he is being treated unfairly here. I'm one of the Negas, have been for sometime so do NOT confuse this with S Pumping. I have been on the phone with my sources quite a bit today (they are well connected and have yet to lead me astray) and TOSH is to blame for this, not JT. I'm not sure how much I can say, but I'll give what I can. Here is the story/timeline as I have heard:<br /><br />Tosh was offered a job at Wash and he came to JT with the "my heart is here speech". JT went and fought for Tosh to get the offer matched. JT and Tosh have a meeting where JT tells Tosh how much he wants to keep him, how he is an integral part of what they are doing, etc. He says that he went and got the offer matched and that he wanted him to stay, but that he won't/can't get into a bidding war for Tosh and that he (JT) needs his (Tosh's) word that this is done and that he (Tosh) isn't going anywhere. Tosh assures JT this is over. Tosh breaks his word, continues talking to UW and gets another offer which he doesn't present to JT, as he has already been told and committed to no bidding war.<br /><br />JT didn't find out Tosh was gone (by voicemail) until he got off the plane for a recruiting trip Tosh was supposed to meet JT on. They were supposed to meet yesterday to recruit and Tosh didn't show.<br /><br />Combine that with the fact that Tosh is breaking the unwritten coaches code of only recruiting for one school and he is dead to me and I suspect Cal and JT as well. If you are recruiting and switch schools, you stop recruiting those guys... pass them off to another on staff.<br /><br /><br />Truly despicable. In my estimation, JT has committed a multitude of sins, but this fiasco isn't on him. No one looks rosy in this, but this is Tosh's doing.<br /><br />Hopefully this gives a picture of what went down without burning my sources. I don't want to talk about numbers, but if there are any questions, I'll do my best.

What a f*cking slimeball

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;682002 said:</div><hr>How can you not blame Tedford if he basically told Tosh he wouldn't have a competitive offer for him?<hr></blockquote><br />I think there was a competitive offer in the beginning, but I'm guessing Sark called up Lupoi last minute and said take it or leave it

Thanks for the details.<br /><br />I don't mind Tosh went for more money. But the method he chosed to leave Cal, if true, is dispicable. Not blaming JT for this episode; but I still want JT to be gone after next season, unless he can get us to 10-3. I guess I am harsh.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">alarsuel;681994 said:</div><hr>he is being treated unfairly here. I'm one of the Negas, have been for sometime so do NOT confuse this with S Pumping. I have been on the phone with my sources quite a bit today (they are well connected and have yet to lead me astray) and TOSH is to blame for this, not JT. I'm not sure how much I can say, but I'll give what I can. Here is the story/timeline as I have heard:<br /><br />Tosh was offered a job at Wash and he came to JT with the my heart is here speech. JT went and fought for Tosh to get the offer matched. LT and Tosh have a meeting where JT tells Tosh how much he wants to keep him, how he is an integral part of what they are doing, etc. He says that he went and got the offer matched and that he wanted him to stay, but that he won't/can't get into a bidding war for Tosh and that he (JT) needs his (Tosh's) word that this is done and that he (Tosh) isn't going anywhere. Tosh assures JT this is over. Tosh breaks his word, continues talking to UW and gets another offer which he doesn't present to JT, as he has already been told and committed to no bidding war.<br /><br />JT didn't find out Tosh was gone (by voicemail) until he got off the plane for a recruiting trip Tosh was supposed to meet JT on. They were supposed to meet yesterday to recruit and Tosh didn't show.<br /><br />Combine that with the fact that Tosh is breaking the unwritten coaches code of only recruiting for one school and he is dead to me and I suspect Cal and JT as well. If you are recruiting and switch schools, you stop recruiting those guys... pass them off to another on staff.<br /><br /><br />Truly despicable. In my estimation, JT has committed a multitude of sins, but this fiasco isn't on him. No one looks rosy in this, but this is Tosh's doing.<br /><br />Hopefully this gives a picture of what went down without burning my sources. I don't want to talk about numbers, but if there are any questions, all do my best.<hr></blockquote>

Aaron, I've met you and I trust what you say. This is disgusting. I'm sorry guys, I know teddy ain't perfect, but Tosh gets no love for me. The only time I want him to step on campus is to receive his bi-yearly asskicking

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;682002 said:</div><hr>How can you not blame Tedford if he basically told Tosh he wouldn't have a competitive offer for him?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />DO, you and I usually see pretty eye to eye, but not this time. He fought to get him the first offer and probably knew that he couldn't go back to the well, which is why he got Tosh to assure him he wouldn't need to. I'm not saying this should change any view about what type of coach JT is (I agree with you), just that he wasn't as completely inept and asleep at the wheel as it first seemed to you. me, and others in this situation.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">AU_Bears;682003 said:</div><hr>What a f*cking slimeball<hr></blockquote><br /><br />This. If this is the story than Tosh's integrity and loyalty are sh#t

Here's why I blame Tosh:<br /><br />Sark didn't offer just him a coaching job. That wasn't the whole deal. The deal was, we give you a boatload of money to coach, recruit, AND to screw Cal two weeks before signing day. That money wasn't just to coach and recruit. <br /><br />For all you people who blame Tedford because of the Oregon thing, gimme a break. Tosh didn't just screw Tedford, he screwed US. <br /><br />He wants to leave, fine, I don't blame him. But recruiting Shaq on the way out the door, before making the announcement... unforgivable. <br /><br />Screw him and everyone else down with him. If you blame Tedford for this, you have lost sight...

This sounds believeable, but who knows..<br /><br />My question is, silver/gorcey and others seem to think that injury-gate is the bigger cause. While I'm sure it def didn't sit well with him last year, was it only major factor AFTER the second/bigger offer? <br /><br />Did he put a price on his own pride? <br /><br />Just wondering.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;682002 said:</div><hr>How can you not blame Tedford if he basically told Tosh he wouldn't have a competitive offer for him?<hr></blockquote>Not engaging in a bidding war is different than not having a competitive offer. Tedford offered to almost double Tosh's salary, which at that point was the going rate.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">likwid1;682014 said:</div><hr>Here's why I blame Tosh:<br /><br />Sark didn't offer just him a coaching job. That wasn't the whole deal. The deal was, we give you a boatload of money to coach, recruit, AND to screw Cal two weeks before signing day. That money wasn't just to coach and recruit. <br /><br />For all you people who blame Tedford because of the Oregon thing, gimme a break. Tosh didn't just screw Tedford, he screwed US. <br /><br />He wants to leave, fine, I don't blame him. But recruiting Shaq on the way out the door, before making the announcement... unforgivable. <br /><br />Screw him and everyone else down with him. If you blame Tedford for this, you have lost sight...<hr></blockquote><br /><br />+1

<blockquote><div class="name-said">alarsuel;681994 said:</div><hr>he is being treated unfairly here. I'm one of the Negas, have been for sometime so do NOT confuse this with S Pumping. I have been on the phone with my sources quite a bit today (they are well connected and have yet to lead me astray) and TOSH is to blame for this, not JT. I'm not sure how much I can say, but I'll give what I can. Here is the story/timeline as I have heard:<br /><br />Tosh was offered a job at Wash and he came to JT with the "my heart is here speech". JT went and fought for Tosh to get the offer matched. JT and Tosh have a meeting where JT tells Tosh how much he wants to keep him, how he is an integral part of what they are doing, etc. He says that he went and got the offer matched and that he wanted him to stay, but that he won't/can't get into a bidding war for Tosh and that he (JT) needs his (Tosh's) word that this is done and that he (Tosh) isn't going anywhere. Tosh assures JT this is over. Tosh breaks his word, continues talking to UW and gets another offer which he doesn't present to JT, as he has already been told and committed to no bidding war.<br /><br />JT didn't find out Tosh was gone (by voicemail) until he got off the plane for a recruiting trip Tosh was supposed to meet JT on. They were supposed to meet yesterday to recruit and Tosh didn't show.<br /><br />Combine that with the fact that Tosh is breaking the unwritten coaches code of only recruiting for one school and he is dead to me and I suspect Cal and JT as well. If you are recruiting and switch schools, you stop recruiting those guys... pass them off to another on staff.<br /><br /><br />Truly despicable. In my estimation, JT has committed a multitude of sins, but this fiasco isn't on him. No one looks rosy in this, but this is Tosh's doing.<br /><br />Hopefully this gives a picture of what went down without burning my sources. I don't want to talk about numbers, but if there are any questions, all do my best.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Thanks for your level headed post.

Thank you for providing this take. I sat idly by in between sadness and disbelief until I heard more about the actions of our ex-coach and it painted a clear picture in my mind. The scenario you've outlined matches up with the bits and pieces others have put up, and explain a lot to me. His actions speak louder. He's not sitting around sad to leave Cal, he's out there earning his pay. Its what he's been hired for, its what he will do and I don't begrudge him for that. It isn't the what he did, its the how he did. He understood what this meant. <br /><br />It's going to take a ton of evidence to the contrary but I feel like I've been played, which is why we see this extreme emotional response from the Cal community. There are still some out there who support the actions and will defend them, which is fine.<br /><br />An excerpt from the ESPN article we so praised...<br /><br />"Primarily, Tosh Lupoi said, he believes in the product he sells." <br /><br />And I believed him.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;682028 said:</div><hr>So he played hard ball with Tosh and Tosh took him at his word<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Come on, DO. It wasn't hard ball. Tosh went to him with Washington's first offer. We all know that getting Cal to match that wouldn't be easy, and Tedford didn't want to use up his political goodwill if it was going to be a bidding war since Cal wouldn't win a bidding war. You know as well as I do that Cal wouldn't match just any salary. He got Tosh's word that if Cal matches, it's a done deal. Tedford went to the mat for him, got him the matching offer, and, believing that Tosh would be true to his word, even sent Tosh to recruit. If you think that was hardball, you've lost some credibility with me. This is on Tosh.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">likwid1;682014 said:</div><hr>Sark didn't offer just him a coaching job. That wasn't the whole deal. The deal was, we give you a boatload of money to coach, recruit, AND to screw Cal two weeks before signing day. That money wasn't just to coach and recruit.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />+1. In my mind, Sark paid for Tosh's recruits. I hope he doesn't get what he paid for and I hope Sark fires Tosh after next recruiting season because all the recruits next year know Tosh's word is mud, he's a slimeball, and he could very well bolt to U$C two weeks before they're supposed to commit. <br /><br />No recruit should ever trust To$h Lupoi ever again. He is a liar and he will ruin your future.

Thanks for sharing this. Its hard to believe how Cal's success in recruiting, and the overall positive momentum, was disassembled by UW overnight. No doubt To$h sold out, but there is a degree of incompetence (or inability) exhibited by people at the top.

If I was Sark I would be keeping real close tabs on Midnight Tosh.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">calbear93;682043 said:</div><hr>Tedford went to the mat for him, got him the matching offer, and, believing that Tosh would be true to his word, even sent Tosh to recruit. If you think that was hardball, you've lost some credibility with me. This is on Tosh.<hr></blockquote>And nobody wants to give an employee an offer letter just to boost their salary elsewhere. If Tosh did indeed agree to Tedford's terms, he would have done so with the understanding that he might leave a bunch of money on the table from UW, and accepting it.

I'm getting the feeling Jeff Tedford is in the wrong sport. He'd have been a great NFL OC if he'd just kept on moving up. College football is a den of liars, murderers and thieves.

Thanks so much, this puts all the pieces of the puzzle together from what I've heard. <br /><br />I feel awful for all the current Cal DLine athletes for whom he was their mentor and family member at CAL who always emphasized loyalty and dedication to CAL. They didn't get a phone call, text, meeting etc. that he was leaving. They found out through twitter. The only people To$h was calling were Cal commits he was trying to swing to UW. Despicable. <br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">alarsuel;681994 said:</div><hr>he is being treated unfairly here. I'm one of the Negas, have been for sometime so do NOT confuse this with S Pumping. I have been on the phone with my sources quite a bit today (they are well connected and have yet to lead me astray) and TOSH is to blame for this, not JT. I'm not sure how much I can say, but I'll give what I can. Here is the story/timeline as I have heard:<br /><br />Tosh was offered a job at Wash and he came to JT with the "my heart is here speech". JT went and fought for Tosh to get the offer matched. JT and Tosh have a meeting where JT tells Tosh how much he wants to keep him, how he is an integral part of what they are doing, etc. He says that he went and got the offer matched and that he wanted him to stay, but that he won't/can't get into a bidding war for Tosh and that he (JT) needs his (Tosh's) word that this is done and that he (Tosh) isn't going anywhere. Tosh assures JT this is over. Tosh breaks his word, continues talking to UW and gets another offer which he doesn't present to JT, as he has already been told and committed to no bidding war.<br /><br />JT didn't find out Tosh was gone (by voicemail) until he got off the plane for a recruiting trip Tosh was supposed to meet JT on. They were supposed to meet yesterday to recruit and Tosh didn't show.<br /><br />Combine that with the fact that Tosh is breaking the unwritten coaches code of only recruiting for one school and he is dead to me and I suspect Cal and JT as well. If you are recruiting and switch schools, you stop recruiting those guys... pass them off to another on staff.<br /><br /><br />Truly despicable. In my estimation, JT has committed a multitude of sins, but this fiasco isn't on him. No one looks rosy in this, but this is Tosh's doing.<br /><br />Hopefully this gives a picture of what went down without burning my sources. I don't want to talk about numbers, but if there are any questions, I'll do my best.<hr></blockquote>

Tosh has burnt his bridge here n with recruits. I understand the money/boat thing but I don't think sarkisian/washington are a stable situation. They are under more pressure than jt and if things go awry it will be a big resume stain for tosh. He better learn to coach quick because xboxing recruits will get harder.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;682028 said:</div><hr>So he played hard ball with Tosh and Tosh took him at his word<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Come on DO, I know you hate JT but get real. <br /><br />To$h didn't come to the table saying 'I want the most money, match it or I'm gone.' He came with the 'my heart is here' speech, which is universally understood to mean that a person will stay if their employer matches the offer. JT told him how much he meant then went to bat for him to DOUBLE his salary (not an insignificant bump in compensation ever, much less one year after getting a 25% increase). JT told him he couldn't go to the well again and To$h gave his word that he would not go back to UW to start a bidding war...then he did just that. Then he doesn't show for the recruiting trip, leaving JT in a lurch; then he leaves a voice message; this after he told Shaq the night before that he was thinking about leaving, etc. <br /><br />If this accounting is accurate - and I know Aaron enough to trust that his sources are exceedingly solid - then To$h's actions are scum. He so easily could have come to JT and said he wanted the payday, was going to take UW's offer but would leave after LOI or leave before LOI but not continue to recruit the same kids. And speaking of that, there's a code here that To$h violated - JT and Cal released him to speak with UW when they didn't have to. The quid pro quo for being granted an opportunity to make more money and leave is that you do it with class. To$h fundamentally violated that trust. **** him. <br /><br />Put your hatred aside for a moment and recognize this for what it is - To$h ass raped us, no condom, no beer, no goodbye. <br /><br />Order of anger:<br />1. To$h<br />2. Sark<br />3. Sandy / Administration (not having the ability/willingness to pay what it takes to keep top talent)<br /><br />That's it. JT doesn't make the list.

Tosh is a complete scumbag and traitor. Its one thing to leave and take the payday... That's forgiveable.<br /><br />The fact that he went to JT, got his offer matched, gave his WORD that the issue was done, and then pulled the **** he has in the last 48 hours in beyond disgusting.<br /><br />Tosh is a big dude, and he'd surely kick my ass, but if I saw him in person right now I'd probably spit in his face. Such a hyprocritical, lying POS if this is all true.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">tequila4kapp;682090 said:</div><hr>Tosh ass raped us, no condom, no beer, no goodbye. <br /><hr></blockquote><br />Didn't even have the decency to spit on his hand first.

I really hope Ted Miller or Wilner pick up this story and run with it. This is Todd Graham 2.0. He should be outed as To$h Lupaid and not be allowed to skate thru feb. 1st recruiting against Cal without the spotlight on him.

Thanks for the insight. This just proves that Lupoi is a first-class, despicable, unethical scumbag. He is unworthy to be a Cal alum. I hope his new boat sinks with him in it and that his new house floods up to the rafters.

Someone send this to Ted Miller. Tosh needs to get exposed.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MilleniaBear;682083 said:</div><hr>Tosh has burnt his bridge here n with recruits. I understand the money/boat thing but I don't think sarkisian/washington are a stable situation. They are under more pressure than jt and if things go awry it will be a big resume stain for tosh. He better learn to coach quick because xboxing recruits will get harder.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />How can any recruit believe him anymore. It's like going out with a girl who cheated on her spouse. What do you think she is going to do to you???? Douchebag Tosh

<blockquote><div class="name-said">davetdds;682127 said:</div><hr>How can any recruit believe him anymore. It's like going out with a girl who cheated on her spouse. What do you think she is going to do to you???? Douchebag Tosh<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Ed Orgeron does fine, and he's as big a douchenozzle as there is in the biz. <br /><br />People forget when it comes to the top recruits, it's all about telling them what they want to hear, and telling their parents what they want to hear. Past history doesn't mean as much as do the same four things: Playing time, getting to the NFL, bona fide credentials, and personable relations.<br /><br />Tosh has all those four things. We'll see what he can do to recruit up there. Cal needs to find a good recruiter who can do the same things he did.

I don't know the details but understand if it may be the case that Tosh felt like he was thrown "under the bus."<br /><br />But where people like Tepper and Silver are in the wrong is the suggestion that because he felt that way that it's ok to f*ck Cal over in the harshest way possible. Outside on something illegal, this is pretty darn close to it. If he felt that strongl about it, he should've left at the end of last season. <br /><br />Considering he left without saying a word to Tedford or his recruits, it makes him look shady injury ate or not. I don't know if the story told here is true but it seems in line with the tweets from players.

In short, if you feel you've been wronged there is an ethical way to handle it and the unethical way. Tosh chose a way that will make sure he's never welcome on te Cal campus again.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">seattlebear02;682119 said:</div><hr>Someone send this to Ted Miller. Tosh needs to get exposed.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Someone send this to #calgang!!!

This accounting lines up with the fact that Tedford and Coach Thompson had Lupoi doing an in-home visit for Cal the night before he switched. No way Tedford and Coach Thompson have a potential UW coach do an in-home visit with a recruit who had UW in his top 3. If reports were swirling that UW was going hard after Tosh, Tedford and Coach Thompson had to be sure that Tosh was all Cal before sending him to see Shaq. <br /><br />If it did go down this way, it's disappointing to see him be so deceitful. No matter how it went down, it was disappointing to hear that he reached out to recruit Shaq to UW before telling his DL players at Cal that he was leaving.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">davetdds;682011 said:</div><hr>This. If this is the story than Tosh's integrity and loyalty are sh#t<hr></blockquote><br /><br />That's just lame! He went to school here, how do you do your freakin school you went to and played for wrong like that? He's got no integrity is right, especially if it went down the most are saying it did.<br /><br />Go Bears!

Someone needs to send this to shaq.