protecting Bridgford? I hope it's something like that, because otherwise the situation does not compute.
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drunkoski;493351 said:

JT said he didn't get a chance because JT hadn't seen him get any reps in the spring (since he was injured). it's a rather strange explanation. we all know jt has problems changing things midstream though.


Yeah - I really don't take issue with the fact that JT often hides things to the fans, and in this case hope that he's lying to us because that is a really silly answer. It should have been apparent that Mansion wasn't the answer. Rodgers didn't practice in the spring before he transferred, and he got plenty of looks. Desperate times call for desperate measures and all that. When we were generating 0 offense for consecutive games, he should have thrown Bridgford out there to let 'er rip. Obviously he didn't.

I think Tedford is in sort of a catch 22. If the team plays well next year and Bridgford comes out of the gate strong, people will absolutely wonder why he had to sit and watch Mansion stink up the joint (as well as all of the other problems Tedford waited to correct - conditioning, OL coach, WR coach, etc.). If the team is bad again, people will wonder why we haven't improved ...
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Good post.

It seems to me that Tedford really doesn't put together his first team until Fall, and then once he does, he pretty much stays committed to this initial group. Okay, I guess, but when the situation calls for a replacement or personnel adjustment, the subs seem to be ill-prepared or not in game-condition to pick up the slack from whatever cause. Sure,
s#!& happens, but my skewed observation seems to be repeated season after season??????
Unit2Sucks
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BB, I think what you're saying unfortunately (for Cal football) has a lot of truth. As many have pointed out, Tedford only seems to do his self and team evaluation AFTER the season ends. He's got to start adjusting in real-time, and year after year his failure to do so has cost us wins (both present and future - because he's not getting deserving players experience). Rumor has it that some coaches make adjustments during half-time, or *gasp* between series.

We're not talking about rocket science here. Even the most casual fan realized we weren't going to get any pressure on the QB under Gregory in 2009, but Tedford wasn't able to get more than 4 rushers going after the QB until he had time to evaluate the season and fire Gregory?
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Mansion was horrible and Sweeney was obviously not good at all too. Bridgford and Maynard are at least above average, we will have a good runningback (In Gould We Trust) 1 Star Wide out and a Very Good Wr, We have a good TE, We will have at least above average O-Line play (In Coach M We Trust) and our defense will very good to GREAT. We also have the best punter in the nation, this season is going to be a pretty good season don't worry.

Go Bears!!!
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"Yeah, what pnaidu says. We have our nuclear reactors under complete
control and Cal's football 'season is going to be a pretty good season don't worry.'"
pnaidu
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hahahaha
LodeBear
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4-8 or 5-7. wins FSU, Blue, WSU and UCLA. losses, col. away. wash away, oregon away, stanfurd away. ASU away. USC home. better talent better coaching. OSU, toss up. at home, they need new QB and new RB. away games will kill us.
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...well, *somebody* had to say it.
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LodeBear;493492 said:

4-8 or 5-7. wins FSU, Blue, WSU and UCLA. losses, col. away. wash away, oregon away, stanfurd away. ASU away. USC home. better talent better coaching. OSU, toss up. at home, they need new QB and new RB. away games will kill us.


OSU has their QB in Katz, but lose Jacquizz and James' knee is still up in the air. Colorado... I mean new coaching staff, no QB, and both corners are gone. Washington... they have Polk, but they lost their two best players in Locker and Foster. USC I could see us losing to, the team is just scared of them.

We need to establish a QB in the first 3-4 games, and pray that Isi is more durable than he looks
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pnaidu;493468 said:

Bridgford and Maynard are at least above average

Based on what?
afroski
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drunkoski;493351 said:

JT said he didn't get a chance because JT hadn't seen him get any reps in the spring (since he was injured). it's a rather strange explanation. we all know jt has problems changing things midstream though.


I don't think it's that strange or difficult to understand. I tend to think it has more to do with the timing of his injury and poor planning by JT. I don't see it as an indictment of AB's talent.

Basically he got clearance to start throwing right before fall camp. He was surely rusty (possibly still a bit fragile) at that point and not in tune with the O so unable to make a move up the chart. At that point Riley was getting most of the reps and JT probably thought he would have Riley all year so no need to rush AB. For the first half of the season, I assume AB was running scout team offense, so imitating other teams not getting reps running our sets. Boom, Riley goes down and Mansion steps in with 4 games left. It took a couple of games before reality set in on Mansion (remember he did lead us to a stirring victory over WSU in which he did look somewhat serviceable, albeit against a bad team) and then it was really too late to do anything.

So I'm still optimistic that AB can be the man and admittedly influenced to a certain extent by kcal's reports, which are highly appreciated but should not be taken too seriously.

If not, bring on Maynard!!
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afroski;493567 said:

Boom, Riley goes down and Mansion steps in with 4 games left. It took a couple of games before reality set in on Mansion (remember he did lead us to a stirring victory over WSU in which he did look somewhat serviceable, albeit against a bad team) and then it was really too late to do anything.

Doesn't it speak volumes about the terrible QB play, development, mismanagement, etc. when we are describing 12/24, 171, 0, 2 against a team that had lost 15 straight conference games as "somewhat serviceable"? Can we please stop rationalizing why it has been ok to not have at least average D1 QBing in more than 1 season since 2004?

JT failed to have the QB position ready in 2010, just like 2009, 2007, 2005, and I could argue 2008, although that is debatable. I think he'll do better and these changes are positive, but let's not act like the Riley injury took a stable, productive QB pipeline and ruined it, leaving JT handcuffed at the last minute.
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alarsuel;493568 said:

Doesn't it speak volumes about the terrible QB play, development, mismanagement, etc. when we are describing 12/24, 171, 0, 2 against a team that had lost 15 straight conference games as "somewhat serviceable"? Can we please stop rationalizing why it has been ok to not have at least average D1 QBing in more than 1 season since 2004?

JT failed to have the QB position ready in 2010, just like 2009, 2007, 2005, and I could argue 2008, although that is debatable. I think he'll do better and these changes are positive, but let's not act like the Riley injury took a stable, productive QB pipeline and ruined it, leaving JT handcuffed at the last minute.


Yes it does speak volumes, and I wasn't trying to rationalize. That was intended to be a little tongue-in-cheek humor. And I essentially agree with your second paragraph. No reason we shouldn't have a very good starter and a decent back-up every year. Last year we had a decent starter and a horrible back-up. But my main point was that I don't take this as an indication of AB's lack of ability, I just don't think he got healthy early enough to have a reasonable chance of playing. We'll find out soon enough.
afroski
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drunkoski;493582 said:

bridgeford is riley 2.0.


Ugh, I think this is the "Bring on Maynard" scenario!
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Another QB controversy.....I'm revising my prediction to 2-10.

I miss Steve Levy:

[COLOR="Blue"]2005: Played in four games off the bench before earning the start against Stanford and in the bowl game against Brigham Young ... led Cal to a 27-3 Big Game win over Stanford and a 35-28 victory over the Cougars ... ended the season by completing 61.5 percent of his passes with four TDs and two interceptions ... was 10-of-18 for 125 yards and a touchdown against the Cardinal ... tossed a 56-yard touchdown pass to DeSean Jackson in the first period of that game ... ran the ball eight times for 36 yards against Stanford, including a season-long, 21-yard run ... was mistake-free in the bowl game, completing 16 of his 23 pass attempts for 228 yards and two touchdown passes ... came off the bench and completed all four of his passes for 34 yards and led Cal to its only touchdown against USC ... played but did not attempt a pass against Washington and was 2-for-7 with a 52-yard touchdown pass against Sacramento State. [/COLOR]
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I think you need to distinguish looking good throwing the ball and ready to run the offense. In fact, even given the reports of Bridgford at this point, I would suspect he's not ready to run the offense today. I think he will be by Fall - between now and then he is going to get a lot of work. But remember that, because of the injury Bridgford really had very little healthy practice time before last fall. My guess is that if we had thrown Bridgford in, he would not have looked good, maybe even would have looked terrible, though his throwing probably would have been good.

That being said, I would have thrown him out there and see what he could do. If, instead of Mansion, we had Robertson, or Levy, or even Ayoob, I would not. But it was clear that the offense was going to go nowhere. IMO, Tedford is too protective of the psyche of his young QB's. I don't know if that is his nature or if he had an overreaction to Ayoob (which would not be his only overreaction to Ayoob). On the flip side of that, he may have really been not ready. Also, we were doomed when Riley went down. I knew going into the season that we would be doomed if Riley went down. Really, what we are talking about is whether we beat UW, because we were probably not going to change any other outcomes with Bridgford. At least by UW, though, I would have said "why not?". Give the kid some experience and maybe give the team something postive to go into the offseason with. I would have told him that he could only improve his stock, not hurt it, and that he should go out and have fun with it.

That being said, it may or may not have been the wrong decision, but it was a common decision and, drunk, if you are thinking it says anything about Bridgford, I'd point you to Andrew Luck. I'm sure Luck looked good in practice behind Pritchard. And its hard to believe Luck would not have been better than Pritchard from the get go.
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Hmmm....I, and as from what I see as most others here have revealed, agree in essence with what you, OaktownBear, would have done with Bridgeford. But, as I keep
pointing out, Cal's headcoach has strayed far from the Cal expert-fan herd. Most of us don't, apparently, think anything like Tedford when it comes to quarterback play. This in and of itself might be good if Cal QB play was looking up, but it isn't. So, I don't think such disparity can be attributed to me, or anyone else for that matter, not being a quarterback guru (although I've seen a lot of Cal quarterback play). Thus, I may not be able to coach a good QB, but I do know when such has been really coached good.

Oh, I think Tedford or the various QB coaches are able to coach a QB into being good or great, but it is not being done. The No preparation aspect hits me squarely in the face.
No, I feel the headcoach's philosophy is errant. Yes, Tedford can coach a good to great QB, but its the getting there (AR was very good when he arrived at Cal) that is hampered by such errant philosophy. And, until that changes or is adapted so that Tedford can really shine, i.e., working with a very good QB, Cal will continue to have problems.
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Get a Grip. The optimists in this thread must be wonderful people and I'm glad of that and would like to share their enthusiasm. But folks, we have but two offensive starters with established skill and experience - Jones and Allen. After them, our starting line up for Fresno State is guaranteed to consist of the following: QB: Untested. TB: Unproven. TE: Uncertain. FB: Undersized. And that's the good news. Across the front line our starters are, in no particular order: Wouldda, Couldda, Shouldda, Might've and Maybe. If our revamped coaching staff gets to a winning record with this group Rockne and Camp will return from the grave and personally escort them to the new college football hall of fame in Atlanta. Seriously, we could be vastly improved (no blowouts) and still be 6-6. The reason we really can't see down the road is we ain't turned the corner. Sad but true. Let's hope for the best but stop predicting that this time we're gonna win the lottery.
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Deutsch;493778 said:

Get a Grip. The optimists in this thread must be wonderful people and I'm glad of that and would like to share their enthusiasm. But folks, we have but two offensive starters with established skill and experience - Jones and Allen. After them, our starting line up for Fresno State is guaranteed to consist of the following: QB: Untested. TB: Unproven. TE: Uncertain. FB: Undersized. And that's the good news. Across the front line our starters are, in no particular order: Wouldda, Couldda, Shouldda, Might've and Maybe. If our revamped coaching staff gets to a winning record with this group Rockne and Camp will return from the grave and personally escort them to the new college football hall of fame in Atlanta. Seriously, we could be vastly improved (no blowouts) and still be 6-6. The reason we really can't see down the road is we ain't turned the corner. Sad but true. Let's hope for the best but stop predicting that this time we're gonna win the lottery.


I agree that we have lots of question marks and need to be realistic, but your assessment of returning experience on offense is off. A couple of examples are Schwartz (a returning 3-year starter, all P10 performer at OT) and Miller (solid returning 2-year starter at TE).

It may not be as good as some think, but it's clearly not as bad as you make it out.
 
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