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aka "I don't want any part of this. Please direct all complaints to Sandy Barbour".

..in other words. They have a budget, its up to them to decide how to spend it. Reading between the lines also tells me "don't expect any budget increases any time soon".<br /><br />~MrGPAC

Either this is a blame game or the truth. Can somebody have the balls to take some blame for this clusterfu.ck!!!!!!

Just take care of Gould and coach M, and don't overpay the others. Really hope they don't make a dumb decision.

That is cute.<br /><br />Tedford to Sandy: "I need to give my assistants raises".<br /><br />Sandy to Birgeneau: "I need money to give the football assistants raises"<br /><br />Birgeneau to Sandy: "You have your budget, if you want to give the assistants raises, cut something else in the department".<br /><br />Sandy to Birgeneau: "You don't give me enough now. I don't have anything I can cut".<br /><br />Birgeneau to Sandy: "It is up to you how you allocate your resources".<br /><br />Sandy to Jeff: "The chancellor won't give me money and I don't have anything I can cut. You have your budget, if you want to give the assistants raises, cut something else in the football budget" <br /><br />Jeff to Sandy: "You don't give me enough now. I don't have anything I can cut".<br /><br />Sandy to Jeff: "It is up to you how you allocate your resources".<br /><br />Birgeneau to Media: "It is up to Sandy and Jeff how they allocate their resources. Don't drag me into this. The buck stops there"

<blockquote><div class="name-said">AZGoldenBear;681726 said:</div><hr>Either this is a blame game or the truth. Can somebody have the balls to take some blame for this clusterfu.ck!!!!!!<hr></blockquote><br /><br />If you leave your place of employment for another company that publicly offered you a significant raise, must there be someone to blame for your departure?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MrGPAC;681725 said:</div><hr>..in other words. They have a budget, its up to them to decide how to spend it. Reading between the lines also tells me "don't expect any budget increases any time soon".<br /><br />~MrGPAC<hr></blockquote><br /><br />That's how I read it. <br /><br />Hindsight is 20/20, but JT and SB should really have had a contingency plan to deal with potential poaching of coaches. Their salary info is public, the Bay Area is expensive and the TV money coming in well known. SB should also know exactly what the chancellor believes about IAD spending deficits - it's not new and not changing due to the politics at UC now. <br /><br />By the way, this is somewhat how UW stole the weasel from CU. Lots of money yes, but they also struck quickly, knowing that large public university are bureaucracies that move slowly. Giving someone a take it or leave it offer makes it impossible for the another large bureaucracy to match..... unless the athletic department has already planned out how to counter as a contingency. CU was especially hindered by a state law that prevented multi-year contracts for state employees, so that was easy pickings for UW.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">oskirules;681735 said:</div><hr>If you leave your place of employment for another company that publicly offered you a significant raise, must there be someone to blame for your departure?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />The FB budget is out of date. It needs to be adjusted to reflect current conditions. Chancellor is not allowing it to be changed. He seems quite pleased to accept the "blame".

It's both. Birgeneau is saying that Sandy has a budget and she has to live with it. Cool, I can respect that. But any department should be able to go to the chancellor and make a special request when they see either they can gain something of value or they could lose something of value and they need money outside the budget to cover. Sandy either went to him and he said no or she didn't go to him because she knew what the answer would be.<br /><br />If Birgeneau decided to cover it, Sandy would have said yes and Tedford would have said yes. Any school that is serious about football would have covered this and worked it out later. Point being, there is no leeway whatsoever for the athletic department or the football program.

What would naming rights to Memorial garner per year? How about Autozone California Memorial Stadium? A leak suggesting that was on the table might light a rocket underneath Birgeneau and give FB more of their TV money.

Yep. Sounds right. Buck being passed everywhere. <br />F*ck ups at multiple levels up he ladder. IMO this mostl falls on sandy and Birgenau.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">freshfunk;681768 said:</div><hr>Yep. Sounds right. Buck being passed everywhere. <br />F*ck ups at multiple levels up he ladder. IMO this mostl falls on sandy and Birgenau.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />There is no way Tedford can just shift money from other parts of the football budget to cover this. I'm sure that it came to a point where to pay Lupoi he was going to have to dump Gould or Clancy or Coach M., and he wasn't willing to do that. <br /><br />I think it has been clear the past couple years that the university has taken the stand that the athletic department has to break even. I generally agree with that, but the chancellor should allow for the flexibility of putting some money in to get a future return on investment. Obviously that is not going to happen in the current situation.<br /><br />Sandy knows this so ultimately, the very difficult buck stops with her, IMO. Problem is that she isn't ruthless enough and she doesn't have the power to be ruthless enough. <br /><br />27 sports is ridiculous. The department needs to cut the dead wood. Unfortunately, the TV money was seen as a way to save the status quo instead of a way to make the department successful into the future.

We are damned lucky we got the high performance center project to a point where it had pretty much unstoppable momentum before the economy tanked. I think if the issue came up now we would have been living with the crap facilities we had for the rest of our lifetimes.

This really is about AD economics.<br /><br />Can Cal afford to pay all of its assistants significantly more money? (Paying one of them a significantly larger sum is not realistic)<br /><br />Do we continue to support 27 sports? We saw what happened this past year with attempts to trim some budgetary excess the past year. We want our cake and to eat it to. The chancellor has appropriately said that the AD must carry its own weight financially. At some point there needs to be a hard stop. In the current political climate, I don't think there is room for him to make exceptions - he has already put forth significant University resources for SAHPC and CMS.<br /><br />On the positive side, we are moving towards being financially sustainable as a department and we are getting the needed capitol investments in the department that should lead to a better margin down the road.<br /><br />I think there will be good candidates to draw upon to fill those positions. Better still, we have a very good product to sell to student-athletes. As a program, we are like the company that cannot match top salary paying programs and we will struggle when the battle is solely about financial investments. That doesn't always win out in recruiting though and it doesn't always win out on the gridiron.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OaktownBear;681802 said:</div><hr>There is no way Tedford can just shift money from other parts of the football budget to cover this. I'm sure that it came to a point where to pay Lupoi he was going to have to dump Gould or Clancy or Coach M., and he wasn't willing to do that. <br /><br />I think it has been clear the past couple years that the university has taken the stand that the athletic department has to break even. I generally agree with that, but the chancellor should allow for the flexibility of putting some money in to get a future return on investment. Obviously that is not going to happen in the current situation.<br /><br />Sandy knows this so ultimately, the very difficult buck stops with her, IMO. Problem is that she isn't ruthless enough and she doesn't have the power to be ruthless enough. <br /><br />27 sports is ridiculous. The department needs to cut the dead wood. Unfortunately, the TV money was seen as a way to save the status quo instead of a way to make the department successful into the future.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Sandy tried to go in another direction when she proposed cutting the five sports, and she got slammed. The bottom lines are these:<br /><br />Female sports all get a pass on being self-supporting because of Title IX. Until that law is changed, there's no choice.<br /><br />Since all female sports get a pass, all male sports have to be forced to be self-supporting through donations, as golf, rugby and crew (I think) are. The TV money is going to have to go primarily to football and basketball, if we want to be competitive in those two sports. Small donors should probably be encouraged to donate to the smaller sports, leaving the ESP money and the TV money to support the two major sports.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OaktownBear;681802 said:</div><hr>There is no way Tedford can just shift money from other parts of the football budget to cover this. I'm sure that it came to a point where to pay Lupoi he was going to have to dump Gould or Clancy or Coach M., and he wasn't willing to do that. <br /><br />I think it has been clear the past couple years that the university has taken the stand that the athletic department has to break even. I generally agree with that, but the chancellor should allow for the flexibility of putting some money in to get a future return on investment. Obviously that is not going to happen in the current situation.<br /><br />Sandy knows this so ultimately, the very difficult buck stops with her, IMO. Problem is that she isn't ruthless enough and she doesn't have the power to be ruthless enough. <br /><br />27 sports is ridiculous. The department needs to cut the dead wood. Unfortunately, the TV money was seen as a way to save the status quo instead of a way to make the department successful into the future.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Completely agree with you. And I don't see anything rocking the new "status quo" for quite a while, unfortunately. All the extra money will be bled into the sports that have never been able to support themselves.

That's a good point about the SAHPC getting going just before the economy died.<br /><br />And that's a good point about spending an extra $1M or so to save a recruiting staff that was simply rolling.<br /><br />And that's a good point about Birgeneau putting his foot down on the budget. Like, I get it. They nearly killed baseball, rugby, etc., and now you want to increase the AD budget because of Tosh? Give me a break.<br /><br />Which all leads to MY point. Tedford could have re-allocated HIS salary to cover the asst coach disparity! <br />Alas, I suppose he'd rather keep HIS dough and go it alone. Fine. Think you can keep the ball rolling? Fine. Try. But if not, it all comes back to you, JT. If you could have given on your salary to build the team, but didn't.... well, then, we know where your priorities are, and that would be bye bye time. <br /><br />Next thing you know, JT is going to TAKE that NFL job.... "I don't need this **** - I'll take my salary and pride, too!"<br /><br />Then everyone will be looking at Birgeneau again.

Birgenau is a p*ssy elitist @sshole, just like the chancellors before him. Nothing's changed. These are still the little nerds who got shoved in the trash can when they were kids and never got over it.<br /><br />@ssholes like Birgenau talk up football and MBB and stab us in the back. Look at how Monty is coaching with one hand tied behind his back. Meanwhile, for all their talk about academics, our academic reputation continues to sink while schools like SC who invest in football are catching up.<br /><br />Yet the little twerps like Birgenau are too caught up in their childhood issues with the high school jock to let go of their pathetic view of academic elitism, no matter how much it costs the university. <br /><br />This university is run by a bunch of losers.

Gee Drunk, I thought it was all the alumni's fault. Now you're saying the administration might be the problem. I'm confused...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BeachyBear;681851 said:</div><hr>Birgenau is a p*ssy elitist @sshole, just like the chancellors before him. Nothing's changed. These are still the little nerds who got shoved in the trash can when they were kids and never got over it.<br /><br />@ssholes like Birgenau talk up football and MBB and stab us in the back. Look at how Monty is coaching with one hand tied behind his back. Meanwhile, for all their talk about academics, our academic reputation continues to sink while schools like SC who invest in football are catching up.<br /><br />Yet the little twerps like Birgenau are too caught up in their childhood issues with the high school jock to let go of their pathetic view of academic elitism, no matter how much it costs the university. <br /><br />This university is run by a bunch of losers.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />As much as I disagreed with you in another recent thread... this is pretty spot on.

Can someone refresh my memory as to why the new TV contract isn't making any difference in our ability to do anything here? Under the old contract we were making $3 million a year and now it's $17 M a year. WTF? Even if our AD deficit was $8 million , STILL WTF?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">concordtom;681842 said:</div><hr><br /><br />Which all leads to MY point. Tedford could have re-allocated HIS salary to cover the asst coach disparity! <br />Alas, I suppose he'd rather keep HIS dough and go it alone. Fine. Think you can keep the ball rolling? Fine. Try. But if not, it all comes back to you, JT. If you could have given on your salary to build the team, but didn't.... well, then, we know where your priorities are, and that would be bye bye time. <br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br />I'm sorry but this irrational blaming of Tedford for Cal not investing in football needs to stop. WSU, bastion of football tradition with a bottomless supply of money to buy their way to the top, pays their coach $2.3MM per year. Tedford doesn't make much more than that, and the entire difference is probably eaten by cost of living. <br /><br />Tedford should've funded $400k/yr plus a boat and a house for Tosh? In the Bay Area? Plus another $500k/yr and whatever else for Kiesau? Even if its just use of the house and boat, that's probably over $1MM a year right there. Then add in what the other assistants will get in raises and Tedford is the lowest paid guy on the staff, assuming he's getting paid at all.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BeachyBear;681851 said:</div><hr>Birgenau is a p*ssy elitist @sshole, just like the chancellors before him. Nothing's changed. These are still the little nerds who got shoved in the trash can when they were kids and never got over it.<br /><br />@ssholes like Birgenau talk up football and MBB and stab us in the back. Look at how Monty is coaching with one hand tied behind his back. Meanwhile, for all their talk about academics, our academic reputation continues to sink while schools like SC who invest in football are catching up.<br /><br />Yet the little twerps like Birgenau are too caught up in their childhood issues with the high school jock to let go of their pathetic view of academic elitism, no matter how much it costs the university. <br /><br />This university is run by a bunch of losers.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Jeez, who are you Beachy 'sunshine' Bear?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">boredom;681871 said:</div><hr>I'm sorry but this irrational blaming of Tedford for Cal not investing in football needs to stop. WSU, bastion of football tradition with a bottomless supply of money to buy their way to the top, pays their coach $2.3MM per year. Tedford doesn't make much more than that, and the entire difference is probably eaten by cost of living. <br /><br />Tedford should've funded $400k/yr plus a boat and a house for Tosh? In the Bay Area? Plus another $500k/yr and whatever else for Kiesau? Even if its just use of the house and boat, that's probably over $1MM a year right there. Then add in what the other assistants will get in raises and Tedford is the lowest paid guy on the staff, assuming he's getting paid at all.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Sorry, I'm just slightly biased. I used to manage billions of dollars and got paid peanuts. I did the work day to day. Meanwhile, my boss earned multiples of my salary, didn't know how my job was done, just did talking all day, played politics, marginalized me, filled in staff with "his" people, and eventually made things so unbearable for me I left. <br /><br />I played team sports growing up and thought we were all a team. I learned the hard way. I'm just hoping JT is not like my former boss, wishing there are leaders out there who work with their staff as complete teams. Such a disparity of income levels only breeds bitterness, in my experience. <br /><br />I side emotionally with Tosh in getting the raise, and in saying FU for laying the Oregon Scuba game at his feet the way he did!<br /><br />Now, I imagine you'll find reasons to doubt my experience. But I was there. And it wasn't just me. It was system wide. JT thinks he can do it better himself. Fine, go for it. <br /><br />Oh, yeah, my former boss is no longer there either...<br /><br />Win together as a team, lose together as a team.<br />It takes leadership to win.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">ohsooso;681866 said:</div><hr>Can someone refresh my memory as to why the new TV contract isn't making any difference in our ability to do anything here? Under the old contract we were making $3 million a year and now it's $17 M a year. WTF? Even if our AD deficit was $8 million , STILL WTF?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Even though football is making that money they don't get to keep it. Keep in mind that new money is ESPN coinage coming right from our cable bills. Sandy is using it to pay against the AD deficit. Leaving Cal FB exposed as other schools use that ESPN money for FB operations.<br /><br />Tedford should suggest scheduling a field hockey game at CMS for Nov. 2th instead of a FB game. I wonder how much ESPN will pay to show that?

It's a false economy. Washington understands that you have to spend money to make money. There is a difference between a team that has a #5 recruiting class and one that has a #28 recruiting class. And, if the hand is played well, that can translate into millions. I'm still thinking that Tedford and Barbour are thinking that the CMS and the construction of the SAHPC compensate for Lupoi's efforts, making the latter premise moot. I, however, do not share that point of view...not completely.<br /><br />I haven't read all the posts so forgive me if I've repeated somebody else's opinion.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">LafayetteBear;681901 said:</div><hr>IN other words, Birgeneau says: "I can't help you, and don't blame me."<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Exactly....and what I was trying to say this morning....this goes higher than Sandy..sure she has some blame but when you don't have the resources to give the raise, what the hell are you going to do?....I think Cal carried too many sports...never used to think that but now I do. Football makes the money and now Cal is behind in the arms race....AGAIN !!!!

I'm wondering if it's even a possibility for Tedford to pay assistants out of his own salary. If so, I wonder if that was ever proposed.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">concordtom;681902 said:</div><hr>Sorry, I'm just slightly biased. I used to manage billions of dollars and got paid peanuts. I did the work day to day. Meanwhile, my boss earned multiples of my salary, didn't know how my job was done, just did talking all day, played politics, marginalized me, filled in staff with "his" people, and eventually made things so unbearable for me I left. <br /><br />I played team sports growing up and thought we were all a team. I learned the hard way. I'm just hoping JT is not like my former boss, wishing there are leaders out there who work with their staff as complete teams. Such a disparity of income levels only breeds bitterness, in my experience. <br /><br />I side emotionally with Tosh in getting the raise, and in saying FU for laying the Oregon Scuba game at his feet the way he did!<br /><br />Now, I imagine you'll find reasons to doubt my experience. But I was there. And it wasn't just me. It was system wide. JT thinks he can do it better himself. Fine, go for it. <br /><br />Oh, yeah, my former boss is no longer there either...<br /><br />Win together as a team, lose together as a team.<br />It takes leadership to win.<hr></blockquote>

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Jeff82;681835 said:</div><hr>Sandy tried to go in another direction when she proposed cutting the five sports, and she got slammed. The bottom lines are these:<br /><br />Female sports all get a pass on being self-supporting because of Title IX. Until that law is changed, there's no choice.<br /><br />Since all female sports get a pass, all male sports have to be forced to be self-supporting through donations, as golf, rugby and crew (I think) are. The TV money is going to have to go primarily to football and basketball, if we want to be competitive in those two sports. Small donors should probably be encouraged to donate to the smaller sports, leaving the ESP money and the TV money to support the two major sports.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />One huge savings for any non-revenue/non-fully endowed sport--mandate that all scholarships must be for California in-state tuition or its equivalent. While Title IX mandates that Cal must give equal opportunities to women to participate in sports, it does not mandate that those opportunities have to go to out of state recruits. Field the best field hockey team using California recruits that you can--and really, I think that the educational/athletic opportunity should go to California kids. Should save money on recruiting too.<br /><br />Revenue sports are a different animal. They are the engine that drives the whole train so they need to bring in the best recruits possible (though the bias should be toward California recruits too).

Asking Tedford to take from his salary and give to Tosh/Kiesau is absolutely absurd! Who of us would do this? <br /><br />I recall distinctly Tedford asking the AD for extra money for his assistants not just once, but several times. He has always attempted to take care of assistants, but if the money is not there, it is not there!<br /><br />We are just recovering from a severe recession and the unemployed number around 8.5% nationwide and more than that in California. The State has cut Cal's budget and we've gone to enrolling out of state kids in order to make up the shortfall. Out-of-state undergrads now number around 10% of the campus. That's how desparate we have been. If you've followed the recent Regent's meetings you'll know this was a last straw and a real defeat for the promise made by Pat Brown over 50 years ago. <br /><br />At the moment, we can't compete with the money that Washington is throwing around. Sarkisian is in trouble, unless he delivers a winning season and a prominent bowl appearance. The best thing that could happen to him and to Washington is for all this money to be paid to assistants and the team wallow at .500. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Tedhead03;681926 said:</div><hr>I'm wondering if it's even a possibility for Tedford to pay assistants out of his own salary. If so, I wonder if that was ever proposed.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Of course that is possible. He can do what he wants with his money. It might even be a good investment on his part. <br /><br />They might have even been able to be creative in borrowing against future TV money (though that might be earmarked for the stadium given the likelihood current financing scheme falls apart).

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Tedhead03;681926 said:</div><hr>I'm wondering if it's even a possibility for Tedford to pay assistants out of his own salary. If so, I wonder if that was ever proposed.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Where would it end if he started doing that? Teddy would be scrounging quarters out of the carpet in the SAHPC before long.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">2bear;681916 said:</div><hr>It's a false economy. Washington understands that you have to spend money to make money. There is a difference between a team that has a #5 recruiting class and one that has a #28 recruiting class. And, if the hand is played well, that can translate into millions. I'm still thinking that Tedford and Barbour are thinking that the CMS and the construction of the SAHPC compensate for Lupoi's efforts, making the latter premise moot. I, however, do not share that point of view...not completely.<br /><br />I haven't read all the posts so forgive me if I've repeated somebody else's opinion.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Washington isn't spending money to make money. They're spending money to be relevant. It's difficult recruiting in the Northwest. California is where the best athlete's play and if you can't persuade them normally, you have to take drastic steps like what we are seeing.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">6bear6;681942 said:</div><hr>Asking Tedford to take from his salary and give to Tosh/Kiesau is absolutely absurd! Who of us would do this? <br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br />Any business owner.