I am in the market for a tablet.
It seems there is a basic breakdown in products.
Apple ipad, and everything else.
I work as a clinical analyst so I have some IT knowledge but
confess to being pretty ignorant about tablets.
Colleagues who are knowledgeable all frown on anything with an Android system, be it a smart phone or a tablet.
I've looked at Vizio, android, low memory.
Xoom again I believe low memory
I am also interested in using Clear as a provider.
I want to use the tablet to stream movies and sports, reading books
on line, and accessing the web, email, Bear Insider etc.
Any thoughts?

I can only attest so what I know about the iPad2.

in terms of doing te things you want to be able to do with a tablet, I think the ipad2 does them quite well. I've downloaded and read a couple of books on it, and frequently use it to check mail (Mail app integrated with my iPhone and MacBook), and surf the net as a lighter alternative while at home.

what really impresses me is the interface and the ease of use, and it's versatility due in part to te awesome collection of apps via iTunes store. it makes it fun for any age actually

that said, I haven't used any other comparable platforms or products, just wanted to provide some insight on the ipad

edit: I got it as a gift, but I never subscribed to 3G data capabilities, I only use WIFI at home or on campus. don't know what the pricing is like, but I imagine it can't be cheap if you intend on streaming video and such

Apple products are generally fashion statements prone to break and malfunction and designed for the dainty and gentle user group (can't tell you how many jacked up iPhone screens I've seen in 4 years).

Android 3.x tablets are the highest performing tablets on the market, and Toshiba, ASUS and Acer all make quality products with high responsiveness and access to the 'official' Android Market.

Android is to tablets what Windows is to personal computing, more ubiquitous, more available, and eventually more accepted as a personal computing option in the long run.

Apple will always cater to the niche, and they will, in general, be content in being a number 2 volume player in a given product category. They have been successful in buying up IP (along w/ Microsoft and others) where Google is far behind in protecting the Android OS against IP lawsuits. That being said, the Android technology is just as good as if not better than Apple OS for tablets, and will eventually be the mainstream tablet/phone OS of choice. With that, you will have a more useful and versatile tool than one would expect from the fashion statement that is iPad.

the vizio one is terrible. doesn't even run on tablet designed android. its os was developed for phones.
if you are leaning android, I'd check out the asus transformer first, followed by the new samsung galaxy tab and xoom. I really like the asus though.
the ipads...man, if they just would have gone usb or micro sd to expand memory. but thats apple for ya

WCC-TheBearingPoint;543320 said:

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Apple products are generally fashion statements prone to break and malfunction and designed for the dainty and gentle user group (can't tell you how many jacked up iPhone screens I've seen in 4 years).

Android 3.x tablets are the highest performing tablets on the market, and Toshiba, ASUS and Acer all make quality products with high responsiveness and access to the 'official' Android Market.

Android is to tablets what Windows is to personal computing, more ubiquitous, more available, and eventually more accepted as a personal computing option in the long run.

Apple will always cater to the niche, and they will, in general, be content in being a number 2 volume player in a given product category. They have been successful in buying up IP (along w/ Microsoft and others) where Google is far behind in protecting the Android OS against IP lawsuits. That being said, the Android technology is just as good as if not better than Apple OS for tablets, and will eventually be the mainstream tablet/phone OS of choice. With that, you will have a more useful and versatile tool than one would expect from the fashion statement that is iPad.

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That's a load of crap. Android = soon to be dead OS due to numerous patent violations that google refuse to pay thru the nose for. Apple is #1 in smartphones and tablet so everyone else is clearly aiming for #2. And I work in high-tech / IT so clearly iPads aren't just meant for novice users. Apple's quality is well known (once they start hitting critical mass production) and need no defense.

In my opinion, tablets are not yet where they need to be to provide users with a complete experience (i.e. there are functional inconsistencies among all of the different models). I do like the idea of tablets, quite frankly I'm surprised it has taken as long as it has for companies to produce them, but unless you just cannot bear to wait they are still a couple generations away from being a complete end user solution.

iPAD2

only problem is that you end up using it too much.

drunkoski;543336 said:

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i'd generally agree with WCC about apple hype, but the ipad seems leaps above of the other tablets currently. i'd love to buy an android tablet since my work email requires flash and therefore i wouldn't have to take a laptop on vacation, but so far i haven't seen a good one.

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Word is that flash on the ipad is coming sooner rather than later.

grandmastapoop;543374 said:

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Word is that flash on the ipad is coming sooner rather than later.

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Actually adobe is phasing out flash for html5 or at least make them more easily convertible based on recent headlines so flash/no flash may not be a big issue soon.

tommie317;543379 said:

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Actually adobe is phasing out flash for html5 or at least make them more easily convertible based on recent headlines so flash/no flash may not be a big issue soon.

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Just remember this thread.

tastes great / less filling

tastes great / less filling

tastes great ! / less filling !

TASTES GREAT / LESS FILLING


or


duck season, rabbit season
Duck Season, Rabbit Season
DUCK SEASON, RABBIT SEASON ......

Not sure what you are referring to grandma. Flash been rumored forever.

drunkoski;543408 said:

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interesting. i thought jobs was deadset against it. something to do with adobe supporting microsoft or something.

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Banning Flash sounded like something jobs would take to his grave. This would be a major about-face. Unless your rumors are based on inside knowledge, I highly doubt it

He didn't go flash for a few reasons:

1) They wouldn't give him control over all the code, or whatever (just like how Verizon initially lost out on the iPhone b/c they wouldn't give Jobs any control over their network).

2) Flash is a buggy, battery draining, inefficient PoS (according to Jobs)

beeasyed;543319 said:

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I can only attest so what I know about the iPad2.

in terms of doing te things you want to be able to do with a tablet, I think the ipad2 does them quite well. I've downloaded and read a couple of books on it, and frequently use it to check mail (Mail app integrated with my iPhone and MacBook), and surf the net as a lighter alternative while at home.

what really impresses me is the interface and the ease of use, and it's versatility due in part to te awesome collection of apps via iTunes store. it makes it fun for any age actually

that said, I haven't used any other comparable platforms or products, just wanted to provide some insight on the ipad

edit: I got it as a gift, but I never subscribed to 3G data capabilities, I only use WIFI at home or on campus. don't know what the pricing is like, but I imagine it can't be cheap if you intend on streaming video and such

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I second your post. IPad 2 is a very handy device, light, quick, easy to get email, keyboard also easy to use, lots and lots and lots of apps.

tommie317;543405 said:

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Not sure what you are referring to grandma. Flash been rumored forever.

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I don't have much in the way of detail, but just remember this thread over the next month or two.

Davidson;543417 said:

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He didn't go flash for a few reasons:

1) They wouldn't give him control over all the code, or whatever (just like how Verizon initially lost out on the iPhone b/c they wouldn't give Jobs any control over their network).

2) Flash is a buggy, battery draining, inefficient PoS (according to Jobs)

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grandmastapoop;543374 said:

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Word is that flash on the ipad is coming sooner rather than later.

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tommie317;543379 said:

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Actually adobe is phasing out flash for html5 or at least make them more easily convertible based on recent headlines so flash/no flash may not be a big issue soon.

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bingo Tommie. flash --> HTML5 converter, designed by Adobe, called Wallaby

http://www.businessinsider.com/adobe-gives-in-to-apple-releases-flash-to-html-converter-2011-3

tommie317;543337 said:

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That's a load of crap. Android = soon to be dead OS due to numerous patent violations that google refuse to pay thru the nose for. Apple is #1 in smartphones and tablet so everyone else is clearly aiming for #2. And I work in high-tech / IT so clearly iPads aren't just meant for novice users. Apple's quality is well known (once they start hitting critical mass production) and need no defense.

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You forgot to add, "We are the iPeople. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."

Apple does make great products, but they aren't the end all be all of technology. The screens do break a lot. They are the #3 OS for smart phones in terms of numbers of users (comparing android, an OS, to apple, a device manufacturer, as you've done above isn't really fair). Oh, and they're not as often the industry leader as you might think. I had a phone that performed the same function as facetime a full year before Apple "invented" it.

Right now, they're a solid manufacturer, with an excellent marketing campaign, and an OS known for its ease of use, even if it sometimes cripples functionality to maintain stability. Even though that description may sound critical, I still think all of that adds up to great products. They just aren't for me, fanboy, and they don't have to be. It's ok to acknowledge the existence and viability of other products.

I have an iPad. Get an iPad 2. (If this was a debate between smartphones, it'd be completely different. Disclaimer: I also have an Android phone).

CalBearRJ;543480 said:

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You forgot to add, "We are the iPeople. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."

Apple does make great products, but they aren't the end all be all of technology. The screens do break a lot. They are the #3 OS for smart phones in terms of numbers of users (comparing android, an OS, to apple, a device manufacturer, as you've done above isn't really fair). Oh, and they're not as often the industry leader as you might think. I had a phone that performed the same function as facetime a full year before Apple "invented" it.

Right now, they're a solid manufacturer, with an excellent marketing campaign, and an OS known for its ease of use, even if it sometimes cripples functionality to maintain stability. Even though that description may sound critical, I still think all of that adds up to great products. They just aren't for me, fanboy, and they don't have to be. It's ok to acknowledge the existence and viability of other products.

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I was saying they are #1 in mobile phones based on the post I replied to stating that Apple likes being #2. I was never arguing that being "#1" automatically equals best.

Sure Android is #1 in OS. When they day comes when I can run an OS without using a device, please let me know. Otherwise, it's the whole package OS + mobile device that I evaluate.

I love how I'm being called fanboy for pushing 2 apple products (not mac book air, not airport, not apple tv, ipod, or the hundreds of other products apple makes). It's really just a lame name-calling attempt to distract from the lack substance in your argument. I never said facetime concept was invented by Apple or heck most things (although clearly there are some things in the iphone that Apple was first to introduce like motion gestures on a mobile phone) but what Apple (particularly Jobs) is good at is the owning and deliverying a great customer experience.

Enjoy Android while you can. It's been well documented that Google purposely and, well knowing the ramifactions, to infringe on numerous Apple and other companies' patents (which they have stated would terminally cripple the OS if taken out) to develop the Android, a product Google doesn't even make money on.

Here's some articles on Android's notorious patent infringements. Good luck to those who own it and I wouldn't count on Google exec to put up a viable counter-argument:

http://paidcontent.org/article/419-motorola-reminds-world-that-the-best-patent-defense-can-be-a-good-offen/

http://allthingsd.com/20110804/google-fires-back-in-android-patent-war-of-words/

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/07/16/apple-vs-google-inside-an-android-patent-violation/

Remember that Apple 1984 Super Bowl Commercial?



Well, Steve Jobs now employs 1 million Chinese workers slaving away at making Apple products. There is an entire city of 440,000 Apple employees in Communist China.

Steve Jobs was being prophetic in 1984.....about himself.

drunkoski;543636 said:

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it is pretty funny apple has become the it product for "socially responsible" folk when they basically use slave labor and have the highest product margins of any tech company out there. never understood why one multi billion $$$ profit company is considered good and another, microsoft, is considered evil. good marketing i guess

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Heh. I heard on the radio that Apple briefly passed Exxon Mobile on Monday in market value.

Don't get me wrong, I have issues with the whole OS situation, security problems and all.

Looking forward to a bright young Cal student developing an operating system suitable for the 21st century tech environment.

drunkoski;543636 said:

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it is pretty funny apple has become the it product for "socially responsible" folk when they basically use slave labor and have the highest product margins of any tech company out there. never understood why one multi billion $$$ profit company is considered good and another, microsoft, is considered evil. good marketing i guess

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Jay Leno = bad at PR, not friendly to reporters.

Conan O'Brien = good at PR, very friendly to reporters.

Jay Leno takes over Conan's timeslot effectively ending his show = he's evil.

Conan O'Brien taking over George Lopez's timeslot effectiely ending his show = he's awesome.

drunkoski;543636 said:

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it is pretty funny apple has become the it product for "socially responsible" folk when they basically use slave labor and have the highest product margins of any tech company out there. never understood why one multi billion $$$ profit company is considered good and another, microsoft, is considered evil. good marketing i guess

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Not sure why this conversation turned from what is the best tablet to why is apple evil, but I'm not going to defend the common practices of outsourced manufacturing whether it be apple, htc, sony, etc. Apple may get more exposure because of the popularity of the products but it's the name of the game and apple is no different.

tommie317;543665 said:

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Not sure why this conversation turned from what is the best tablet to why is apple evil, but I'm not going to defend the common practices of outsourced manufacturing whether it be apple, htc, sony, etc. Apple may get more exposure because of the popularity of the products but it's the name of the game and apple is no different.

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I wasn't trying to turn the conversation that direction. Apple isn't evil, Apple is corporate, which is why it struck me that their 1984 Super Bowl commercial is a little ironic in todays' tech world.

tommie317;543543 said:

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I was saying they are #1 in mobile phones based on the post I replied to stating that Apple likes being #2. I was never arguing that being "#1" automatically equals best.

Sure Android is #1 in OS. When they day comes when I can run an OS without using a device, please let me know. Otherwise, it's the whole package OS + mobile device that I evaluate.

I love how I'm being called fanboy for pushing 2 apple products (not mac book air, not airport, not apple tv, ipod, or the hundreds of other products apple makes). It's really just a lame name-calling attempt to distract from the lack substance in your argument. I never said facetime concept was invented by Apple or heck most things (although clearly there are some things in the iphone that Apple was first to introduce like motion gestures on a mobile phone) but what Apple (particularly Jobs) is good at is the owning and deliverying a great customer experience.

Enjoy Android while you can. It's been well documented that Google purposely and, well knowing the ramifactions, to infringe on numerous Apple and other companies' patents (which they have stated would terminally cripple the OS if taken out) to develop the Android, a product Google doesn't even make money on.

Here's some articles on Android's notorious patent infringements. Good luck to those who own it and I wouldn't count on Google exec to put up a viable counter-argument:

http://paidcontent.org/article/419-motorola-reminds-world-that-the-best-patent-defense-can-be-a-good-offen/

http://allthingsd.com/20110804/google-fires-back-in-android-patent-war-of-words/

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/07/16/apple-vs-google-inside-an-android-patent-violation/

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Here's your public service announcement to highlight all of the things that are definitely true:

Truth #1: Google is the only company that is ever accused of patent infringement.

ahem:

http://www.fastcompany.com/1693197/why-apple-could-pay-more-than-625m-for-cover-flow-patent-infringement

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/25/judge-rules-in-apples-favor-in-patent-lawsuit-filed-by-nokia/

What's definitely not true: Tech companies sue each other over patent infringement all the time. The way current patent law works is silly with current technological development, and companies claim patents on everything, and sue over everything in an effort to constantly gain slight competitive advantage. This isn't my opinion personally, but many think that Apple files a lot of frivolous patent lawsuits.

Truth #2: Limiting your smartphone rankings to OS+device isn't annoyingly specific.

There are only two companies left in the world that both a) design an OS and b) only allow their OS to run on devices designed by them. One of those companies (Nokia) is phasing out Symbian. Oh, and they still beat Apple.

But whatever. I guess your argument has some merit. Total package does means something. But the simple fact that there are a number of android devices to choose from makes it impossible for anything but Apple to win by talking this way. Except that, in this case, "win" means, "be less popular than one of the worst smart phone operating systems."

What's definitely not true: The variety of hardware an platforms upon which one can run Android is a good thing, and many of the android devices are just as good as the Apple counterparts. Choosing among them is a matter of preference.

Truth #3: Being an Apple fanboy means you must tout the wonders of every single one of their products.

Call me crazy, I think refusing to acknowledge the viability of the most popular Smartphone OS in the world while discussing Apple's impending rise to prominence makes you a fanboy.

What's definitely not true: tommie317 is an Apple fanboy.

Truth #4: CalBearRJ should enjoy Android while he can.

I don't own any products that run the android OS. I'd probably prefer it to the iOS, but I think both are flawed. They also have their own set of positive qualities. I totally understand and respect people who like Apple products, even Tommie317.

What's definitely not true: Both Android and iOS will be around for a long time and will peacefully coexist in the competitve market....even if that makes tommie317 angry.

CalBearRJ;543682 said:

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Here's your public service announcement to highlight all of the things that are definitely true:

Truth #1: Google is the only company that is ever accused of patent infringement.

ahem:

http://www.fastcompany.com/1693197/why-apple-could-pay-more-than-625m-for-cover-flow-patent-infringement

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/25/judge-rules-in-apples-favor-in-patent-lawsuit-filed-by-nokia/

What's definitely not true: Tech companies sue each other over patent infringement all the time. The way current patent law works is silly with current technological development, and companies claim patents on everything, and sue over everything in an effort to constantly gain slight competitive advantage. This isn't my opinion personally, but many think that Apple files a lot of frivolous patent lawsuits.

Truth #2: Limiting your smartphone rankings to OS+device isn't annoyingly specific.

There are only two companies left in the world that both a) design an OS and b) only allow their OS to run on devices designed by them. One of those companies (Nokia) is phasing out Symbian. Oh, and they still beat Apple.

But whatever. I guess your argument has some merit. Total package does means something. But the simple fact that there are a number of android devices to choose from makes it impossible for anything but Apple to win by talking this way. Except that, in this case, "win" means, "be less popular than one of the worst smart phone operating systems."

What's definitely not true: The variety of hardware an platforms upon which one can run Android is a good thing, and many of the android devices are just as good as the Apple counterparts. Choosing among them is a matter of preference.

Truth #3: Being an Apple fanboy means you must tout the wonders of every single one of their products.

Call me crazy, I think refusing to acknowledge the viability of the most popular Smartphone OS in the world while discussing Apple's impending rise to prominence makes you a fanboy.

What's definitely not true: tommie317 is an Apple fanboy.

Truth #4: CalBearRJ should enjoy Android while he can.

I don't own any products that run the android OS. I'd probably prefer it to the iOS, but I think both are flawed. They also have their own set of positive qualities. I totally understand and respect people who like Apple products, even Tommie317.

What's definitely not true: Both Android and iOS will be around for a long time and will peacefully coexist in the competitve market....even if that makes tommie317 angry.

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1. What is unique is Google at a point in time knew prior to release that they would be sued up the wazoo by everyone and their mom. Out of all large companies involved in mobile, Google had the least amount of viable patents. Sure, Apple pays Nokia $5 per phone for licensing, samsung/sony makes certain ports, etc. but Android is only an OS in which Google is offering free i.e. free multi-patent infringement all you can eat willfully and intently kinda just doing it to cause trouble.

2. Did you forget Blackberry? Sure variety is a good thing, when all they are are neat iphone clones, some with bigger screens, faster processor, etc. etc but apple still sets the standard. Nokia may still be barely leading but you know it's only temporary, but really that's not the original point of most post. I dont care if they are 1st, 2nd, last, as long as I find them to be the most value to me, that works for me.

3. I've owned Blackberry, Palm, Windows and haven't owned Android but have played with it. I'm an early adopter owned the first digital US phone, the first clam shell phone, the first color phone, the first smartphone, etc. So stop assuming that I'm some naive fanboy (again the use of this kind of "name-calling" is just a said attempt to demean my viewpoint). Sorry dude, still haven't found the killer OS to replace IOS.

4. Well that's about said it for the viability of Android when those who defend it against ios don't even use it. Would you like to argue about tampons vs. maxi-pads now?

drunkoski;543636 said:

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it is pretty funny apple has become the it product for "socially responsible" folk when they basically use slave labor and have the highest product margins of any tech company out there. never understood why one multi billion $$$ profit company is considered good and another, microsoft, is considered evil. good marketing i guess

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Cause the Chinese people would be so much better off if the tech manufacturing never enslaved them?

tommie317;543732 said:

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1. What is unique is Google at a point in time knew prior to release that they would be sued up the wazoo by everyone and their mom. Out of all large companies involved in mobile, Google had the least amount of viable patents. Sure, Apple pays Nokia $5 per phone for licensing, samsung/sony makes certain ports, etc. but Android is only an OS in which Google is offering free i.e. free multi-patent infringement all you can eat willfully and intently kinda just doing it to cause trouble.

2. Did you forget Blackberry? Sure variety is a good thing, when all they are are neat iphone clones, some with bigger screens, faster processor, etc. etc but apple still sets the standard. Nokia may still be barely leading but you know it's only temporary, but really that's not the original point of most post. I dont care if they are 1st, 2nd, last, as long as I find them to be the most value to me, that works for me.

3. I've owned Blackberry, Palm, Windows and haven't owned Android but have played with it. I'm an early adopter owned the first digital US phone, the first clam shell phone, the first color phone, the first smartphone, etc. So stop assuming that I'm some naive fanboy (again the use of this kind of "name-calling" is just a said attempt to demean my viewpoint). Sorry dude, still haven't found the killer OS to replace IOS.

4. Well that's about said it for the viability of Android when those who defend it against ios don't even use it. Would you like to argue about tampons vs. maxi-pads now?

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Definitely maxipads, you tampon fanboy.

If I'm not allowed to defend Android, you're not allowed to criticize it; neither of us use it extensively, so either you're displaying faulty logic, or neither of us are entitled to an opinion.

I'm extremely happy that you find that iOS works for you and that for your needs, it is the best OS. That's an appropriate way of expressing preference.

But what makes someone a fanboy isn't that he only uses one company's devices or that he refuses to try (and maybe even like) other products. It's even ok to prefer one company or one product line without being a fanboy.

What makes someone a fanboy is when he presumes that his preference is somehow superior to others--that because he prefers a certain product that others aren't allowed to criticize it. Fanboy's say things like "Apple's quality is well known (once they start hitting critical mass production) and need no defense," or "all they are are neat iphone clones." This is a way of disallowing criticism of apple while diminishing the quality of anything non-Apple by saying that they stole all of their good qualities. It's a neat rhetorical trick, but it doesn't allow for any type of meaningful engagement.

I think I've been pretty fair about both Apple and Android; I think I've given credence to both, while stating a slight preference for one. I may have offended you with my snarky challenges to your points that I find wrong or misleading, and for that I apologize. But you must acknowledge that I've at least been fair.

I don't think you've been the same. Which is why, at least in the context of this thread, I think you're a fanboy. Normally that word is involved in mindless namecalling, but it is a word with meaning and it can be used correctly.

Finally, you're kidding yourself if you think patent litigation is going to make Android disappear. You would have to give undue weight to your own preference for iOS in order to think that Google is much more guilty of patent infringement than every other tech company.

I think there might be a one word term for the fanaticism that arises when a person gives undue weight to a preference, but that term seems to be slipping my mind.....

JerseyBear;543317 said:

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I am in the market for a tablet.
It seems there is a basic breakdown in products.
Apple ipad, and everything else.
I work as a clinical analyst so I have some IT knowledge but
confess to being pretty ignorant about tablets.
Colleagues who are knowledgeable all frown on anything with an Android system, be it a smart phone or a tablet.
I've looked at Vizio, android, low memory.
Xoom again I believe low memory
I am also interested in using Clear as a provider.
I want to use the tablet to stream movies and sports, reading books
on line, and accessing the web, email, Bear Insider etc.
Any thoughts?

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I have the iPad2 with 3G and 64 gig memory from Verizon wireless. I am not in IT, but am familiar enough with computer technology to be able to use it in my varied careers beginning with physiology research, medicine, small business, the law and now retirement. This includes IBM/Burroughs mainframes, DEC minicomputers, cp/m, dos, windows and now apple ios. I change when software appears on a particular operating system which helps me do the work or entertainment I am interested in doing, i.e. what use to be called the "Killer App". I am a user of software and an author only to the extent I modify the applications to make it work for me. I do not get involved in judgments about the inherent value of one operating system over another.

For the purposes of the OP, I would suggest reviewing articles in pcmag.com or others which list the "100 best ipad apps" and compare those with the articles on "50 best Android apps" etc. for surveys of what is available.

Since receipt of mine, besides browsing the web, reading subscriptions to magazines and newspapers, and doing email, I've video chatted with my family in S. Cal, Hawaii and New York City, watched the first two episodes of HBO's Mildred Pierce which I missed when first televised, (with an add-on) took and recorded my BP to my health database, (with another add-on) monitored the temperature of a BBQ roast, with an ipad stylus, taken extensive hand written notes in a lecture, GPS a lot including a couple of auto trips within the state, maintained hand written to-do lists, have ongoing scrabble-like games with my children and downloaded some music scores. I have not used it for long form documents, yet, although I do have a blue tooth keyboard available.

The negatives for me include a cumbersome way to print so as to discourage direct printing, and the lack of flash. Transferring files from elsewhere to the ipad can involve use of itunes as the intermediary.

While not an ios vs android issue, the benefit of Apple standardization may be illustrated by the ease of video-chatting with Facetime. It took no more than five minutes or so to figure out first time connections with a Mac, iPod touch latest generation, and Apple iPhone. Whereas, it took a calling back and forth for an hour or so to get an operative connection with Skype for the iPad on my end and a windows skype on the other with a relative, a retired IT professional (who won't use Apple products) because he had to try two computers of varying ages with his webcams.

I used month to month contract for the 3G data plan for $35 for 30 gb for two months and then quit, until I see a need.

CalBearRJ;543774 said:

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Definitely maxipads, you tampon fanboy.

If I'm not allowed to defend Android, you're not allowed to criticize it; neither of us use it extensively, so either you're displaying faulty logic, or neither of us are entitled to an opinion.

I'm extremely happy that you find that iOS works for you and that for your needs, it is the best OS. That's an appropriate way of expressing preference.

But what makes someone a fanboy isn't that he only uses one company's devices or that he refuses to try (and maybe even like) other products. It's even ok to prefer one company or one product line without being a fanboy.

What makes someone a fanboy is when he presumes that his preference is somehow superior to others--that because he prefers a certain product that others aren't allowed to criticize it. Fanboy's say things like "Apple's quality is well known (once they start hitting critical mass production) and need no defense," or "all they are are neat iphone clones." This is a way of disallowing criticism of apple while diminishing the quality of anything non-Apple by saying that they stole all of their good qualities. It's a neat rhetorical trick, but it doesn't allow for any type of meaningful engagement.

I think I've been pretty fair about both Apple and Android; I think I've given credence to both, while stating a slight preference for one. I may have offended you with my snarky challenges to your points that I find wrong or misleading, and for that I apologize. But you must acknowledge that I've at least been fair.

I don't think you've been the same. Which is why, at least in the context of this thread, I think you're a fanboy. Normally that word is involved in mindless namecalling, but it is a word with meaning and it can be used correctly.

Finally, you're kidding yourself if you think patent litigation is going to make Android disappear. You would have to give undue weight to your own preference for iOS in order to think that Google is much more guilty of patent infringement than every other tech company.

I think there might be a one word term for the fanaticism that arises when a person gives undue weight to a preference, but that term seems to be slipping my mind.....

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It's about putting your money where your mouth is.

I like how you choose to bold and/or italicize certains words when arguing. Makes you sound so much more sophisticated. Oh that's right, that's actually because of that pedestal you are looking down from.

Again, your argument is surrounded by name-calling drivel than actual concrete evidence or even directed to exactly what I was speaking about. I never said Apple first introduced Facetime, I never professed that Android didn't have good qualities that Apple doesn't. I never said Apple was #1 in IOS. I never said IOS was the only operating system I'm familiar with. And so on which you are arguing with are all based on arguments that I never actually made.

You mentioned that only two companies still make combined IOS and device to make yourself sound like some authority which obviously it really highlights that your knowledge is superficial. Why don't you stop acting like you are this unbiased, know-it-all and just accept that your comparison of ios vs. android, without true first-hand ownership experience is purely superficial.

drunkoski;543775 said:

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I seem to remember similar logic from nike sweatshop apologists.

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So you do agree that the people who work for the likes of Nike and Apple would be better off if these corporations ceased to exist.

burritos;543798 said:

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So you do agree that the people who work for the likes of Nike and Apple would be better off if these corporations ceased to exist.

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DO is never against taking advantage of the lower class. The middle class can deal with even more struggle as well.

tommie317;543795 said:

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It's about putting your money where your mouth is.

I like how you choose to bold and/or italicize certains words when arguing. Makes you sound so much more sophisticated. Oh that's right, that's actually because of that pedestal you are looking down from.

Again, your argument is surrounded by name-calling drivel than actual concrete evidence or even directed to exactly what I was speaking about. I never said Apple first introduced Facetime, I never professed that Android didn't have good qualities that Apple doesn't. I never said Apple was #1 in IOS. I never said IOS was the only operating system I'm familiar with. And so on which you are arguing with are all based on arguments that I never actually made.

You mentioned that only two companies still make combined IOS and device to make yourself sound like some authority which obviously it really highlights that your knowledge is superficial. Why don't you stop acting like you are this unbiased, know-it-all and just accept that your comparison of ios vs. android, without true first-hand ownership experience is purely superficial.

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When Android doesn't fold due to patent infringement, will you come back and admit that the "facts" that you claim might be a bit biased? They're the only "facts" that I can find in any of your posts, except that Apple was the #1 smartphone manufacturer, which, as I've pointed out, is misleading. I really hope you will come back, so that I can do some real name calling. I'll call your arguments superficial.

BTW, the over use of italics and bold is a sign of weakness in writing. I admit that it is one of my crutches. So is the use of cliche.

Hey, have you ever heard the phrase, "he who lives in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?"

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Again, your argument is surrounded by name-calling drivel than actual concrete evidence or even directed to exactly what I was speaking about.

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