shows that he was more than "just a D-line coach" that didn't deserve getting a huge $$$ bump. If we had just lost a D-line coach b/c someone was willing to triple his salary, there would be a few posts by die-hards, nothing more. <br /><br />Tosh is 26, wanted a better title, and wanted more $$$, even though Cal is his "dream job". Like any Cal grad, he has greater aspiration for his career than simply making fans on this board happy, even if it meant it would hurt the school he rooted for his entire life. As much as it hurts to see him go, I'm not going to blame the guy for making this business decision. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Someone saw his value, and paid him for it. JT/SB did not, and we'll see who's right. <br /><br />I rarely (actually never, but can't say I follow everything) heard JT ever acknowledge Tosh's recruiting efforts, and not giving him a title and some $$$ that goes along with it seems to just be stubborness. If Tosh adds more value to the program than someone with a better title, then Tosh should be rewarded for it. It's life, whether you're in football or any desk job. If someone feels undervalued, you risk losing them. If you value the performance, then take care of them. Apparently, the market for Tosh was set, and JT/SB weren't willing to fight for it. If we go to a RB, then who cares. If we don't, and recruiting starts to fall off, even with the new facilities, well, SB/JT won't be around much longer. If I were JT, I would have agreed to restructure my own contract to keep Tosh around. I think JT could have survived just fine making $200K less per year.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">CalCalCal;680822 said:</div><hr>shows that he was more than "just a D-line coach" that didn't deserve getting a huge $$$ bump. If we had just lost a D-line coach b/c someone was willing to triple his salary, there would be a few posts by die-hards, nothing more. <br /><br />Tosh is 26, wanted a better title, and wanted more $$$, even though Cal is his "dream job". Like any Cal grad, he has greater aspiration for his career than simply making fans on this board happy, even if it meant it would hurt the school he rooted for his entire life. As much as it hurts to see him go, I'm not going to blame the guy for making this business decision. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Someone saw his value, and paid him for it. JT/SB did not, and we'll see who's right. <br /><br />I rarely (actually never, but can't say I follow everything) heard JT ever acknowledge Tosh's recruiting efforts, and not giving him a title and some $$$ that goes along with it seems to just be stubborness. If Tosh adds more value to the program than someone with a better title, then Tosh should be rewarded for it. It's life, whether you're in football or any desk job. If someone feels undervalued, you risk losing them. If you value the performance, then take care of them. Apparently, the market for Tosh was set, and JT/SB weren't willing to fight for it. If we go to a RB, then who cares. If we don't, and recruiting starts to fall off, even with the new facilities, well, SB/JT won't be around much longer. If I were JT, I would have agreed to restructure my own contract to keep Tosh around. I think JT could have survived just fine making $200K less per year.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><br />Tosh is 26? <br /><br />Tosh joined the Bears in 2000 -- 12 years ago.<br /><br />So he was on the Cal football team at age 14!?!?

Sorry, Tosh was 26 when he started as a grad assistant. He's now 30. (DOB: 7/22/81).

<blockquote><div class="name-said">CalCalCal;680822 said:</div><hr>shows that he was more than "just a D-line coach" that didn't deserve getting a huge $$$ bump. If we had just lost a D-line coach b/c someone was willing to triple his salary, there would be a few posts by die-hards, nothing more. <br /><br />Tosh is 26, wanted a better title, and wanted more $$$, even though Cal is his "dream job". Like any Cal grad, he has greater aspiration for his career than simply making fans on this board happy, even if it meant it would hurt the school he rooted for his entire life. As much as it hurts to see him go, I'm not going to blame the guy for making this business decision. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Someone saw his value, and paid him for it. JT/SB did not, and we'll see who's right. <br /><br />I rarely (actually never, but can't say I follow everything) heard JT ever acknowledge Tosh's recruiting efforts, and not giving him a title and some $$$ that goes along with it seems to just be stubborness. If Tosh adds more value to the program than someone with a better title, then Tosh should be rewarded for it. It's life, whether you're in football or any desk job. If someone feels undervalued, you risk losing them. If you value the performance, then take care of them. Apparently, the market for Tosh was set, and JT/SB weren't willing to fight for it. If we go to a RB, then who cares. If we don't, and recruiting starts to fall off, even with the new facilities, well, SB/JT won't be around much longer. If I were JT, I would have agreed to restructure my own contract to keep Tosh around. I think JT could have survived just fine making $200K less per year.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />+1<br />Tosh was attracting people that were rated historically the best at their position to ever play at Cal. He was making history, that is a fact. JT has made history at Cal too. But JT got compensated for it. I think that great coaches resent great recruiters who aren't also great coaches and this contributed to the fall out.

Tosh can go make more money. I don't care. <br /><br />He didn't have to go into total douchebag mode to move up. <br /><br />F*ck Tosh and f*ck any flimsy defense of his actions.

at the end of the day, tosh will regret this move and i think he might already know this.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">heartofthebear;686310 said:</div><hr>+1<br />Tosh was attracting people that were rated historically the best at their position to ever play at Cal.<hr></blockquote><br />He was a great recruiter but get a grip! Too many great Cal players at every position to even list. Hyperbole Alert!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">CalCalCal;680822 said:</div><hr>shows that he was more than "just a D-line coach" that didn't deserve getting a huge $$$ bump. If we had just lost a D-line coach b/c someone was willing to triple his salary, there would be a few posts by die-hards, nothing more. <br /><br />Tosh is 26, wanted a better title, and wanted more $$$, even though Cal is his "dream job". Like any Cal grad, he has greater aspiration for his career than simply making fans on this board happy, even if it meant it would hurt the school he rooted for his entire life. As much as it hurts to see him go, I'm not going to blame the guy for making this business decision. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Someone saw his value, and paid him for it. JT/SB did not, and we'll see who's right. <br /><br />I rarely (actually never, but can't say I follow everything) heard JT ever acknowledge Tosh's recruiting efforts, and not giving him a title and some $$$ that goes along with it seems to just be stubborness. If Tosh adds more value to the program than someone with a better title, then Tosh should be rewarded for it. It's life, whether you're in football or any desk job. If someone feels undervalued, you risk losing them. If you value the performance, then take care of them. Apparently, the market for Tosh was set, and JT/SB weren't willing to fight for it. If we go to a RB, then who cares. If we don't, and recruiting starts to fall off, even with the new facilities, well, SB/JT won't be around much longer. If I were JT, I would have agreed to restructure my own contract to keep Tosh around. I think JT could have survived just fine making $200K less per year.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Sorry, but I hate the mofo now.<br /><br />JT has acknowledged the efforts of his staff when comes to recruiting over the years, and has singled-out Tosh for such recognition.<br /><br />Move-on for for more money, title, upward mobility or whatever... Happens all the time. I honestly saw visions of him doing so and then coming back to Cal a few years later, well-equipped to be our DC, and eventually even a HC.<br /><br />Tosh made a decision, which is fine, really. Most, if not all here can accept that. But, he also made other decisions when he left, which were very wrong and damning. That is why so many here despise him now.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">HaloBear;686319 said:</div><hr><br />F*ck Tosh and f*ck any flimsy defense of his actions.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />:bravo:bravo:bravo

People who advocate lying down in this time, the time where we need to fight are contributors to a lackluster and mediocre football program. <br /><br />We need more killer instinct. Heck it's what Tosh has and why he's after every one of our recruits. In cave man days he would be coming in, pushing you aside and stealing your kill. Then you would starve and die because you wanted peace.<br /><br />We didn't ask for this war. He brought it to us. <br /><br />There will be a time to sit back and reflect. <b>That time is not now.</b> We're in the fourth quarter of this mofo-ing recruiting season and UW has basically used a cheap move to take out our starting QB. What're we gonna do? Shake hands with that mofo-er? No. We gotta finish and finish strong and ram this ball down their mofo-ing throats.<br /><br /><img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />" />

All that just to regurgitate the same crap.<br /><br />We should have a form response....it's not that he left, it's how he left.

California Psycho!!! Lol

<blockquote><div class="name-said">CalCalCal;680822 said:</div><hr>shows that he was more than "just a D-line coach" that didn't deserve getting a huge $$$ bump. If we had just lost a D-line coach b/c someone was willing to triple his salary, there would be a few posts by die-hards, nothing more. <br /><br />Tosh is 26, wanted a better title, and wanted more $$$, even though Cal is his "dream job". Like any Cal grad, he has greater aspiration for his career than simply making fans on this board happy, even if it meant it would hurt the school he rooted for his entire life. As much as it hurts to see him go, I'm not going to blame the guy for making this business decision. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Someone saw his value, and paid him for it. JT/SB did not, and we'll see who's right. <br /><br />I rarely (actually never, but can't say I follow everything) heard JT ever acknowledge Tosh's recruiting efforts, and not giving him a title and some $$$ that goes along with it seems to just be stubborness. If Tosh adds more value to the program than someone with a better title, then Tosh should be rewarded for it. It's life, whether you're in football or any desk job. If someone feels undervalued, you risk losing them. If you value the performance, then take care of them. Apparently, the market for Tosh was set, and JT/SB weren't willing to fight for it. If we go to a RB, then who cares. If we don't, and recruiting starts to fall off, even with the new facilities, well, SB/JT won't be around much longer. If I were JT, I would have agreed to restructure my own contract to keep Tosh around. I think JT could have survived just fine making $200K less per year.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Good post. It's time to let it go.

How many assistants, 12? Tosh @ $500k = $200k raises for everyone. Do the math.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">NYCGOBEARS;686328 said:</div><hr>He was a great recruiter but get a grip! Too many great Cal players at every position to even list. Hyperbole Alert!<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I'm not talking about all players just ones over the last 10 years when rating agencies started rating players at their position. Shaq and McCarthy were at the top at their positions for that ten year period in terms of Cal commits. That is impressive to me. But join the club and throw him under the bus. I don't defend his actions on leaving Cal but I'm not going to go into some kind of revisionistic denial about the value he had to Cal when he was here.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">9thCircuitBear;686465 said:</div><hr>based on fact (1994?) Gosh they were slimy even before sark got there<br /><br />How do you fight slime?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Every Psycho knows that the best way to fight slime is with an axe, a clear slicker rain coat, while on drugs, and listening to Fore by Huey Lewis and the News.<br /><br /><a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU"""""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU"""""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU""""</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU""""</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU"""</a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU"""</a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU"""</a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU"""</a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU""</a>""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU""</a>""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU""</a>"</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU""</a>"</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU""</a></a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU""</a></a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU""</a></a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mSJpOBXFU""</a></a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank">It's hip to be square.</a><br /><br />Bateman: You like Huey Lewis and the News? Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humour.<br /><br />Paul Allen: Hey Halberstram. <br /><br />Bateman: Yes, Allen? <br /><br />Paul Allen: Why are there copies of the Style section all over the place, d-do you have a dog? A little chow or something? <br /><br />Bateman: No, Allen. <br /><br />Paul Allen: Is that a rain coat? <br /><br />Bateman: Yes it is! In '87, Huey released this, Fore!, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip to be Square", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. [rapidly, as if agitated] But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself. [raises axe above head] Hey Paul! [he bashes Allen in the head with the axe, and blood splatters over him] <br /><br />Bateman: TRY GETTING A RESERVATION AT DORSIA NOW YOU FUCKING STUPID BASTARD! YOU FUCKING BASTARD!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">SchadenBear;686663 said:</div><hr>Every Psycho knows that the best way to fight slime is with an axe and a clear rain slicker coat.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Did you not sleep last night?

well, a better judgement can probably come 5 years from now. If everyone took a breath, its true that Tosh was involved with a great recruiting class this year, and we will see if it really does fall apart(McCarthy is a push in my opinion-hard to say whether Tosh holds him).<br /> But, the class lost because Bruce Snyder left could have been greater. And besides this year, we can remember that Tosh had nothing to do with Aaron Rodgers,and the other classes were STILL a mixed bag, and Tosh does not have a Rose Bowl ring.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">atticus;686664 said:</div><hr>Did you not sleep last night?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Working from home so I gets to sets the rules.<br /><br />Truly I'm a late night thinker.

Lupaid exposed himself. I mistakenly believed he was future CAL HC material. He is no leader of young men and is a career position coach with maybe a pitstop as a HC much later in his career. Think mini Orgeron. He set his career back at least 5 years with these antics. Would you give the DC coordinator keys to your program to this kid? No way. Only way he moves up soon now is if bro Wilcox lands a HC gig.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">jabes;686645 said:</div><hr>How many assistants, 12? Tosh @ $500k = $200k raises for everyone. Do the math.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />If Cal offered 500k Uduh would have gone to 700k-800k. Lupaid was gone to hook up with his bro Wilcox. Wilcox has a good resume and his daddy is connected. He is close to a HC gig. No doubt he has promised Lupaid a DC spot. There is no way Cal could have kept Lupaid short of kicking Coach P to the curb and making Lupaid DC.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">heartofthebear;686310 said:</div><hr>+1<br />Tosh was attracting people that were rated historically the best at their position to ever play at Cal. He was making history, that is a fact.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />History?! <br /><br />:rollinglaugh:<br /><br />Are you effin kidding?!!<br /><br />Last time I checked, the College Football Hall of Fame doesn't have a recruiting wing<br /><br />Bitch all you want about JT's performance, but to continue to argue that he should have retained this guy after all he just did is plain stoopid.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">NewYorkCityBear;687050 said:</div><hr>History?! <br /><br />:rollinglaugh:<br /><br />Are you effin kidding?!!<br /><br />Last time I checked, the College Football Hall of Fame doesn't have a recruiting wing<br /><br />Bitch all you want about JT's performance, but to continue to argue that he should have retained this guy after all he just did is plain stoopid.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Here is my motivation besides expressing my "stoopidity": I am trying to get a handle on why it is that we are not able to compete with $C and Whoregon. It has been a very long time since we won a Rose bowl. I would like to find the weak spots in the Cal program so that they can be strengthened. I think this a functional approach. The other approach of lets wait and see and hope for the best is the kind of approach that our competitors are taking full advantage of. From an organizational point of view I feel that the recent events point to some potential problems that need to be investigated. How is that "stoopid"? Is there anyone else out there that is interested in investigating Cal athletics from the point of view of organizational health? Is Cal athletics structured in a way consistent with its goal to be the best athletically? New facilities are great and I applaud that, but we should be able to fund football as an investment as well as a sport and get around some of the restrictions. What do other competitive schools like $C or UCLA do in these kind of situations? Because it sure seems like other schools don't self destruct at critical junctures as much as we do.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">CalCalCal;680822 said:</div><hr>[<b>The fact that there is this much banter about Tosh</b>] shows that he was more than "just a D-line coach" that didn't deserve getting a huge $$$ bump. If we had just lost a D-line coach b/c someone was willing to triple his salary, there would be a few posts by die-hards, nothing more. <hr></blockquote><br /><br />No, what is shows is that there are any number of self-important and self-righteous "fans" who imagine that the sky is falling.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">CalCalCal;680822 said:</div><hr>Tosh is 26, wanted a better title, and wanted more $$$, even though Cal is his "dream job". Like any Cal grad, he has greater aspiration for his career than simply making fans on this board happy, even if it meant it would hurt the school he rooted for his entire life. As much as it hurts to see him go, I'm not going to blame the guy for making this business decision. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Someone saw his value, and paid him for it. JT/SB did not, and we'll see who's right. <hr></blockquote><br /><br />For Lupoi, it's apparently all about the bucks. If he really believed the rhetoric he was selling to Cal recruits, he would have been thrilled with a raise to $300K and would have told Sarkisian that he's staying at Cal. <br /><br />Lupoi also didn't understand the value of honoring his word because he reneged on the deal he had with Tedford to stay at Cal if Cal matched UW's offer of $300K. In short, Lupoi has debased the value of his word for money.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">CalCalCal;680822 said:</div><hr>I rarely (actually never, but can't say I follow everything) heard JT ever acknowledge Tosh's recruiting efforts, and not giving him a title and some $$$ that goes along with it seems to just be stubborness. If Tosh adds more value to the program than someone with a better title, then Tosh should be rewarded for it. It's life, whether you're in football or any desk job. If someone feels undervalued, you risk losing them. If you value the performance, then take care of them. Apparently, the market for Tosh was set, and JT/SB weren't willing to fight for it. If we go to a RB, then who cares. If we don't, and recruiting starts to fall off, even with the new facilities, well, SB/JT won't be around much longer. If I were JT, I would have agreed to restructure my own contract to keep Tosh around. I think JT could have survived just fine making $200K less per year.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Apparently you think that SB and JT could have taken care of Lupoi by simply snapping their fingers and saying, "Done!".<br /><br />This ignores so many things. Just off the top of my head, it ignores:<br /><ul><li>the pressures on the AD from the administrative and academic sides to eliminate fiscal deficits,<br /><li>the announced elimination (temporary as it was) of five sports in September 2010,<br /><li>with the exception of Stanf*rd, Cal's AD supports more sports (29) than any other Pac-12 Athletic Department (Stanf*rd supports 34)<br /><li>servicing the debt on the construction of desperately needed facilities represented by the SAHPC and the renovation of Cal Memorial,<br /><li>revenues from the new Pac-12 TV contracts don't kick in until after July 1, 2012,<br /><li>2012-2013 revenues are already committed towards meeting obligations related to ending marketing contracts and Pac-12 network startup costs,<br /><li>Pac-12 TV contract revenues in future years are already committed towards eliminating the AD's operating deficit,<br /><li>raising the salary of an assistant coach to 3x the previous amount would have had a concomitant effect on the salaries of all the other assistants (9 assistants and coordinators total).<br /></ul><br /><br />I'm sure others on this board could come up with other important factors that I haven't mentioned here.<br /><br />In short, it's not as simple as you would have us believe.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">FiatSlug;687119 said:</div><hr>No, what is shows is that there are any number of self-important and self-righteous "fans" who imagine that the sky is falling.<br /><br /><br /><br />For Lupoi, it's apparently all about the bucks. If he really believed the rhetoric he was selling to Cal recruits, he would have been thrilled with a raise to $300K and would have told Sarkisian that he's staying at Cal. <br /><br />Lupoi also didn't understand the value of honoring his word because he reneged on the deal he had with Tedford to stay at Cal if Cal matched UW's offer of $300K. In short, Lupoi has debased the value of his word for money.<br /><br /><br /><br />Apparently you think that SB and JT could have taken care of Lupoi by simply snapping their fingers and saying, "Done!".<br /><br />This ignores so many things. Just off the top of my head, it ignores:<br /><ul><li>the pressures on the AD from the administrative and academic sides to eliminate fiscal deficits,<br /><li>the announced elimination (temporary as it was) of five sports in September 2010,<br /><li>with the exception of Stanf*rd, Cal's AD supports more sports (29) than any other Pac-12 Athletic Department (Stanf*rd supports 34)<br /><li>servicing the debt on the construction of desperately needed facilities represented by the SAHPC and the renovation of Cal Memorial,<br /><li>revenues from the new Pac-12 TV contracts don't kick in until after July 1, 2012,<br /><li>2012-2013 revenues are already committed towards meeting obligations related to ending marketing contracts and Pac-12 network startup costs,<br /><li>Pac-12 TV contract revenues in future years are already committed towards eliminating the AD's operating deficit,<br /><li>raising the salary of an assistant coach to 3x the previous amount would have had a concomitant effect on the salaries of all the other assistants (9 assistants and coordinators total).<br /></ul><br /><br />I'm sure others on this board could come up with other important factors that I haven't mentioned here.<br /><br />In short, it's not as simple as you would have us believe.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Thank you for keeping it real. In other words we don't have the resources to compete with the big boys who have already established top tier football programs in the conference. That is what I thought, just wanted to hear somebody say it and wondering why we are acting like we do. So, next question. When do you think we should join the big east?<br /><br />My point is that you can't have it both ways. You can't act like you are a player in the conference if your football program is constrained like it is at Cal because football drives everything and the top schools in the conference can out compete Cal financially. What is your plan to change this? My plan is to replace the AD with someone who has the organizational sophistication to free up the football program from it's current constraints which, quite frankly seem a little Neolithic in nature. I would like a AD that puts more weight and importance on the football program than Sandy currently does. Facilities aside, the football program is being characterised with the administration as a spending liability rather than a wise investment. That exists because Sandy does not have the type of personality to really sell football to the power that be at Berkeley. That is my humble opinion. I'd like to see Gladstone back.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">heartofthebear;687078 said:</div><hr> What do other competitive schools like $C or UCLA do in these kind of situations? Because it sure seems like other schools don't self destruct at critical junctures as much as we do.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /> You might want to pick some other examples, <br /><br />U$C - on probation, just finished serving bowl ban and still minus scholly's<br /><br />UCLA - Finished season with losing record, just fired slick Rick, <br /><br />...just sayin'....

The reason we have not been able to compete with Oregon and SC is simple: Athletic department donations. Phil Knight - hear of him? Oregon has had the best facilities in the Pac 12 for two decades. SC has tradition, tons of cash and is willing to spend it on it's players.<br /><br />SC is the real power in the Pac 12, and the only one that really needs to be addressed. Once Chip Kelly get's his job with Indianapolis...why do you think Thomas is leaving? <br /><br />To be clear - Cal football is important, and Cal sports are important. But to the administration, it is only important to 5 million per year. And if you want to do more then the IA needs to generate that revenue. Our football team is currently generating a profit of 8 million per year. We need MORE THAN THAT to support everything else. The way you get there is DONATIONS. Pay more, get more.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">CalCalCal;680822 said:</div><hr>shows that he was more than "just a D-line coach" that didn't deserve getting a huge $$$ bump. If we had just lost a D-line coach b/c someone was willing to triple his salary, there would be a few posts by die-hards, nothing more. <br /><br />Tosh is 26, wanted a better title, and wanted more $$$, even though Cal is his "dream job". Like any Cal grad, he has greater aspiration for his career than simply making fans on this board happy, even if it meant it would hurt the school he rooted for his entire life. As much as it hurts to see him go, I'm not going to blame the guy for making this business decision. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Someone saw his value, and paid him for it. JT/SB did not, and we'll see who's right. <br /><br />I rarely (actually never, but can't say I follow everything) heard JT ever acknowledge Tosh's recruiting efforts, and not giving him a title and some $$$ that goes along with it seems to just be stubborness. If Tosh adds more value to the program than someone with a better title, then Tosh should be rewarded for it. It's life, whether you're in football or any desk job. If someone feels undervalued, you risk losing them. If you value the performance, then take care of them. Apparently, the market for Tosh was set, and JT/SB weren't willing to fight for it. If we go to a RB, then who cares. If we don't, and recruiting starts to fall off, even with the new facilities, well, SB/JT won't be around much longer. If I were JT, I would have agreed to restructure my own contract to keep Tosh around. I think JT could have survived just fine making $200K less per year.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Yawn,...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">jabes;686645 said:</div><hr>How many assistants, 12? Tosh @ $500k = $200k raises for everyone. Do the math.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />If you cannot pay $500K to Tosh with his current job title, promote the man.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">NewYorkCityBear;687050 said:</div><hr>History?! <br /><br />:rollinglaugh:<br /><br />Are you effin kidding?!!<br /><br />Last time I checked, the College Football Hall of Fame doesn't have a recruiting wing<br /><br />Bitch all you want about JT's performance, but to continue to argue that he should have retained this guy after all he just did is plain stoopid.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Before Tosh left, the board was calling this recruiting class "historical" and "monumental." <br />Now that he's left, his effort was had become.... well..... not at all historical or monumental.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">jabes;686645 said:</div><hr>How many assistants, 12? Tosh @ $500k = $200k raises for everyone. Do the math.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><b>OFFENSE</b><br />OL - Michalczik<br />WR - Chandler (formerly Kiesau)<br />QB - Arroyo<br />RB - Gould<br /><br /><b>DEFENSE</b><br />DC - Pendergast<br />DL - VACANT (formerly Lupoi)<br />LB - Thompson<br />DB - Ambrose<br /><br /><b>SPECIAL TEAMS</b><br />STC - Genyk

where we win is successfully arguing against spending money. Where we lose is against teams that are successful in spending on their football program. <b><i>You do the math</i></b><br /><br />So what is your plan for beating OU and $C and getting back to the Rose Bowl?<br />My plan is to get someone in the ADs office that is successful in creating multiple revenue streams for the football program that helps us compete with those teams. And I want someone that knows football well enough to be able to successfully sell it when funding is needed. That is my plan. Bring back Gladstone or make the coach of the Rugby team AD. Sorry Sandy your not cutting it.

I agree that I think the long term, sustained success requires changes beyond what the head coach can make. I have plenty of reasons to be pissed at Sandy but then I have a number of reasons to be happy with her. Like JT, goodwill only lasts so long and they must continue to do their job. You can only ride prior successes for so long. <br /><br />But I also understand that changes (particularly organizational and budgetary ones) are not easy to make, especially in a politically hot environment when money is involved. Given the fiscal situation of California and the implications on the costs (and cuts) of higher education, it really feels like many decisions come between picking the least bad option.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">LethalFang;687237 said:</div><hr>Before Tosh left, the board was calling this recruiting class "historical" and "monumental." <br />Now that he's left, his effort was had become.... well..... not at all historical or monumental.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />If some on the board used those terms (certainly not me because I personally think the importance of the recruiting ratings game is ridiculously inflated) , it's typical hyperbole. There is rarely ANYTHING "historical" about what a group of 17-year olds decides to do.

attendance helps as well.