Bigger cheat: 1) faking injuries to slow down the tempo of an opposing offense or 2) turning off the stadium lights for a couple hours when you're down to give your team time to recoup and analyze the opposing team's strategy.

Bigger cheat?

faking injuries, but if either gets us a 'W' on thurs I wanna see it.

Usc

I can see clearly now that it's turning out the lights.

The dead horse has probably been beaten enough here, but I don't understand why the other is considered cheating. If it's a penalty, the refs should call it. If not, it's gamesmanship. Why do teams work so hard to conceal signals to combat "cheaters?"

I was there. It really resulted in a change in momentum. Without the light trick, Oregon would not have won.

OsodePlata;585582 said:

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I was there. It really resulted in a change in momentum. Without the light trick, Oregon would not have won.

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Totally agree. Oregon was on their heels and needed to do something to stop the Bears' momentum. It was blatant cheating.

TheBears;585570 said:

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I can see clearly now that it's turning out the lights.

The dead horse has probably been beaten enough here, but I don't understand why the other is considered cheating. If it's a penalty, the refs should call it. If not, it's gamesmanship. Why do teams work so hard to conceal signals to combat "cheaters?"

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I realize I'm in the minority on this board on the question of whether it was okay for Cal to fake injuries, but I can't understand how anyone could not understand why it's considered cheating. It's against the rules, and Cal did it intentionally. Isnt an intentional violation of the rules the very definition of cheating?

And the fact that it wasn't called by the refs doesn't change that, IMO. If anything, it makes it worse because it distinguishes it from something like deliberately taking a delay of game penalty.

I agree that Oregon fans are in no position to lecture anyone on issues of ethics, but you'll forgive me if I don't view "we don't cheat as badly as Oregon" as a very compelling justification for what happened last year.

We're Cal and we're better than that....at least we should try to be.

86Oski;585587 said:

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I realize I'm in the minority on this board on the question of whether it was okay for Cal to fake injuries, but I can't understand how anyone could not understand why it's considered cheating. It's against the rules, and Cal did it intentionally. Isnt an intentional violation of the rules the very definition of cheating?

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Therefore:

1. I'm unaware of the rule.

2. If it's a violation, that's why we have referees. Why didn't they call anything? Is intentional grounding "cheating?"

I like playing basketball when you call your own fouls, and people err on the side of calling it on themselves. That's not going to happen here, though. Ergo, you need referees.

Granted, asking Pac-12 refs to call games effectively is a bit much. I feel like they've been horrible for decades, but the conference is in its inaugural season.

Well, let's all hope Coach Tedford has finally learned how to cheat so we will see an upset tomorrow. I don't know though Coach Tedford is pretty pretty honest.

Oregon turning off the lights reminds me of when I was five years old and playing checkers with my friend who would knock over the board right before I won.

TheBears;585594 said:

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Therefore:

1. I'm unaware of the rule.

2. If it's a violation, that's why we have referees. Why didn't they call anything? Is intentional grounding "cheating?"

I like playing basketball when you call your own fouls, and people err on the side of calling it on themselves. That's not going to happen here, though. Ergo, you need referees.

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This has been beaten to death here, but there are indeed rules against gaming the clock; because they're of the 'unsportsmanlike behavior' variety, some people will say they're cheating if the refs don't call them. (Like if you were in a pickup game and never called a foul on yourself and argued every call against you; eventually people would take issue.)

How about Oregon teaching their WRs to take cheap shots while setting illegal picks a la Tuinei last year against Anthony??

Great comparison.

You guys don't get it.....oregon has got big money tied up in its football program....they have to win at all costs.....tommorrow is not just another college football game....Cal is doomed before and from the start.......

SadbutTrue999;585560 said:

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faking injuries, but if either gets us a 'W' on thurs I wanna see it.

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Back in the day, I never tried "faking an injury", but I did get my share of wins when I turned out the lights. :p