Claims that West Virginia applied for admission to both ACC and SEC. And were rejected.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/9/20/2437821/sec-expansion-acc-conference-realignment-west-virginia

Not just football schools looking for seats either. That article claims that Villanova also applied to the ACC and was rejected. Lots of talk that the ACC is now looking to add Notre Dame.

Personally I think WVU eventually winds up in the SEC.

with Pitt going to the ACC, that would seem to be the logical place for WVa. Especially if ND turns them down.

Cal84;574104 said:

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Claims that West Virginia applied for admission to both ACC and SEC. And were rejected.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/9/20/2437821/sec-expansion-acc-conference-realignment-west-virginia

Not just football schools looking for seats either. That article claims that Villanova also applied to the ACC and was rejected. Lots of talk that the ACC is now looking to add Notre Dame.

Personally I think WVU eventually winds up in the SEC.

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I saw multiple articles and message boards that said the same about WVU being declined. Not sure about the other stuff...

The other rumor making the rounds is that WVU got rejected because the SEC wants Mizz as #14. Here:

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/20/3155336/source-mizzou-has-sec-offer-but.html

Depending on your point of view, this was either an exit interview by Oklahoma or the first broadside in negotiations with the Little10:

http://newsok.com/article/3605958

Basically stuff we'd expect to see - Okie demands equal revenue sharing, firing Dan Beebe, LHN brought under a hard rule set, etc.

SEC also now in full legal CYA mode as premature ejaculation has stymied their second expansion attempt.

Well, if SEC raids Big 12 for Missouri and ACC stops expanding then we'll have two BCS Conferences with 14 teams, the Pac12 and the Big Ten with 12. Then if the Big 12 is going to stay together under new reforms to keep Texas in line, they'll probably raid the Big East for Louisville or grab BYU or something to get back to 10 or maybe 12.

But if those two conferences have 14 then shouldn't we just expand now rather then wait? Though if the Oklahoma schools aren't coming I guess there isn't really any schools that are obvious candidates. Whatever the case, it looks like Big East got the crap end of this whole deal.

drunkoski;574402 said:

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i'm really not understanding why oklahoma woudl want the big-12 to continue. is this going to be an annual affair?

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I'll bet Boren is just laying out demands so tough that Texas says "no" and Okie says.."well, we tried and did the best we could"...and then they leave.. Firing Dan Beebe for his Texas humping ways and basically doing to the LHN what we would do...

BOOM BABY!

http://twitter.com/#!/ralphDrussoAP

P12 presidents to vote on expansion by end of this week.

Cal84;574413 said:

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BOOM BABY!

http://twitter.com/#!/ralphDrussoAP

P12 presidents to vote on expansion by end of this week.

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84...so what do you think?.....since the ACC is going to at least 14 and I think the SEC will follow, if we don't vote for expansion right now, does that leave us little wiggle room down the line?
Why vote on expansion if OU/OSU don't come over?

Birgeneau is probably in conference with Sandy. Wonder what her take on this whole mess is?

I sense a convergence between Okie Lite's regents meeting on Wed and the supposed P12 presidents meeting on Friday. That timeline is way too short to allow a full turn of negotiations between OU on one side and Big12/UT on the other. So I give it a high likelihood that P12 invites OU/Okie Lite and they accept.

I think that increases the leverage pushing Texass to agree to fold LHN into P16 regional. At a certain point ESPN will realize that Texass in a weak conference devalues LHN and makes suffering LHN's large burn rate unrewarding even in the long run. That could take years though. Hard to say.

Also something to consider with any Texass to ACC scenario. Texass exiting Big12 on top of OU/TAMU, etc. will inevitably lead to the voiding of the B12's TV contracts. A result of that is that all of Texass' Tier 1 & 2 media rights falls to ESPN. Initially the presumption is that this is not an issue because ESPN also owns ACC Tier 1 media rights. But here's the problem: if ESPN already owns the Texass media rights, what incentive do they have to jack up into a new higher revenue deal for the ACC? Texass may not be accretive to the ACC.

Cal84;574445 said:

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I sense a convergence between Okie Lite's regents meeting on Wed and the supposed P12 presidents meeting on Friday. That timeline is way too short to allow a full turn of negotiations between OU on one side and Big12/UT on the other. So I give it a high likelihood that P12 invites OU/Okie Lite and they accept.

I think that increases the leverage pushing Texass to agree to fold LHN into P16 regional. At a certain point ESPN will realize that Texass in a weak conference devalues LHN and makes suffering LHN's large burn rate unrewarding even in the long run. That could take years though. Hard to say.

Also something to consider with any Texass to ACC scenario. Texass exiting Big12 on top of OU/TAMU, etc. will inevitably lead to the voiding of the B12's TV contracts. A result of that is that all of Texass' Tier 1 & 2 media rights falls to ESPN. Initially the presumption is that this is not an issue because ESPN also owns ACC Tier 1 media rights. But here's the problem: if ESPN already owns the Texass media rights, what incentive do they have to jack up into a new higher revenue deal for the ACC? Texass may not be accretive to the ACC.

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Those are my thoughts as well regarding OU....there was a very long post on another board about the ACC getting fed up with Texas because they felt they were being used big time....can't vouch for the sources but it makes a lot of sense.....it is a good read if you have the time...

Scoop from Pittsburgh (VERY LONG BUT INFORMATIVE)...

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While talking to the Longhorns it became clear that Texas' priority was the LHN (big surprise there, right?) and for reasons that I don't quite understand that didn't fit into what the ACC was looking to do. However the real killer was that Texas wanted basically the same deal that ND has with the BE (or with some minimal number of guaranteed games against ACC schools) and they insisted on Texas Tech coming along as well. And to get to 16 teams that also likely meant other B12 schools.

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What the ACC began to suspect was that Texas was using them to bluff others into staying in the B12 and that the meetings on Monday were going to be to announce that they presidents had the sole authority to find the right league for their schools and that they were first going to try to make the B12 work - with the BE programs in tow.

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http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=515398

I dunno what her attitude is, but I can tell you what her attitude should be: Get the f*ck out of bed, Birgeneau! Get on the phone to Furd, Oregon and UW and get a voting alliance established. Now!

Cal84;574468 said:

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I dunno what her attitude is, but I can tell you what her attitude should be: Get the f*ck out of bed, Birgeneau! Get on the phone to Furd, Oregon and UW and get a voting alliance established. Now!

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Well looks like Missouri with one foot out the door. Board of Curators (I guess Mizz is more like a museum than a uni) schedules a meeting for Thursday....

http://ht.ly/6A2J4

Cal84;574506 said:

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Well looks like Missouri with one foot out the door. Board of Curators (I guess Mizz is more like a museum than a uni) schedules a meeting for Thursday....

http://ht.ly/6A2J4

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That is pretty ironic since Mizzou's Chancellor is the one leading the charge to keep the Big12 together.....personally I hope they go and the Big12 crumbles.. and OU/OSU casually walk over to the Pac....I'm gonna phone President Felipe Caldern and ask him if they'd kindly attack the Alamo again, just for a diversion

This whole long line of giggles we had over the past three weeks is coming to an end methinks. By Monday of next week, I think Texass is the only one school left trying to figure out what it wants to do. Not that there won't be some schools that know what they want to do but simply aren't allowed into their club of choice (i.e. WVU, UConn, Rutgers). But yeah, I think by early next week the era of conferences being the hunters comes to a close. Then we enter the phase were schools become the seekers - trying desperately to land one of the remaining chairs.

I think its kind of funny if UCONN gets left out too, they haven't been willing to support paying good coaches to stay there..and that decision is probably going to cost them. A sole focus on BBall.

MinotStateBeav;574592 said:

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I think its kind of funny if UCONN gets left out too...

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It's definitely possible. From an economic standpoint Rutgers > UConn. Which leaves UConn 4th on the ACC's add list after ND, Texass & Rutgers with only two chairs to fill.

what happens with Villanova and the Big East basketball only schools (I think) is the next big and interesting piece of the puzzle. I am highly skeptical that Villanova did any applying to the ACC, and I'm not altogether sure what Villanova will do about football; the local Philly paper would get some insight through sources on anything Nova does, and its been fairly quiet...

Cal84;574609 said:

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It's definitely possible. From an economic standpoint Rutgers > UConn. Which leaves UConn 4th on the ACC's add list after ND, Texass & Rutgers with only two chairs to fill.

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ACC may be the real loser here. They add two run of the mill programs to an already bloated conference diminishing the revenue per school. I don't know that either of those schools adds that much when it's time to renegotiate their tv deal.