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those were two pretty good articles, thanks for posting.<br /> Yes, they want the highest ratings possible for Monday. Did someone in a power position go to these two guys and give them direction as to the content in the hope that it would somehow help ratings, no.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;666773 said:</div><hr>considering they have a very limited contract with the sec i'm not sure what incentive they'd have to bump up the sec in spite of conferences that have a bigger footprint on their networks. their bowl record speaks for itself as does ours (6-12 the past 2 years). No doubt in my mind that oregon/usc/stanford would get steamrolled by lsu or alabama.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I know that they have the vested interest in the SEC's success, but as you mention, I do question why they are seemingly bumping them up beyond other conferences to the point where they are alienating themselves. <br /><br />I get it, they win the NC games. But just like the second article does, they dont need to insult me about it because im a fan of a different conference.<br /><br />But drunk, I dont think Alabama has proved it would steamroll anyone, whereas LSU has.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">mbBear;666783 said:</div><hr>those were two pretty good articles, thanks for posting.<br /> Yes, they want the highest ratings possible for Monday. Did someone in a power position go to these two guys and give them direction as to the content in the hope that it would somehow help ratings, no.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I would think that the someone in the "power position" would be the college football fans and the direction that we want is un-biased coverage, not spit in my face your conference sucks articles.

Are you looking at the rankings at the time they played? because they only have 1 win over a ranked team as of now.

they are columnists, they aren't writing previews about the game. Were there specific facts, or alleged facts that you had a problem with?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;666793 said:</div><hr>how many teams have more than 1 win over ranked teams? arkansas, auburn, msu, vandy, and penn state were all bowl teams.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />They beat some good teams, but does not mean they would automatically steamroll anyone they play, especially SC/Stanford/Oregon. The later played a much better game against LSU, at LSU basically than anyone else. Might have won minus five turnovers.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;666793 said:</div><hr>how many teams have more than 1 win over ranked teams? arkansas, auburn, msu, vandy, and penn state were all bowl teams.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Yeah Im not disagreeing with you that they aren't a good team as they have beaten alot of bowl eligible teams. But I dont think that any of those wins are quality enough to grant them with the "unbeatable" tag they have now. In contrary, LSU and Oklahoma State have numerous wins over not just ranked teams, but top 10 teams.

they played LSU at home

Alabama is a good team. But having "no doubt" that Oregon/Stanford/USC would "get steamrolled" by Alabama is rediculous. In my opinion, your statement means you have bought into the ESPN/SEC hype machine. I think Oregon/Stanford/USC could compete well with anyone in the country.

right, Oregon did so well against LSU, pretty easy to say they would do fine against Alabama (insert eye roll).<br /> I will side with you with some doubt on the SC front, but Furd isn't beating this year's Alabama team, no way, no how...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">mbBear;666808 said:</div><hr>they are columnists, they aren't writing previews about the game. Were there specific facts, or alleged facts that you had a problem with?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Facts? Im not sure what you are trying to get at there, but they are representing their opinions as facts which is why I have a problem with these articles. They are both previews because they are located as part of the main BCS NC game header.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;666793 said:</div><hr>how many teams have more than 1 win over ranked teams? arkansas, auburn, msu, vandy, and penn state were all bowl teams.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Lots. Just look at the Pac-12. <br /><br />Oregon. 2 wins over ranked teams (at the time Oregon played them)<br />Stanford. 2 wins over ranked teams (at the time Stanford played them)<br />USC. 1 win over ranked teams (at the time USC played them)<br /><br />In USC's case, for example, Utah, Cal, Notre Dame, Washington, Oregon, and UCLA were all bowl teams that they beat while ASU and Stanford were bowl teams that they lost to.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">mbBear;666838 said:</div><hr>right, Oregon did so well against LSU, pretty easy to say they would do fine against Alabama (insert eye roll).<br /> I will side with you with some doubt on the SC front, but Furd isn't beating this year's Alabama team, no way, no how...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Once again, transitive property fail. It doesnt work with College Football.

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<blockquote><div class="name-said">mbBear;666838 said:</div><hr>right, Oregon did so well against LSU, pretty easy to say they would do fine against Alabama (insert eye roll).<br /> I will side with you with some doubt on the SC front, but Furd isn't beating this year's Alabama team, no way, no how...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Not sure about that....I thought Okie St would steam roll the Furd after watching both this year and they played even..and Oregon was missing their 2 RB's with Thomas playing his first game with 2 fumbles against LSU.....I'm not so sure that Oregon doesn't beat LSU if they played in Eugene....USC was twice the team they were early on or when they played us.....I'm not convinced any one of those 3 teams couldn't give Bama or LSU at least a game of it....

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;666859 said:</div><hr>well by that theory bama had 3 wins over teams since they were ranked when they played them.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />wished he wouldnt of used "at the time" because then it makes things look so ridiculous.<br /><br />Im sure we can all agree that Florida isnt a top 10 team now lol

Again, not denying that Alabama is a good team. I just disagree that they would "steamroll" Oregon, USC, and Stanford. (Well, maybe Stanford, but that's because f@ck Stanford.)

i totally agree with the "transitive property" and lack there of. This was about facing a good defense.

i thought the "opinion" about the drafting of D-tackles was kind of interesting. The ratings "opinion" at the end of Maisel's article wasn't shocking but also interesting considering how everyone hates the SEC.

Fun Facts:<br />1. SEC is the only conference BSPN has a merchandise deal with (SEC on ESPN clothing line). <br />2. Maisel is a Furd alum.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">mbBear;666960 said:</div><hr>i thought the "opinion" about the drafting of D-tackles was kind of interesting. The ratings "opinion" at the end of Maisel's article wasn't shocking but also interesting considering how everyone hates the SEC.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I could take little bits of "facts" too make the PAC 12 look like the best conference. He's using these "facts" too push his agenda and his opinion. Hes no different than michael Moore

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;666892 said:</div><hr>i think we seriously underestimate how the pac-12 defenses sucking hard has inflated how good the furd and oregon have looked the past 2 years.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />If we had Alabama's talent/depth/experience on defense I have little doubt we would have won the conference this year with our offense as is. I am hopeful that we'll have enough of that in 2012 or 2013 to overcome our offense - and it's not far fetched if things fall into place.<br /><br />Stanford and USC didn't look all world to me against our defense - flawed that it was - this year, so I think those teams are very concerned with what we're building on defense. Unfortunately right now our offense isn't scaring anyone except fans of (football) execution. That too will change whether under the current regime or its successor.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">WildBear;666809 said:</div><hr>They beat some good teams, but does not mean they would automatically steamroll anyone they play, especially SC/Stanford/Oregon. The later played a much better game against LSU, at LSU basically than anyone else. Might have won minus five turnovers.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />What about LSU's turnovers (I think they had 2)?<br /><br />Also, LSU was without 6 players, including their starting QB and one of their top 2 WR's (Russell Sheppard) - so they weren't at full strength. Bama game was closer than the Oregon game.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;666892 said:</div><hr>i think we seriously underestimate how the pac-12 defenses sucking hard has inflated how good the furd and oregon have looked the past 2 years.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I pretty much agree (except our D of course). Particularly Oregon - who looks outstanding when matched up with less athletic defenses but has trouble with better/faster D's (even USC this season - despite USC's best effort to give the game away late).

Hidden in the core of the article is this : "....qualified for the College Football Hall of Fame (10 seasons as a head coach with a career winning percentage of .600)." I wonder how many on this board consider Tedford in this light. At Cal, yes; but in the broader spectrum of the college game?