freshfunk;583071 said:

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I hate to have to qualify everything I say but this last point is as I meant it. Of course I don't speak for all media and the entire college football crowd. I was speaking personally and for the percentage of rabid fans that happen to agree with me.

It's just sad. Canard thinks he's being smart or witty but really he just looks like a pathetic, small person. Of course hrs not the sole the representative of Oregon football but you come across enough Canard's in the boards (espn included) and you can't help questioning the fan base as a whole.

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If you go over to the Convo on our game at ESPN right now it shows how pathetic they are. I do not believe that most of the posters went to college, let alone UO.

ppilot;583041 said:

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What are you talking about? We're only discussing the 4th quarter, not the entire game... Your last two paragraphs scream of that game being a moral victory and Cal fans are better than that.

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You're missing my point, which is the same point that started the discussion of the 4th quarter (itself a subset of the larger discussion about the whole game).

The point is simply this: the vaunted Oregon offense got cold-cocked in Berkeley last year, no one saw it coming, and virtually everyone I heard from afterward (whether fans of either school or otherwise) recognized this, said so, and moved on. A percentage of duck fans seem unable to see this, and this shows when some like Canard get all chippy at hearing that Cal "solved" Oregon's O.

I'm still waiting to hear from the likes of BB, Canard, and ppilot what I heard from numerous duck fans personally after the game: "wow, didn't see that one coming. Great job Bears, Cal's D played lights out unlike anyone has been able to against us. Glad we got that win anyway and are heading toward the natty. I bet Cal doesn't stop us like that again in 2011" which the Bears likely won't. Instead what I'm hearing is "yeah, but we won the 4th quarter!" Really? You won the game, yet you're starting to sound like the one searching for moral victories.

93BearInOregon;583003 said:

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Had too quote this just for the irony factor alone. :p

(yes, yes, I realize that this isn't technically a contradiction. It just looks awesome though!)

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I must say, by design. Was sort of waiting for someone to notice. Thanks...

I see this thread has gotten somewhat lively.

Ok, gimmicky...

In addition to what I said before (the BS hurry-up), I also find the Duck O to be gimmicky in that it's not an offense that exists at the next level. Until it becomes the mainstay of an NFL offense, the rage, excelling against the best athletes and coaching staffs, it's a gimmick in my book. Maybe someday it will take root in the NFL and all teams will incorporate it? I don't think so. If it were felt to be productive, it would be run on Sundays...

As an offensive player with professional aspirations, I'd want to perfect my game within a system that is not all that different from what is played at the next level. I'm guessing NFL scouts factor-in the systems these kids play in, the coaching received, the playbooks adsorbed, etc...

Let's not forget that the last 9 mins was basically a game of keep away. Each play they went no huddle but then ran down the whole play clock at the line. That's not exactly a you-couldn't-stop-our-drive or a we-gave-you-mercy-by-not-scoring. It's not something I would consider "genius" either. I see it as a lack of confidence in one's team and a willingness to play cheap.

So the possession count is even more of a worthless stat.

93BearInOregon;583019 said:

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There's your stat right there. Cal couldn't get the ball back, so of course other 4th Q stats like yardage are all Oregon. But really, it's the final drive that won the game. So let's look at that drive

Going off the PBP Canard posted, Oregon netted 68 yards in a 8+ minutes of clock in 19 plays (ignoring the 2 knees at the end) and zero points. That hardly qualifies as a dominating offensive series, though I readily acknowledge the TOP stat is impressive. That's what you should be proud of your team for doing: holding onto the ball to make a tenuous 2-point lead a win. But that's gutting out a tough road win, not dominating.

What some of you duck fans miss, and everyone else seemed to recognize (including media analysts, not just Cal fans) is that the vaunted Oregon offense got cold-cocked in Strawberry Canyon last year. No one saw that coming. Shouting "we won the 4th quarter!" and claiming that the drive listed above equals dominance just makes you look silly.

A better response would be "wow, didn't see THAT one coming. Great game by the Bear defense, glad our boys pulled out the W despite a much tougher test than I expected. Onward we march." I have yet to hear anything like that from even reasonable duck fans.

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freshfunk;583104 said:

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Let's not forget that the last 9 mins was basically a game of keep away. Each play they went no huddle but then ran down the whole play clock at the line. That's not exactly a you-couldn't-stop-our-drive or a we-gave-you-mercy-by-not-scoring. It's not something I would consider "genius" either. I see it as a lack of confidence in one's team and a willingness to play cheap.

So the possession count is even more of a worthless stat.

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Time of possession is not all that valuable, in my opinion. And this is especially so with the Ducks. If I recall correctly, they were 115 of 120 of FBS teams in TOP for 2010. I'm guessing that they were in terrible company down there, yet one of the best teams in college football.

freshfunk;582844 said:

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I don't care if it's Cal's board, Oregon's board or ESPN. Can Oregon fans stop whining over a couple flops?

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pretty sure I brought it up in this thread. It was done in response to a Cal fan claiming the Ducks are cheaters. I brought it up because hypocrisy is funny. Sorry.

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The Tuinei pick being intentional is debatable (at best). But at least that's worth debating considering the real, physical injuries it cost (for both players).

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it was certainly an unfortunate result as I don't like seeing opposing players injured let alone Ducks.

dupdadee;582815 said:

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sounds like diego has no clue what an illegal pick play is....

could be a bandwagon, blind-homer quackster.....

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nope. I went to my first Duck game the tail end of the lean times in the mid 80's (89 grad) when Chris Miller was the QB. I live in the Bay Area and have been contributing to your University every other year for almost two decades. I attended last year's contest in Memorial and will be up in Eugene on the 6th.

thanks for the warm welcome :p

93BearInOregon;583019 said:

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A better response would be "wow, didn't see THAT one coming. Great game by the Bear defense, glad our boys pulled out the W despite a much tougher test than I expected. Onward we march." I have yet to hear anything like that from even reasonable duck fans.

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I have no issue saying that as its pretty much exactly what I said to the Cal and Duck fans seated around me. While sloppy, it was a great contest and a fun evening. Cal played great D while Brock was completely ineffective. The injury faking and Duck fans booing that behavior detracted from the event (for me). But it was a great game and effort from both sides. I was most entertained

The one qualifier I'd add on is that LaMichael did get injured that game. The Ducks don't detail their injuries to the press, but the word was a twisted ankle in the first half. He played through it so how serious it was is only speculation but for post-game interviews he was on crutches. There was a lot of banter among the fanbase that he looked hampered the rest of the season. That doesn't detract from Cal playing stout/solid D or their effort, but LMJ is Oregon's best player

He looks to be feeling his oats again

freshfunk;583104 said:

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Let's not forget that the last 9 mins was basically a game of keep away. Each play they went no huddle but then ran down the whole play clock at the line. That's not exactly a you-couldn't-stop-our-drive or a we-gave-you-mercy-by-not-scoring. It's not something I would consider "genius" either.

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it didn't take a genius to play it smart. Oregon ran the ball and the clock in the 4th risking whether their D could handle Brock and the Cal attack as they had all day. While the contest could have gone another way, CK played the percentages.

diego;583117 said:

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I have no issue saying that as its pretty much exactly what I said to the Cal and Duck fans seated around me. While sloppy, it was a great contest and a fun evening. Cal played great D while Brock was completely ineffective. The injury faking and Duck fans booing that behavior detracted from the event (for me). But it was a great game and effort from both sides. I was most entertained

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Then sir, I salute you. :beer:

The Cal D was lights-out, Brock Mansion was totally in over his head, and the game was far closer and more entertaining than I had expected. No one knew it at the time, but looking back the best thing that happened to Oregon was the Beavers blowing out Kevin Riley's knee. Riles doesn't guarantee a Cal win, but the odds move from "no way" to "very well could happen" with him in. It was a crushing loss for us to have come so close, and to feel that if our offense had been even mediocre we might have knocked the #1 team off at home with that defensive performance. But the heart-crushing aside, that was one of the more entertaining football games I've ever attended.