After coming back last nite from AT &T, I watched DVR replay of Furd/Ducks game. The Furds were slipping all over the wet field. Even the announcers noted that. Then this am's Merc-News showed the bottom cleats of an Ducks and a Furd player from an action shot. There seemed to be twice as many spikes at the bottom of the Duck's Nike cleats? Cal should take note since it may rain later this week ??

<blockquote><div class="name-said">gobears74;623723 said:</div><hr>After coming back last nite from AT &T, I watched DVR replay of Furd/Ducks game. The Furds were slipping all over the wet field. Even the announcers noted that. Then this am's Merc-News showed the bottom cleats of an Ducks and a Furd player from an action shot. There seemed to be twice as many spikes at the bottom of the Duck's Nike cleats? Cal should take note since it may rain later this week ??<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Well, Ducks do have webbed feet after all. Unfair advantage?

Somebody who has access to our cloistered head coach should make sure that he contacts his old Oregon/Nike buddies (if any left) to see if we can get a shipment of those cleats before the 'furds.<br /><br />Moraga?

Shame that Oregon knew more about stanfurds own field better than the furd did.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">vmfa531;623741 said:</div><hr>Shame that Oregon knew more about stanfurds own field better than the furd did.<hr></blockquote>I can guarantee you that Orygun was just better prepared with multiple cleat options. What, you think Furd wouldn't change cleats when their players were slipping and sliding all over the field?

So schools don't have the latitude to choose which shoes are best<br />for their team? Everybody has to go through NIKE and NIKE only supplies<br />Oregon with their complete line of shoes?<br />And Phil Knight is able to keep other shoes manufacturers from putting <br />additional spikes on the cleats?<br />If this is true. It is not only an NCAA violation. It is a violation of law.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">heartofthebear;623750 said:</div><hr>So schools don't have the latitude to choose which shoes are best<br />for their team? Everybody has to go through NIKE and NIKE only supplies<br />Oregon with their complete line of shoes?<br />And Phil Knight is able to keep other shoes manufacturers from putting <br />additional spikes on the cleats?<br />If this is true. It is not only an NCAA violation. It is a violation of law.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Didn't Knight donate $100 million to the Stanford School of Business?

Lol at Stanford getting blown up by their own sloppy field

<blockquote><div class="name-said">calumnus;623756 said:</div><hr>Didn't Knight donate $100 million to the Stanford School of Business?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I guess landscaping and foot apparel isn't high on the list of businesses.

I hope you don't mean to tell me that Stanfurd at home can't afford or equip their players with adequate cleats? <br /><br />It rained for maybe one day last week and it was on the furd's own field. How could they not have been prepared for that? Perhaps the furd does not practice or play in the rain much while Oregon does.<br /><br />And also it should be noted, that the announcers commented upon furd's slip and slide and said that is usually for the away team "which travels with far less equipment and has far less resources than the home team." <br /><br />Ha ha, furd's field crew and equipment staff lost them the game. :rollinglaugh:

I wouldn't be surprised if they were contractually obligated to use equipment provided to them due to sponsorship issues. <br /><br />Also wouldn't be surprised if Oregon had better cleats provided to them.

wow another conspiracy<br /><br />to be fair to Stanford, I know I know, athletic smaller lighter RBs and WRs have a better chance of maintaining balance on a slick surface then the bruisers they feature. I thought the slick conditions really favored the Ducks

<blockquote><div class="name-said">diego;623891 said:</div><hr>wow another conspiracy<br /><br />to be fair to Stanford, I know I know, athletic smaller lighter RBs and WRs have a better chance of maintaining balance on a slick surface then the bruisers they feature. I thought the slick conditions really favored the Ducks<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Is that true? Do you have evidence of that or are you just guessing? I still think it was the shoes, but I don't know if 'furd had access to the correct ones and just failed to use them or didn't have them at all.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">diego;623891 said:</div><hr>wow another conspiracy<br /><br />to be fair to Stanford, I know I know, <b>athletic smaller lighter RBs and WRs have a better chance of maintaining balance on a slick surface</b> then the bruisers they feature. I thought the slick conditions really favored the Ducks<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Then I hope it absolutely pours next weekend! Isi will have a career high day! He'll be the only one standing!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">FingeroftheBear;623952 said:</div><hr>When Brent Mushhead and Herbie were talking about the cleats and turf I kept thinking to myself, "<b>So Furd can afford a fast track private donor stadium renovation...but not cleats and it's their field? Winning</b>!" Seriously if you didn't figure it out at half time, something is wrong. <br /><br />Reminds of as a kid reading about the famous Ice Bowls with the Packers and them putting on sneakers. A good coach prepares his players and staff for field conditions, including talking to your equipment guy. I doubt Nike had anything to do with this but if they did, you have to be an idiot to just take what they give you (if that's the case) and not figure it out yourself.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />News is that they should be able to afford them next year since this is their first year actually selling out on most of their games. :rollinglaugh:

looked at the pics as well...oregon wore molded cleats while stanford wore detachable cleats. molded usually are for momentum turf fields and have shorter but more "cleats", while detachables have longer but much fewer for natural grass. i've had both before, and the problem wearing the detachable is that when they get mud clung into the spikes, there is absolutely no traction whatsoever. very easy to slip up if you dont clean them off often. <br /><br />Brent and Kirk said only 2 stanford players changed to longer spikes, so it was the coach's and staff's call not to have them change spikes during halftime to adjust. <br /><br />other than that, oregon just had the regular alpha talons and vapor carbon shoes that all other Nike schools wear. I have the vapors, myself, and they cut like crazy!:p

<blockquote><div class="name-said">calbear75;623995 said:</div><hr> I have the vapors, myself, and they cut like crazy!:p<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I'm sure the shoes cut like crazy, but do you? :p

<blockquote><div class="name-said">calbear75;623995 said:</div><hr>looked at the pics as well...oregon wore molded cleats while stanford wore detachable cleats. molded usually are for momentum turf fields and have shorter but more "cleats", while detachables have longer but much fewer for natural grass. i've had both before, and the problem wearing the detachable is that when they get mud clung into the spikes, there is absolutely no traction whatsoever. very easy to slip up if you dont clean them off often. <br /><br />Brent and Kirk said only 2 stanford players changed to longer spikes, so it was the coach's and staff's call not to have them change spikes during halftime to adjust. <br /><br />other than that, oregon just had the regular alpha talons and vapor carbon shoes that all other Nike schools wear. I have the vapors, myself, and they cut like crazy!:p<hr></blockquote><br /><br />The old football shoes with replaceable cleats mounted the cleats with a screw post into the sole of the shoe. Replacing the cleats meant unscrewing each cleat and screwing in a new cleat. Unless you have a large manager and equipment staff, you can't do the entire team in a half time break. Now if you have plenty of equipment money you can just buy and transport several different shoes for each player so that switching shoes is easy. Back when I was a manager, each player only had one set of game shoes; so we had to change cleats one at a time. Big budget opponents back then brought more equipment with them than Cal had for home games.<br /><br />If the new detachable cleats change quicker than the old shoes maybe you could do a cleat change at halftime. The "old" wisdom was that longer cleats contributed to knee injuries; it had to be really muddy before they were used.