This is ripped off from Allbuffs message board. it originally came from a Texas Tech message board update from their mods.

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Big 12 Equal Revenue may be final straw for Oklahoma
In what many have called a concession by Texas in order to promote Big 12 harmony, it agreed to equal revenue sharing of Tier 1 and Tier 2 media rights among conference members. Texas didn't give up much financially in that deal and figured it would keep the conference together while eliminating the noise surrounding the Longhorn Network.

But what about Oklahoma? For them, they gave up the same money that UT did but they don't have the LHN to fall back on. In short, Sooner got screwed.

(EDIT: content was deleted because it turned out to be paywall protected. -- GFB

upshot is: big12 meeting this thurs, might be 4-team exodus to pac-12, or 9 teams remaining in a reformed big 12, with the possibility of adding byu after the dust settles.)


- Staff

Just as we've said all along....Texas acting all benevolent but doesn't lose much money in the deal and the LHN AGAIN, it the force of nature which destroys all those in its path....My hunch has always been a Pac 14...not my desire necessarily but my hunch...then I backed off a bit since the equal revenue sharing was on the table...but as posted in another thread, that LHN is still the undoing...even if OU gets it's own network (content ????),

you still have a whimpering coward in Baylor,
2 misfit toys in KSU and ISU,
Kansas, somewhat happy it has suitors, Dorothy and Toto
the confused little boy in Missouri,
the raging lunatic that wants out in TAMU,
the hopeful one in TTU that it all works out but really, nobody wants then without UT...
Okie State looking to Boone Pickens for cash and Boren of OU for guidance...
OU has had just about enough of all these phucking idiots and
Texas...the innocent one of course since they think they have done nothing wrong.....you know, sort of like Hitler......:moon:

I would love to see the whole damn thing broken up just to see Texas cry...but nobody is going to sigh something that says they can't go anywhere until the end of time.....that is insane...you treat teams equally and with respect and they won't leave a major conference....see B1G, Pac 12, SEC....

If Okie and state leave the big 12, can't baylor just sue the pac like they would the sec?

GinFizzBear;563445 said:

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Here's the kicker: if Oklahoma does decide against joining the Pac-12, the Big 12 Conference would still cease to exist. There is a proposal that is currently under consideration that, if enacted, would dissolve the Big 12. The remaining nine schools would then reform as a completely new conference, complete with a new home office, new bylaws, new name, new leadership, new everything.

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The Longhorn Conference!

burritos;563454 said:

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If Okie and state leave the big 12, can't baylor just sue the pac like they would the sec?

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They could but there was no ongoing relationship like there was with TAMU and SEC....if OU leaves, and OSU by extension, I believe their ESPN contract can be voided with less than 8 or 9 teams...plus our law schools can beat up their law schools...

Over at Shaggy they are actually thinking, and I mean A LOT of them, they want to bring on Air Force, BYU and....wait for it... Colorado St or UNLV.....that is desperation...

Wouldn't OU have to share revenue in our conference?

By the way, I think Aggies are actually making donations to put this billboard up in Waco, Tx., home of the Baylor Bears....(Baptist School)

RealDrew2;563475 said:

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Wouldn't OU have to share revenue in our conference?

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Yes but the contract is more in our conference plus they'd get the extra millions from the Pac 12 networks (third tier rights)...they get none of that in the Big12 because there are no networks...only the LHN for Texas...

Cal_Fan2;563478 said:

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Yes but the contract is more in our conference plus they'd get the extra millions from the Pac 12 networks (third tier rights)...they get none of that in the Big12 because there are no networks...only the LHN for Texas...

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This is just getting more bizarre. If texas really wants to take away OU's extra money and give it to teams that are barely BCS level schools and would make dick in the Big East or ConfUSA.... it seems like Texas wants OU to blow up the conference so they are not the bad guys. If anything, Texas and all the others should be figuring out a way to get OU more money to keep them. A lot more money. Plus none of this revenue sharing has anything to do with A&M.... they don't have the LHN $$ and are going SEC whether ISU, KSU, and BU get $14 million per or $16 million per. That is unless Texas wants A&M gone (which I thought the most definitely didn't) - if UT does indeed want A&M gone, are they trying to buy off the Baylors with a little extra cash.

"The Big 12 CEOs are set to meet on Thursday"

I guess the pretense of them being universities and not sports corporations has been dropped.

Cal_Fan2;563478 said:

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Yes but the contract is more in our conference plus they'd get the extra millions from the Pac 12 networks (third tier rights)...they get none of that in the Big12 because there are no networks...only the LHN for Texas...

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Yeah, you have to look at it from OU's perspective - stay in remodeled Little10 where they have the same rights and money as Iowa State and are left looking up at Texas, or come to P14 where they have more money and are eyeball to eyeball with everyone else.

The networks will buy everyone off and, the State of Texas would love to have all it's minor schools in the big-12 - they could drive to their games. Fill in the rest with Mountain West teams - what a joke - but Texans will watch football, no matter what it's caliber. It is all about games in the Texas market for ESPN and worshiping at the alter of the longhorns - very Texas!

The big-12 is so full of drama.........................thank goodness football is being played in the Pac-12. Can you imagine how happy Nebraska and Colorado are that they left last year? Can you imagine how mad Nebraska and Colorado would be if Texas joined their new league?

Time to move on and not give attention to these clowns...............

This doesn't actually make much sense, since the schools that would benefit most from equal revenue-sharing are the ones that would be left adrift if the Big Tex collapses--and thus are already motivated to keep the conference together.

Unless Deloss Dodds is secretly trying to make things collapse quicker while maintaining some kind of plausible deniability. Hmm...

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Or, yeah. Basically what ColoradoBear said. :P

UrsaMajor;563509 said:

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"The Big 12 CEOs are set to meet on Thursday"

I guess the pretense of them being universities and not sports corporations has been dropped.

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+1

Exactly!!!

dinan3;563520 said:

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The networks will buy everyone off and, the State of Texas would love to have all it's minor schools in the big-12 - they could drive to their games. Fill in the rest with Mountain West teams - what a joke - but Texans will watch football, no matter what it's caliber. It is all about games in the Texas market for ESPN and worshiping at the alter of the longhorns - very Texas!

The big-12 is so full of drama.........................thank goodness football is being played in the Pac-12. Can you imagine how happy Nebraska and Colorado are that they left last year? Can you imagine how mad Nebraska and Colorado would be if Texas joined their new league?

Time to move on and not give attention to these clowns...............

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When Texas announced that it was going to broadcast HS games on its new network it meant broadcasting the Big 12 games?

Cyan;563523 said:

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This doesn't actually make much sense, since the schools that would benefit most from equal revenue-sharing are the ones that would be left adrift if the Big Tex collapses--and thus are already motivated to keep the conference together.

Unless Deloss Dodds is secretly trying to make things collapse quicker while maintaining some kind of plausible deniability. Hmm...

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Or, yeah. Basically what ColoradoBear said. :P

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UT can't be seen as wanting to go anywhere outside the Big XII without Baylor: the Texas Legislature won't let them do it. There are too many Baylor alums who will protect their alma mater to allow it.

What might be allowable is that UT could allow the Big XII to implode and then find their own conference affiliation or go independent. If that were to happen, Baylor probably has to fend for itself. Hello, Conference USA.

Ultimately, though, I doubt Texas ever joins the Pac-12. It's my feeling that the Pac-12 will never be more than leverage for UT in cutting a deal somewhere else.

FiatSlug;563594 said:

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UT can't be seen as wanting to go anywhere outside the Big XII without Baylor: the Texas Legislature won't let them do it. There are too many Baylor alums who will protect their alma mater to allow it.

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What might be allowable is that UT could allow the Big XII to implode and then find their own conference affiliation or go independent. If that were to happen, Baylor probably has to fend for itself. Hello, Conference USA.

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You may be right about the Baylor thing... if the Big Ten, Pac 12 and SEC all go to 14 teams w/o taking texas, there just wont be room for baylor if UT and TT are a package for the two remaining spots. Maybe Texas wants Big Ten and hope they go to 14... and ND and UT then become the 15,16. Seems a dangerous game to play because even if you get one of these wink wink, nod nod under the table handshake deals lined up, how would the conferences have any trust UT means it given how Texas has acted. And on the other side, how does UT know a conference just wont go to 16 w/o them. Seems that the ACC/Big East will be the last to go super conference since they themselves are open for a raid. Texas getting stuck there would be fitting.

FiatSlug;563594 said:

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Ultimately, though, I doubt Texas ever joins the Pac-12. It's my feeling that the Pac-12 will never be more than leverage for UT in cutting a deal somewhere else.

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This was true last, but not this year. I think all the big players in this ridiculousness know this. Pac12 no longer needs UT. It would like UT under our pre-existing structure. Scott has made this very public and very clear.

Pac12's stance has become too transparent for UT to use it as leverage. It's like trying to play two vendors against each other for a better price except one of the vendors has told everyone what their price is and they don't need your business.

#1, UT wants to keep the B12 intact.

Oklahoma does not want to stay a distant #2 in revenue b/c of LHN and the sinking ship that is the B12 once ATM leaves (which it will, you can't put the toothpaste back no matter what Baylor wants).

If OK leaves (and OSU will follow), UT can't keep the B12 together and it can't go independent b/c the other 17 sports are f'd. It has to join the P12-14-16 at that point. It does not want to join b/c it has to, the deal will be worse. Scott will not even roll up LHN as a regional network at that point. It will just be killed.

If anything, OK has done a masterful job at turning the tables. It just became the power broker as the #2. Very nice play by Boren.

Scott's Pac12 deal really changed the landscape. People against CO and Utah joining were dead wrong. Conference championship game, $3B+ over ten years and our own P12 network (owned a 100% by the conference members) was a stroke of genius.

It made us needing UT to liking UT. Add the LHN alienating ATM and OK and the Pac12 is sitting pretty. Boom. That noise was UT's leverage going down the drain.

That #1 premise being that UT wants to keep the Big XII together.

UT has done an excellent job of driving away other principal members (namely, Texas A&M and Oklahoma) of the Big XII. In doing so, the Big XII has been de-stabilized to the point that collapse or implosion appears inevitable.

UT is playing a huge game of chicken with the Big XII and the Pac-12. All other BCS AQ conferences are mere window dressing. If UT really wants Pac-12 membership, they've got a funny way of showing it by hinting that the ACC is a possible home, and that they would entertain B1G membership as well.

You may be right, but I think the evidence suggests otherwise.

Why are we all assuming that the Texas legislature will let the Aggies go to the SEC? I thought the last time this came up, the legislature said that they didn't want the historic rivalry broken up.

You made an assertion that UT is using the P12 to leverage a better deal somewhere else. I disagree b/c the Pac 12 has made clear and public what is required of UT (or anyone else) to become part of the conference and more importantly, Scott has stated the Pac12 is fine at 12 (and I think everyone believes him at this point b/c of the ridiculously good deal).

UT still would prefer to the B12 to stay intact, but it's not using the Pac12 as leverage. There's nothing to leverage. UT can't get a better deal elsewhere b/c of the Pac12.

Scott played it well by telling everyone and being credible that:

1) we are fine at 12
2) if you want in, you have to do it within our current structure

Last year, it was different b/c Scott couldn't state either publicly and credibly.

BTW, why the name change?

SoFlaBear;563675 said:

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Why are we all assuming that the Texas legislature will let the Aggies go to the SEC? I thought the last time this came up, the legislature said that they didn't want the historic rivalry broken up.

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Believe legislature and Perry have both stated that they are staying out of it.

CrimsonBear;563648 said:

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Scott's Pac12 deal really changed the landscape. People against CO and Utah joining were dead wrong. Conference championship game, $3B+ over ten years and our own P12 network (owned a 100% by the conference members) was a stroke of genius.

It made us needing UT to liking UT. Add the LHN alienating ATM and OK and the Pac12 is sitting pretty. Boom. That noise was UT's leverage going down the drain.

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I'm with ya Crimson....I know some think UT is doing this on purpose but I just don't see it...too much at stake not only for football but what about their other sports...that is a dangerous game to play with 15 odd other sports hanging on the line. I wouldn't put anything past DeLoss Dodds but Dan Beebe really is incompetent, and I mean it.

Their LHN doesn't even have major cable companies lined up to carry them yet. I think UT tried to be too clever by half and actually find themselves in a predicament they didn't see coming. I'm now starting to believe that we might not want UT even if they wanted to come......they are almost not worth the trouble anymore.

I'm not so sure. If there is a move to super conferences with the Big Ten and SEC and ACC/Big East, the Pac-12's best options are Texas and Oklahoma. If they go elsewhere, the Pac-12 may get stuck. The super conferences' TV deals will probably make the Pac-12 deal look like peanuts.

CrimsonBear;563677 said:

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Believe legislature and Perry have both stated that they are staying out of it.

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First, thanks

Second - OK, so if Texas is staying out of it with TAMU, why will they care what Baylor does?

CrimsonBear;563676 said:

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You made an assertion that UT is using the P12 to leverage a better deal somewhere else. I disagree b/c the Pac 12 has made clear and public what is required of UT (or anyone else) to become part of the conference and more importantly, Scott has stated the Pac12 is fine at 12 (and I think everyone believes him at this point b/c of the ridiculously good deal).

UT still would prefer to the B12 to stay intact, but it's not using the Pac12 as leverage. There's nothing to leverage. UT can't get a better deal elsewhere b/c of the Pac12.

Scott played it well by telling everyone and being credible that:

1) we are fine at 12
2) if you want in, you have to do it within our current structure

Last year, it was different b/c Scott couldn't state either publicly and credibly.

BTW, why the name change?

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UT gives the appearance of a school shopping itself around to attract an offer from a conference that UT wants to join: the Pac-12. That is what I should have said initially.

But I still disagree that UT wants the Big XII to stay together. As I said before, UT has managed to drive away its best partners in the Big XII: Texas A&M and Oklahoma.

For a man who claims that UT will not go independent, DeLoss Dodds is driving the Longhorns to the brink of making precisely the opposite decision.

UT has done everything they could have to destroy the Big XII. What their actual goal is, I'm not sure of anymore. But if their goal was to destroy the Big XII, they've done a dandy job.

As for the name change, I now view screen names a little differently than I used to. I'm fine with having a divide between my internet life and my private life. Sometimes one's perspective changes as grows older, and hopefully, wiser.