<blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal Bears Great;666977 said:</div><hr>Is it your understanding that the other rivalries won't ever be moved? I thought it was going to be a rotating arrangement...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Oh they SAY that they will rotate the pain. But my understanding is that this the world we live in for the next two years and, again, I am predicting that the basic "fairness" arguments gets thrown out the moment that Phil finds out the Civil War might get moved or USC is asked to reschedule Notre Dame.

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<blockquote><div class="name-said">LessMilesMoreTedford;666983 said:</div><hr>Other rivalries will be moved. Otherwise Cal and Furd would never agree to this.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />And what? Sandy drives over the Walnut creek and screams. Nothing (as I understand it) is formalized and in writing. Otherwise link to the document.

From the Crumpacker piece okaydo linked:<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr>That’s the first time in the modern era that the Big Game has been played in any month other than November.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />That's true, provided you don't consider 2006 and 2007 part of the modern era.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">510Bear;666974 said:</div><hr>So they looked at all the rivalry games and said the Big Game was the most expendable one? Even more so than Utah-Colorado, for goodness sakes? That is sad.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />The problem with rivalry games is set up by 2 factors:<br /><br />1) The Cali schools have to play each other every year.<br />2) Two of the Cali schools have to play Notre Dame every year, at the end of the year.<br /><br />As a result, the 2 Cali school rivalries are likely the only 2 to be messed with on a continual basis...and I wouldn't be surprised if it was done intentionally as a ploy to say "well you had to play the socal schools every year...this is the price you pay, Big Game in October."<br /><br />Still...is awful odd that Cal has to pay double whammy on that front (no bye AND rivalry weekend changed), where as every other school doesn't. @USC being right after @OSU makes one seriously wonder if they are pissed at Cal and trying to send a message for something, be it complaints about back to back Thursday night games, complaints about the Refs, lobbying for Cali schools playing each other every year, or other.<br /><br />~MrGPAC

<blockquote><div class="name-said">LessMilesMoreTedford;666983 said:</div><hr>Other rivalries will be moved. Otherwise Cal and Furd would never agree to this.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I think this is right....when that article came out some months ago about this, it was stated that early rivalry games would be rotated every year.....

It will be different when SC is at ND, which has to be in October, not November like when they play in LA

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal_Fan2;667011 said:</div><hr>I think this is right....when that article came out some months ago about this, it was stated that early rivalry games would be rotated every year.....<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I will believe that the Civil War will be played in October ONLY when I turn on my TV and see the Ducks and Beavers playing before I am eating my kids Halloween Candy.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MrGPAC;667002 said:</div><hr>The problem with rivalry games is set up by 2 factors:<br /><br />1) The Cali schools have to play each other every year.<br />2) Two of the Cali schools have to play Notre Dame every year, at the end of the year.<br /><br />As a result, the 2 Cali school rivalries are likely the only 2 to be messed with on a continual basis...and I wouldn't be surprised if it was done intentionally as a ploy to say "well you had to play the socal schools every year...this is the price you pay, Big Game in October."<br /><br />Still...is awful odd that Cal has to pay double whammy on that front (no bye AND rivalry weekend changed), where as every other school doesn't. @USC being right after @OSU makes one seriously wonder if they are pissed at Cal and trying to send a message for something, be it complaints about back to back Thursday night games, complaints about the Refs, lobbying for Cali schools playing each other every year, or other.<br /><br />~MrGPAC<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Good point, in addition about whining about back to back games, we were (rightfully) very vocal about playing the socal teams every year. So if we have to have BG in October in order to play SC and UCLA every year I'm OK with this.

The no bye week thing is a travesty. Didn't this happen to WSU last year? Our conditioning better be over the moon or we could be looking at some serious holes in our team given the lack of any recuperation break. The at tOSU and USC games on the road back to back is brutal. This schedule blows.

That is all the info I need to see, <br /><br />ridiculous schedule for Cal!

I'd like to see the schedule where the Big Game was where it belonged. The PR says that schedule had "problems" but didn't identify what those problems were such that Cal and Furd got outvoted on the schedule.

This schedule SUCKS. 12 weeks with no bye. Tough back to back road games. Big Game in October? <br />Rhetorical question: Why the **** is Pac-12 sticking it to us like this?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BearlyLegal;667069 said:</div><hr>This schedule SUCKS. 12 weeks with no bye. Tough back to back road games. Big Game in October? <br />Rhetorical question: Why the **** is Pac-12 sticking it to us like this?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I thought the same thing and still do.....BUT...<br /><br />1. The Pac 12 let Cal and Furd play both L.A. teams every year...that is something no one else gets in the north.<br /><br />2. Cal and Furd don't have to play any home thursday night games....another allowance that others don't get.....<br /><br />This schedule sucks a bit but don't say we haven't gotten any gifts either.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">86Oski;666951 said:</div><hr>I'm not sure either Cal or Stanford would prefer 11/24 (i.e., Thanksgiving weekend) to 10/20.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />It sucks, but in a weird sort of way I feel that if Big Game is not going to be the LAST game of the season, which it often hasn't been, then the middle of the season suits me better than being the penultimate game. We're all going to care about the rest of the season this way, rather than forgetting there's just one more game to go as usually happens.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal_Fan2;667107 said:</div><hr>I thought the same thing and still do.....BUT...<br /><br />1. The Pac 12 let Cal and Furd play both L.A. teams every year...that is something no one else gets in the north.<br /><br />2. Cal and Furd don't have to play any home thursday night games....another allowance that others don't get.....<br /><br />This schedule sucks a bit but don't say we haven't gotten any gifts either.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I agree. Look at what the Northwest schools got--lose a trip to LA, now get one just every other year plus Thurs. night games. Plus we requested USC early.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MrGPAC;666861 said:</div><hr><br /><br />This really makes no sense to me. Cal not only has to play the big game on October 20th, it looks like they sacrifice their BYE week as well to do so. Meanwhile, the last game of the season, Stanford plays UCLA while Cal plays no one.<br /><br />Oh...and it sure was nice of them to give us @Ohio State and @USC in back to back weeks.<br /><br />~MrGPAC<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I haven't had a chance to peruse this closely yet, but is Cal the only team without a bye?

This is about 2 things. 1)TV wants to spread out the attractive games. Look what they have done to bowl season. One bowl a day for what seems like a month and half. 2)Furd is puting ND before Cal. Fine. Then they must spread some of that ND payola to us. Tell them no cash no Big Game every year.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;666993 said:</div><hr>according to john breech cal and teh furd were given 3 schedule options and picked one where the game was nov 17th.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Another option was Thanksgiving weekend, which meant no traditional activites (e.g., Big Game rally) since no students are around. Both Furd AD and Sandy are PO'd with this choice. The other option, which would have moved the game to a Saturday at the end of the season was rejected by the other Pac 12 schools. Supposedly, some one else's rivalry game will be impacted next year. Also, there is a Friday night game, which every school now has to do every two years (next year Cal will not have one). Intersting that Cal-Oregon game is so late, and is projected for national TV. Not a surprise, but a lot of the schedule timing was dictated by TV, and not having too many prominant games played on the same week. Welcome to selling your sole.<br /><br />Have to believe Cal will move somone to late in the year to get a bye.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">wifeisafurd;667300 said:</div><hr>Another option was Thanksgiving weekend, which meant <b>no traditional activites</b> (e.g., Big Game rally) since <b>no students are around</b>. <hr></blockquote><br /><br />No students around is exactly why having the BG over Thanksgiving would be far worse than on Oct 20th. I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.<br /><br />If they are rotating the displaced rivalry games, I guess that is fine, the no bye week is more of a problem to me - I would have preferred it if Scott had symbolically given SC and Stanford a bye over thanksgiving the first two years of the rotation because it's their contracts that are causing the problem. That or encourage another similar type of OOC game on Thanksgiving by another team or two.<br /><br />Texas and Oklahoma play in October. So do Georgia and Florida (in most years). October weather is far better than November. So there's that too.

So much for tradition and the Big Game. That's right, tradition has nothing to do with money.

I guess the Army Navy game will soon be the only rivalry game left. Sorry powers to be, Army Navy is tradition.

If anyone doubts how LA schools are favored, check these schedules out, they could have put the big game on Nov. 24 and put Stanfurd v. UCLA on the 20th of October, but they wanted to give UCLA a bye on the 20th of October so instead our tradition suffers.<br /><br />California<br />Sept. 1 Nevada<br />Sept. 8 Southern Utah<br />Sept. 15 at Ohio State<br />Sept. 22 at USC<br />Sept. 29 Arizona State<br />Oct. 6 UCLA<br />Oct. 13 at Washington State<br />Oct. 20 Stanford<br />Oct. 27 at Utah<br />Nov. 2 Washington<br />Nov. 10 Oregon<br />Nov. 17 at Oregon State<br /><br />Stanford<br />Sept. 1 San Jose State<br />Sept. 8 Duke<br />Sept. 15 USC<br />Sept. 27 at Washington<br />Oct. 6 Arizona<br />Oct. 13 at Notre Dame<br />Oct. 20 at California<br />Oct. 27 Washington State<br />Nov. 3 at Colorado<br />Nov. 10 Oregon State<br />Nov. 17 at Oregon<br />Nov. 24 at UCLA<br /><br />UCLA<br />Sept. 1 at Rice<br />Sept. 8 Nebraska<br />Sept. 15 Houston<br />Sept. 22 Oregon State<br />Sept. 29 at Colorado<br />Oct. 6 at California<br />Oct. 13 Utah<br />Oct. 20 BYE<br />Oct. 27 at Arizona State<br />Nov. 3 Arizona<br />Nov. 10 at Washington State<br />Nov. 17 USC<br />Nov. 24 Stanford

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;666804 said:</div><hr>are we the only ones losing our rival game time? why do i have a feeling usc/ucla will be in november.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />The other traditional Pac rivalry games (USC/UCLA, Civil War, Apple Cup and Territorial Cup) are all in November. Also, they are the final game for al those schools except for USC/UCLA. UCLA goes to Furd and USC plays ND for the final regular season game.<br /><br />This is the cost of throwing in with Larry Scott and the drive for bucks. He's going to set up the schedule to maximize exposure of the teams with the national reputations, which at the moment are Oregon and U$C. We get hosed as a result.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">86Oski;666951 said:</div><hr>I'm not sure either Cal or Stanford would prefer 11/24 (i.e., Thanksgiving weekend) to 10/20.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Per Wilner's blog, both Sandy and Bowlsby were opposed to a Thanksgiving weekend date, because Big Game events would conflict with the holiday. I disagree. Given that many people take off for much if not all of that week, having the game might actually increase interest.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Jeff82;667370 said:</div><hr>Per Wilner's blog, both Sandy and Bowlsby were opposed to a Thanksgiving weekend date, because Big Game events would conflict with the holiday. I disagree. Given that many people take off for much if not all of that week, having the game might actually increase interest.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You would think but considering this is Cal and the Furd we are talking about... people get out of Dodge big time...ghost town around Cal. They know their demographics...

the Big Game is already not the last game of the season...so it may actually take on greater importance in the middle of the season, when things have not been decided and each game is crucial.

I expect that there will not a bonfire this year due to the fire danger. Another small sacrifice.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">LessMilesMoreTedford;666983 said:</div><hr>Other rivalries will be moved. Otherwise Cal and Furd would never agree to this.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />But what if they get out-voted again (and again and again)?<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">86Oski;666980 said:</div><hr>Looking on the bright side, <b>IF</b> we are able to win the Big Game this year, it will mean that Stanford will have been short-changed on how long it had the Axe following its 2011 win.<br /><br />See? We sunshine-pumpers can find a silver lining to ANY cloud...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />True. <br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Looperbear;667017 said:</div><hr>Good point, in addition about whining about back to back games, we were (rightfully) very vocal about playing the socal teams every year. So if we have to have BG in October in order to play SC and UCLA every year I'm OK with this.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I think I'd rather give up the annual So Cal games to keep the BG as we know it intact.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal_Fan2;667107 said:</div><hr>I thought the same thing and still do.....BUT...<br /><br />1. The Pac 12 let Cal and Furd play both L.A. teams every year...that is something no one else gets in the north.<br /><br />2. Cal and Furd don't have to play any home thursday night games....another allowance that others don't get.....<br /><br />This schedule sucks a bit but don't say we haven't gotten any gifts either.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Cal_Fan2:<br /><br />1. These are old rivalries not shared by the other 8 conference teams. Specifically:<br /><ul><li>Cal-USC involves the oldest 2 schools in the state;<br /><li>Cal-Southern Branch is the only rivalry among big time Bowl subdivision team involving two schools from the same system;<br /><li>Stanford-SC involve the only 2 private schools in the conference;<br /><li>Stanford-Sothern Branch . . . (well, I'm sure there's something special about this game!)<br /></ul><br /><br />2. I can assure you that if Southern Branch had an on-campus facility, they would not have any Thursday night games either. (And their neighbors are wealthier and more politically connected than ours.)<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">C6Bear;667164 said:</div><hr>I haven't had a chance to peruse this closely yet, but is Cal the only team without a bye?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Yes. And that begs the question, why us? What the heck did we do to offend the PTB?

This is a f**king embarrassment. We get Ohio State on the road and then go to USC. Talk about getting kicked in the balls. And now we play Stanford in October. WTF? Thank God we at least get to play souther Utah. Hope I can get my hands on two tickets for this one on StubHub.<br /><br />I know we need the money to support all of this non-revenue sports programs that nobody attends, including women's basketball and the new Pac 12 Deal delivered what was called upon them to deliver brought but this is incredibly insulting. I cannot believe that Sandy and the folks at Stanford voted this as their first, second or third choice and if they did that's a problem. I would have rather they register a protest vote and leave it at that.

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<blockquote><div class="name-said">southseasbear;667483 said:</div><hr>But what if they get out-voted again (and again and again)?<br /><br /><br /><br />Cal_Fan2:<br /><br />1. These are old rivalries not shared by the other 8 conference teams. Specifically:<br /><ul><li>Cal-USC involves the oldest 2 schools in the state;<br /><li>Cal-Southern Branch is the only rivalry among big time Bowl subdivision team involving two schools from the same system;<br /><li>Stanford-SC involve the only 2 private schools in the conference;<br /><li>Stanford-Sothern Branch . . . (well, I'm sure there's something special about this game!)<br /></ul><br /><br />2. I can assure you that if Southern Branch had an on-campus facility, they would not have any Thursday night games either. (And their neighbors are wealthier and more politically connected than ours.)<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I of course know all about our rivalries....but all I said is that Cal and Furd got some allowances that other schools didn't....that is in fact true....and honestly, you are throwing in a hypothetical about the Bruins having an on campus facility?....hypotheticals are not in play here.... Cal and Furd don't have to play Thursday night home games...this is another allowance. I'm not excusing anything about the new schedule, I'm just answering someone who thinks we don't get any breaks...we have got a couple breaks and thems are the facts

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Cal_Fan2;667514 said:</div><hr>I of course know all about our rivalries....but all I said is that Cal and Furd got some allowances that other schools didn't....that is in fact true....and honestly, you are throwing in a hypothetical about the Bruins having an on campus facility?....hypotheticals are not in play here.... Cal and Furd don't have to play Thursday night home games...this is another allowance. I'm not excusing anything about the new schedule, I'm just answering someone who thinks we don't get any breaks...we have got a couple breaks and thems are the facts<hr></blockquote><br /><br />It's not so much an "allowance" as an acknowledgement of political/economic reality. The only way we could get away with Thursday night games would be to play them off-campus.<br /><br />I do think that seniority should have its privileges. We are one of the 5 charter members of this 12-team conference.<br /><br />The only solution is expansion to 16 teams, with the original Pac-8 forming its own division.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">kasaja;667496 said:</div><hr>This is a f**king embarrassment. We get Ohio State on the road and then go to USC. Talk about getting kicked in the balls. And now we play Stanford in October. WTF? Thank God we at least get to play souther Utah. Hope I can get my hands on two tickets for this one on StubHub.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I agree that our 2012 hopes just took a below-the-belt shot following a series of body blows (ZM regressing, Barkley returning, coaching upgrades across the conference). We got screwed.<br /><br />Weren't we saying at one point that 2012 was going to be our breakout year? Hopefully all these setbacks are little ones, and this will light a fire under next year's team. And if this isn't motivation enough, the chance to get some payback at home vs. Oregon, Washington, UCLA, and now furd....on Oct. 20.....should do it.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">kasaja;667496 said:</div><hr>This is a f**king embarrassment. We get Ohio State on the road and then go to USC. Talk about getting kicked in the balls. And now we play Stanford in October. WTF? Thank God we at least get to play souther Utah. Hope I can get my hands on two tickets for this one on StubHub.<br /><br />I know we need the money to support all of this non-revenue sports programs that nobody attends, including women's basketball and the new Pac 12 Deal delivered what was called upon them to deliver brought but this is incredibly insulting. I cannot believe that Sandy and the folks at Stanford voted this as their first, second or third choice and if they did that's a problem. I would have rather they register a protest vote and leave it at that.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Cal has made lots of demands. We wanted to play SC early. So we request to play SC early, not play Thursday games, insist on getting both LA schools every year and bong playing on Thanksgiving weekend. By refusing to play Thanksgiving weekend, Cal guaranteed that it could not get a bye. If we had just agreed to BG on Thanksgiving, we could have had a bye at the perfect time, on Oct. 20th.