<blockquote><div class="name-said">KoreAmBear;672171 said:</div><hr>He's had academic issues but the word is he still may play for us. In that regard he's no different from Maynard in my mind. The only difference is bringing it up with all this recruiting momentum, and people perceiving it (which I believe the OP did not intend) as some negative campaigning against Cal. But people take the board way too seriously if they think some of their posts are going to be taken as gospel by players. These kids don't live in a bubble and must be sterilized before they go out to play. Welcome to sports message boards.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Getting clay back would be HUGE. He has the ability to stretch the field more than anyone next year not named keenan allen or stefon diggs...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">KoreAmBear;672171 said:</div><hr>Welcome to sports message boards.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />That is a See No Evil type of statement. There is much indicative wrong with sports message boards.<br /><br />I happen not to agree with the twitter gossip nation.

As long as we have a QB who can throw that far.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;672169 said:</div><hr>So has Maynard's alleged academic troubles or suspension been announced by the program? Or do you just feel the need to be so self-sanctimonious that you must make the announcement yourself?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Quite the drama queen aren't you? Speculations and opinions are the pillars of any message board...'what's your deal'?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">socaltownie;672085 said:</div><hr>Weighing in on the "lets wait till there is an announcement" side of things.<br /><br />And anyone that thinks that passing 3 classes with the amount of time these kids put into entertaining US is "easy" simply is kidding themselves. They are asked to put in a 50-70 hour "work week". <hr></blockquote><br /><br /><br /><br />Who are we kidding? They get a ton of tutoring help and most of them take "easy" classes during fall football season and instead take increased academic load during spring followed by taking summer classes.<br /><br />Sure they're busy, but they have time to party and do other things. If passing 3 classes on top of all the football-related obligations was hard or anything like that, most guys would not stay qualified.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SnoozerBear;672191 said:</div><hr>Quite the drama queen aren't you? Speculations and opinions are the pillars of any message board...'what's your deal'?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Yeah, I'm a drama queen.<br /><br />I said I'd flame this thread down. Ha ha.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">dupdadee;672196 said:</div><hr>Who are we kidding? They get a ton of tutoring help and most of them take "easy" classes during fall football season and instead take increased academic load during spring followed by taking summer classes.<br /><br />Sure they're busy, but they have time to party and do other things. If passing 3 classes on top of all the football-related obligations was hard or anything like that, most guys would not stay qualified.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Do you know something about this situation? Facts?<br /><br />If so please give me some details.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;672201 said:</div><hr>Do you know something about this situation? Facts?<br /><br />If so please give me some details.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Do you? Serious question. Are you arguing because you have information we don't, or because you dislike speculation?

If everyone just posted facts this whole board would just have 10 posts.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Cyan;672203 said:</div><hr>Do you? Serious question. Are you arguing because you have information we don't, or because you dislike speculation?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I've already stated that I find this type of speculation distasteful.<br /><br />Do you have information? Has Maynard been suspended?

You are supposed to take 15 units a semester to graduate on schedule. 9 units IS a reduced load. I'm not inclined to think ill of Maynard or any other kid that runs into academic issues, but the NCAA asking them to pass at a 60% load is not unreasonable.

Play nice ladies . . . no fighting. Couldn't resist.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OaktownBear;672209 said:</div><hr>You are supposed to take 15 units a semester to graduate on schedule. 9 units IS a reduced load. I'm not inclined to think ill of Maynard or any other kid that runs into academic issues, but the NCAA asking them to pass at a 60% load is not unreasonable.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />And lets be real here, it's not like these guys are taking Nuclear Engineering classes...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Tedhead94;672211 said:</div><hr>Play nice ladies . . . no fighting. Couldn't resist.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Shut up or I'll scratch your eyes out.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;672169 said:</div><hr>So has Maynard's alleged academic troubles or suspension been announced by the program? Or do you just feel the need to be so self-sanctimonious that you must make the announcement yourself?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Schaden, I agree with you 100% that there should have been some sort of official announcement before fans start speculating. Happycheerbear was a jerk for posting this news that should have come from the school or program, not some anonymous douche on Scout.

If indeed Maynard has to sit out 4 games next season, would those necessarily have to be the first 4? If so, that would be a huge blow given that those include road trips to tOSU and USC. We`d have to face an AA 3-4yr starter QB at the Coliseum with a new QB... :headbang<br /><br />We`re probably losing the USC game on the road with Maynard, but with an inexperienced QB this looks like a blowout on paper, not a good way to start the conference race... As well @tOSU is a winnable game with Maynard, but with a new QB it might be out of reach.

Let's be realistic. Whether the starter is Maynard or someone else, they are going to need a lot of work to be prepared for the season. Maynard has not shown that he is the kind of guy that can just breeze through spring and fall camp and start. If he is out for 4 games, one third of the season, including back to back trips to OSU and USC, we are going to need to identify a starting QB out of AB, Hinder, Boehm and Kline and then we are going to have to get that guy ready. That will leave Maynard with basically no reps. Maynard is going to have a tremendously steep uphill battle to get the job back come game 5. If he doesn't have a really tough time, that will mean our QB play has basically sucked for 4 games and will be really bad news.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">GranadaHillsBear;672257 said:</div><hr>Schaden, I agree with you 100% that there should have been some sort of official announcement before fans start speculating. Happycheerbear was a jerk for posting this news that should have come from the school or program, not some anonymous douche on Scout.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />+1<br /><br />These "hot-tip artists" know they are doing the kid dirt and the program harm but they can't help themselves. I envision village ladies washing clothes at the river, yacking away endlessly. No one really wants to cause a marital breakup in the village, naturally, but did you hear—?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">CousinVinnieB;672212 said:</div><hr>And lets be real here, it's not like these guys are taking Nuclear Engineering classes...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Exactly right. Given that Maynard was probably taking the least academically rigorous (to put it kindly) classes offered at Cal, it's squarely his fault if the rumor is true and he was unable to maintain even a barely passing average in classes that probably require only regular physical attendance and basic literacy to pass.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">rafterfan180;671954 said:</div><hr>That's why we have the ignore user function at our disposal.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Can you explain how that works. I've only been here a few days and I am already done with a couple people...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">CousinVinnieB;672212 said:</div><hr>And lets be real here, it's not like these guys are taking Nuclear Engineering classes...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Some are (just about).<br /><br />Maybe not these days, but Cal has had at least one stud player with high grades in Engineering <img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />"><br /><br />Just thought I would mention it, because I think it's awesome.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OaktownBear;672209 said:</div><hr>You are supposed to take 15 units a semester to graduate on schedule. 9 units IS a reduced load. I'm not inclined to think ill of Maynard or any other kid that runs into academic issues, but the NCAA asking them to pass at a 60% load is not unreasonable.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />My guess, if this is in fact what happened, is that Maynard took a reduced load (say 12 units), but failed enough of those units to not pass 9 units. Not that hard if you consider that with 12 units, only failing a single class (4 units) could be enough to make you ineligible. <br /><br />Given this, I wonder why the NCAA has such a rule considering that 9 units are likely pretty arbitrary as a workload requirement, because one 4 unit class may demand much more than another 4 unit class. Furthermore, It makes more sense to require a minimum workload, and then require good academic standing. Taking 12 units during Fall semester and failing one class, even though you have maintained 3.5 GPA is a lot different than passing 12 units, but having a 2.4 GPA overall.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">davetdds;671943 said:</div><hr>Here we go again. Cut to the chase. Someone or some people make a comment. Schaden disses on them ( get bent, STFU, etc..) We call him an a$$h#le and he says he is being attacked, yet he is the first attacker. These posts go to a zillion pages because of it. Ahh, for the good ol'days:hammer:<hr></blockquote><br /><br />This is what I "love" about BearInsider posters: 10 pages of extreme comments based upon a hint of a rumor. <br />With such incisive commentary we could go on forever on a claim of an "alien abduction"<br />where are Scully and Muldar when we really need them. Maybe they could dig down to find our what really happened regarding Zack Maynard.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">liverflukes;671846 said:</div><hr>Mouse... I was referring to the phrase "right summer school classes" in response to another poster. He has since responded. In doing so, I was commenting that Cal does not offer many classes which are traditionally considered easy should a student find themselves needing to take 12 units in the spring and 7 in the summer to make up for some perceived shortfall with existing course load. I have no idea why 19 units is some magic number to be achieved for that matter. I have no ill will towards Maynard and I hope he succeeds both academically and athletically at Cal. Sorry if I offended you.<hr></blockquote><br />gotcha, it's all cleared up.....(been travelling, and still no new information???????).<br /><br />but i still really do hope it isn't a suspension, i can't imagine how we're going to handle this if it's a 2 game. 4 game, ok, that's a big chunk of time, maybe reason to commit to 2 other qbs. but 2 games? i really don't want to imagine what could possibly happen with our starting/backup qb tandem...........<br /><br />seriously, now that i'm thinking about it, i think i'd rather have ZM start all our games next year.....what, ZM is supposed to get half the reps and the other "starter" the other half? then put ZM in after 2 games or 4 games, he's going to struggle, then change to the other???

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SoCalBear323;672205 said:</div><hr>If everyone just posted facts this whole board would just have 10 posts.<hr></blockquote><br /><img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />" /><br />"That's, like, your <i>opinion</i>, man."

10 pages of reading and I saw not one piece of marginally conclusive evidence that Maynard is getting suspended.<br /><br />There is a reason we don't know anything about this. Maynard is a good kid either way, and our best quarterback. It's unfair to write all this **** about him based on a god damned internet rumor. He's just a kid and we are all going ape **** over an internet rumor. Imagine if the rumor is wrong and he's reading this crap? Honestly, that would be horrible.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BobbyGBear;672375 said:</div><hr>10 pages of reading and I saw not one piece of marginally conclusive evidence that Maynard is getting suspended.<br /><br />There is a reason we don't know anything about this. Maynard is a good kid either way, <b>[U]and our best quarterback[/U]</b>. It's unfair to write all this **** about him based on a god damned internet rumor. He's just a kid and we are all going ape **** over an internet rumor. Imagine if the rumor is wrong and he's reading this crap? Honestly, that would be horrible.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I agree with all that you say EXCEPT the bolded portion.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BobbyGBear;672375 said:</div><hr>10 pages of reading and I saw not one piece of marginally conclusive evidence that Maynard is getting suspended.<br /><br />There is a reason we don't know anything about this. Maynard is a good kid either way, and our best quarterback. It's unfair to write all this **** about him based on a god damned internet rumor. He's just a kid and we are all going ape **** over an internet rumor. Imagine if the rumor is wrong and he's reading this crap? Honestly, that would be horrible.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Imagine if he was reading an internet board to get inside info on himself?<br /><br />That would be horrible.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I think I'll google my name right now!

It was a dbag move, no doubt. Now that he is getting slammed, he appears apologetic, but you cannot unring that particular bell. This was personal information that has the potential to be humiliating to one of our players -- saying "I'm sorry" doesn't cut it, as far as I'm concerned. I have always appreciated his contributions, but he crossed a line.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Bear Island;672397 said:</div><hr>Agreed. It's just meant to grab attention for the person who posts it.<hr></blockquote>

and it would be the end of the story, right?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">oskidunker;672407 said:</div><hr>and it would be the end of the story, right?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I hope Maynard isn't here reading this shite. I'd rather have him going over tape or hitting the books than wasting time here. :p

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OaktownBear;672301 said:</div><hr>Let's be realistic. Whether the starter is Maynard or someone else, they are going to need a lot of work to be prepared for the season. Maynard has not shown that he is the kind of guy that can just breeze through spring and fall camp and start. If he is out for 4 games, one third of the season, including back to back trips to OSU and USC, we are going to need to identify a starting QB out of AB, Hinder, Boehm and Kline and then we are going to have to get that guy ready. That will leave Maynard with basically no reps. Maynard is going to have a tremendously steep uphill battle to get the job back come game 5. If he doesn't have a really tough time, that will mean our QB play has basically sucked for 4 games and will be really bad news.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />The good news would be he would have missed @tOSU and @$C.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;672035 said:</div><hr>Why don't you get back to cleaning teeth and dissing Maynard?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Hey Schaden. You must have me confused with someone else. Find where I dissed Maynard in this post. I did not even comment on him. Get your facts straight. I have not tried to say anything about him and academics. As for cleaning teeth, I don't do that either. Dr. Dave

<blockquote><div class="name-said">vmfa531;671675 said:</div><hr>I would imagine this whole thing could be put to rest if the powers to be were willing to make a formal statement. Nah, we should let is fester for a while.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />If it were for academic reasons, wouldn't be have to miss spring practice, as well as the fall practice? Can he participate in practices on academic probation?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Bear of Fire Island;672495 said:</div><hr>You could make a full-time job rebutting stupid things said about you on the internet. This one isn't worth the effort. If it had any truth to it, it'll come out eventually on its own and if it didn't, well nobody looks stupid other than the guy who rushed to be the first to post it. If that happens, hopefully people will take any future stuff he says with a grain of salt.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />except the dude who posted it on scout is very knowledgeable about football and the program in general, unlike yourself.