NegaBears = "Centered" fans per Ted Miller

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hanky1
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What you sunshine pumpers call "NegaBears", outside observers such as Ted Miller calls centered college football fans.

PS - Which one of you wrote those notes to Miller? I know both of you are on this board.

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/28552/opening-the-mailbag-doubts-about-luck

David from Sacramento writes: There's no question that CAL hasn't been the same since the 2007 Oregon St. Kevin Riley scramble. Anywho, This is the way i look at cal. They haven't gone to the Rose Bowl since the 50's and obviously haven't been much of a factor in the conference in the last 50 years. Are they cursed like the Red Sox were? I mean, was Kevin Rileys scramble in 2007 the Bill Buckner of 1986 ????? And is watching SC win titles and Rose Bowls like watching the Yankees as a Red Sox fan? What is it? "The Curse of the great Pappy Waldorf" or how bout "The curse of the great Nate Longshore getting hurt so Kevin Riley scrambled" or maybe "The curse of the Great Mack Brown" Please come up with something witty to describe this torture of being California Golden Bear supporter.

Jerris from Queens, NY, writes: The Bears should roll over UCLA, which is awful on defense? After reading that as an Old Blue, I completely expect Cal to be shut out by a shockingly adept and inspired UCLA defense. That's just how it works.

Ted Miller: I have no biases among Pac-12 teams. But I do love Cal fans.

They send me notes like these. Per capita, they send the fewest, "You're a &%$ idiot" notes and the most 2,000-word essays. I love the earnestness. And humor.
If the ultimate Cal fan were played in a movie, Adam Goldberg would get the part: [U]Smart, hopeful, neurotic but in the end mostly centered.[/U] (And before Cal fans take offense he dated Christina Ricci. 'Nuff said, eh?).

David, give me some time to think about it. Cal fans deserve the effort.
KoreAmBear
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Hey, well, self-loathing has a redeeming quality on Ted Miller's blog.
BearEatsTacos
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So, according to you, Negabear = Old Blue = Cal fan = Adam Goldberg = Ted Miller's interpretation of Adam Goldberg = "smart, hopeful, neurotic, but in the end mostly centered" = centered

By your logic I guess Barack Obama would then be a socialist Muslim terrorist anarchist fascist Nazi? Or maybe just Hitler.

This did give me a good laugh, though.
Bearacious
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A slight distinction:

Negabears are not the same thing as fans who expect Doom because UCLA looks terrible.

The latter are just Old Blues, and some of them are in their 20s.
KevBear
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Yeah, hanky1, I don't really know how you got "negabears=centered" from that passage.
tommie317
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These aren't true negabears. Negabears usually go off after games not before them. We have realistic expectations for the game followed by anger and desperation if the game does not meet expectations.
mbBear
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Yes, a Negabears' statement blames it on Tedford somewhere...
If you are looking for a Cal "curse," the Riley scramble seems a bit too recent for my taste...for me, its '75, and being forced to root for SC to win against UCLA, that was like a Sophie's Choice kind of deal...
TorBear
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mbBear;606577 said:

Yes, a Negabears' statement blames it on Tedford somewhere...
If you are looking for a Cal "curse," the Riley scramble seems a bit too recent for my taste...for me, its '75, and being forced to root for SC to win against UCLA, that was like a Sophie's Choice kind of deal...


I don't know about Sophie's Choice. More like Great Britain finding itself allied with the Soviet Union after Nazi Germany invaded the USSR.
mbBear
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much better analogy,thanks...
TheFiatLux
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That fact that you could somehow construe that as a "negabear" portrayal is all you need to know about you.

There is only one take from this column. Ted Miller loves CAL fans.

Oh a second take. You're not very good at cogent analysis.
run2win
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All we had to do that year was beat UCLA. Oh wait we fumbled like 6 times that game.
bearingup
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IIRC chuck muncie had a bunch of those fumbles on a wet rainy day. Then we had to wait a week for the SC-UCLA game to see if we went to the Rose Bowl. Then we didn't, and all the other bowls had filled up, so we stayed home as Pac 8 co-champs and the top offense in the country.

With a legacy like that, one learns that Cal plays under a cloud.
tbischel
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xultaif;606589 said:

Oh a second take. You're not very good at cogent analysis.


Haha, couldn't help but think that your second take might be a better definition of a negabear :p
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CalReason;606629 said:

has plateaued and are



one Bear's "Calreason" pinnacle is another drunks oskified plateau











:Monty
tequila4kapp
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This is not saying Negabears = centered, this says regular Cal fans are centered. Nice try though. Now go write a 2K word essay on why you were right...
BearsLair72
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"NegaBears and Sunshine Pumpers?" Didn't we all go to the greatest public school in the world? Is that the best moniker any of you can come up with? Don't we have some writers around with a spark of creativity? Those names just sound like something someone from FresnNose State would come up with!

Seriously, folks...I prefer to always think of myself and being a Cal fan as someone who, "Hopes for the best, but ALWAYS fears the worst!" Unfortunately for the last 4-5 years, while not the worst, like Holmoe, it is pretty close in terms of frustration.

As far as the comparison to the Red Sox, I think we are more like Cubs fans if you really consider that we haven't been to a Rose Bowl in 50 years, BUT we haven't won one since 1938...that has got to be right up there with any team's futility...heck, the miserable Rangers have only gone, what 50 years? I could do that in a heart beat!

:rollinglaugh:
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KoreAmBear;606554 said:

Hey, well, self-loathing has a redeeming quality on Ted Miller's blog.



Don't worry; be happy!
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hanky1;606553 said:

What you sunshine pumpers call "NegaBears", outside observers such as Ted Miller calls centered college football fans.

PS - Which one of you wrote those notes to Miller? I know both of you are on this board.

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/28552/opening-the-mailbag-doubts-about-luck

David from Sacramento writes: There's no question that CAL hasn't been the same since the 2007 Oregon St. Kevin Riley scramble. Anywho, This is the way i look at cal. They haven't gone to the Rose Bowl since the 50's and obviously haven't been much of a factor in the conference in the last 50 years. Are they cursed like the Red Sox were? I mean, was Kevin Rileys scramble in 2007 the Bill Buckner of 1986 ????? And is watching SC win titles and Rose Bowls like watching the Yankees as a Red Sox fan? What is it? "The Curse of the great Pappy Waldorf" or how bout "The curse of the great Nate Longshore getting hurt so Kevin Riley scrambled" or maybe "The curse of the Great Mack Brown" Please come up with something witty to describe this torture of being California Golden Bear supporter.

Jerris from Queens, NY, writes: The Bears should roll over UCLA, which is awful on defense? After reading that as an Old Blue, I completely expect Cal to be shut out by a shockingly adept and inspired UCLA defense. That's just how it works.

Ted Miller: I have no biases among Pac-12 teams. But I do love Cal fans.

They send me notes like these. Per capita, they send the fewest, "You're a &%$ idiot" notes and the most 2,000-word essays. I love the earnestness. And humor.
If the ultimate Cal fan were played in a movie, Adam Goldberg would get the part: [U]Smart, hopeful, neurotic but in the end mostly centered.[/U] (And before Cal fans take offense he dated Christina Ricci. 'Nuff said, eh?).

David, give me some time to think about it. Cal fans deserve the effort.



It takes a warped sense of reality to read what he said and make the conclusion you made.
tommie317
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FingeroftheBear;606671 said:

There's a difference between a Nega-Bear and centered Cal fan Miller mentions. For one, a true Nega-Bear would send "you're a &%$ idiot" notes and then come on here and rant "FIRE TEDFORD". You know, overreact vs. being centered.

Frankly I don't think most other Cal fans would disagree on big points but the average centered Cal fan doesn't necessarily like the overreaction like the "FIRE TEDFORD BECAUSE SANDY BARBOUR AND THE ATO MESSED UP THE TICKETS AT ATT!!!" (The centered fan would agree there was a mess up but not about the overreaction.)


Right cuz of the only things wrong with cal football and Tedford is the ato messed up the tickets? That is some Red Giant pumping denial there. Pumpers don't get negabears. We use logic and analysis and understanding Cause and effect.
OneKeg
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FingeroftheBear;606713 said:

Things are obviously not firing on all cylinders for Cal football. We could rehash the reason why, mention context and all that nice stuff. Or we could simply yell, "FIRE TEDFORD!!!", over and over again.

Again, it's not that there aren't problems (there are) but many people don't appreciate the over-reaction, psychosis-neurosis hand wringing and tourettes syndrome outburts over stuff. It's a game for petesake. So...

FIRE THE SUNSHINE PUMPERS THEY'RE KILLING MY ANGRY BUZZ!!!

If you look closely, you'll see that not all negabears behave or even think the way you're describing, or lack all reason as another poster alleged, though admittedly a few of the most vociferous do.

And yes I agree that Miller was just describing long term Cal fans, not negabears specifically.
WillNotDie
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NegaBears aren't fans of anything but themselves. They are so insecure that they need to identify with a winning program in order to fell good about themselves. Win at all costs becomes their mantra. In their minds, if their school isn't winning then heads gotta role because if their school is a loser then they are losers too. The truth stings doesn't it. Being a fan is like being a dad. Do you boo your son or belittle him in front of others if he doesn't perform well? Or are you a FAN of your son/daughter and support them and encourage them every step of the way? NegaBears aren't fans, they are glass half empty cry babies. If you can't see what is happening at Cal or if you hate JT then pull your support and cheer for the Furd (they are winning). Just spare us true fans your whining and griping. That's what UCLA "fans" are for.
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WillNotDie;606722 said:

NegaBears aren't fans of anything but themselves. They are so insecure that they need to identify with a winning program in order to fell good about themselves. Win at all costs becomes their mantra. In their minds, if their school isn't winning then heads gotta role because if their school is a loser then they are losers too. The truth stings doesn't it. Being a fan is like being a dad. Do you boo your son or belittle him in front of others if he doesn't perform well? Or are you a FAN of your son/daughter and support them and encourage them every step of the way? NegaBears aren't fans, they are glass half empty cry babies. If you can't see what is happening at Cal or if you hate JT then pull your support and cheer for the Furd (they are winning). Just spare us true fans your whining and griping. That's what UCLA "fans" are for.


I boo this message
FremontBear
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WillNotDie;606722 said:

NegaBears aren't fans of anything but themselves. They are so insecure that they need to identify with a winning program in order to fell good about themselves. Win at all costs becomes their mantra. In their minds, if their school isn't winning then heads gotta role because if their school is a loser then they are losers too. The truth stings doesn't it. Being a fan is like being a dad. Do you boo your son or belittle him in front of others if he doesn't perform well? Or are you a FAN of your son/daughter and support them and encourage them every step of the way? NegaBears aren't fans, they are glass half empty cry babies. If you can't see what is happening at Cal or if you hate JT then pull your support and cheer for the Furd (they are winning). Just spare us true fans your whining and griping. That's what UCLA "fans" are for.


You lost me the minute you went on personal attacks. Try again, as it seems like you actually might have some nice points to make, but cut the ad hominem stuff, kiddo.
CrimsonBear
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hanky,

wrong takeaway, but thanks for the info. i am now a fan of ted miller's blog. as a sf giants and cal fan, i actually felt a bit for the rangers fans. but, i remembered they're from texas. then i smiled.

80% of this board is pretty centered. the negabear/sunshine pumper monikers are so tea party. amusing at first, but tired now.
tommie317
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WillNotDie;606722 said:

NegaBears aren't fans of anything but themselves. They are so insecure that they need to identify with a winning program in order to fell good about themselves. Win at all costs becomes their mantra. In their minds, if their school isn't winning then heads gotta role because if their school is a loser then they are losers too. The truth stings doesn't it. Being a fan is like being a dad. Do you boo your son or belittle him in front of others if he doesn't perform well? Or are you a FAN of your son/daughter and support them and encourage them every step of the way? NegaBears aren't fans, they are glass half empty cry babies. If you can't see what is happening at Cal or if you hate JT then pull your support and cheer for the Furd (they are winning). Just spare us true fans your whining and griping. That's what UCLA "fans" are for.


Perfect example of why negabears think some sunshine pumpers are illogical, irrational, self-righteous and ignorant with a sense of I'm better and more mature and mentally balanced than you attitude.
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bearingup;606614 said:

IIRC chuck muncie had a bunch of those fumbles on a wet rainy day. Then we had to wait a week for the SC-UCLA game to see if we went to the Rose Bowl. Then we didn't, and all the other bowls had filled up, so we stayed home as Pac 8 co-champs and the top offense in the country.

With a legacy like that, one learns that Cal plays under a cloud.


I went to the CAL-UCLA game that year and it did not rain. Rivera fumbled a punt - I think his only one that year. But I believe UCLA did not score off of that fumble. We lost 28-14, although as I recall Muncie played well - he may have had one fumble.

The fumbles were in the SC-UCLA game. UCLA kept fumbling but the SC quarterback missed something like 10 passes in a row.
hanky1
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FingeroftheBear;606671 said:

There's a difference between a Nega-Bear and centered Cal fan Miller mentions. For one, a true Nega-Bear would send "you're a &%$ idiot" notes and then come on here and rant "FIRE TEDFORD". You know, overreact vs. being centered.

Frankly I don't think most other Cal fans would disagree on big points but the average centered Cal fan doesn't necessarily like the overreaction like the "FIRE TEDFORD BECAUSE SANDY BARBOUR AND THE ATO MESSED UP THE TICKETS AT ATT!!!" (The centered fan would agree there was a mess up but not about the overreaction.)


On the contrary, I've always felt as though the Sunshine Pumpers are the ones who would send the "you're a #$@$ idiot" messages. Anyone critical of the program gets that love note.
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