1. Rain = Check the facts ...... It rains all the time, all year long.<br />2. Clouds = The few days it is not raining, the clouds are bound to be out<br />3. Sun? = Sunny days are numbered. We have to take vitamin D supplements just to stay healthy due to a lack of sun light. NO JOKE!<br /><br />As for football....... the stadium is cool but .....<br /><br /><ul><li>UW fans are older, wealthy people (generally speaking) and are very prim and proper. That leads to a lack of enthusiasm before, during and after the game.<br /><li>The student section is lame. Very little tradition.<br /><li>The walk up to the game is lame. It is all about getting into the stadium. Again, very little excitement.<br /><li>If it is raining on game day (which is probable) ..... it doesn't matter who is playing, the crowd diminishes and gets quiet.<br /><li>Not that the players would care too much about this but .... Worth mentioning that the tailgate ranks at the bottom of all the tailgating experiences that I have had (I go to a lot of stadiums and games as a Cal fan). Again, late arrivals jam packed parking lot, usually rain, etc.<br /></ul>Finally, before you commit to going to UW as a player, you should know that ..... your coaches will sell out on you for anything. They will preach to you loyalty, family and love and then deliver something else. <br /><br />So, if you want to live and play ball in the rain and clouds, be coached by fakes and have old timers as fans ....... UW is your place.<br /><br />Spoken from someone who lives here in WA and KNOWS!<br /><br />Go Bears!!!!

I don't know... their rally cheers are kind of cool.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">north west cal fan;685433 said:</div><hr>1. Rain = Check the facts ...... It rains all the time, all year long.<br />2. Clouds = The few days it is not raining, the clouds are bound to be out<br />3. Sun? = Sunny days are numbered. We have to take vitamin D supplements just to stay healthy due to a lack of sun light. NO JOKE!<br /><br />As for football....... the stadium is cool but .....<br /><br /><ul><li>UW fans are older, wealthy people (generally speaking) and are very prim and proper. That leads to a lack of enthusiasm before, during and after the game.<br /><li>The student section is lame. Very little tradition.<br /><li>The walk up to the game is lame. It is all about getting into the stadium. Again, very little excitement.<br /><li>If it is raining on game day (which is probable) ..... it doesn't matter who is playing, the crowd diminishes and gets quiet.<br /><li>Not that the players would care too much about this but .... Worth mentioning that the tailgate ranks at the bottom of all the tailgating experiences that I have had (I go to a lot of stadiums and games as a Cal fan). Again, late arrivals jam packed parking lot, usually rain, etc.<br /></ul>Finally, before you commit to going to UW as a player, you should know that ..... your coaches will sell out on you for anything. They will preach to you loyalty, family and love and then deliver something else. <br /><br />So, if you want to live and play ball in the rain and clouds, be coached by fakes and have old timers as fans ....... UW is your place.<br /><br />Spoken from someone who lives here in WA and KNOWS!<br /><br />Go Bears!!!!<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I spent 2 years of my life in Tacoma (just about an hour's drive south of Seattle). If the weather forcast predicted 10% chance of rain, it meant that it would rain 10% of the day; 20% chance of rain meant it would rain 20% of the day, and so on.<br />Starting in October and going through into June, the sun RARELY ever came out, even on days it did not rain.

Losing coaches to UW hurts us, but I don't think the beneficiaries will be UW so much as our southern opponents, who have generally done a much better job of recruiting in CA. We have started to pull talent away that had historically gone to $C and sUCLA. This is a little bit of a setback (exhibit A is McCarthy, who I could tell was not super solid at the AA game announcement and is now on to sUCLA). UW may get a recruit or two out of this who was coming our way, but in the end, if that happens - it really probably is for the best. A recruit who would go there after how he comported himself in leaving the program vs. what he had been saying on the trail, we probably will be better off without that recruit even if he is extremely talented player.

Anyone who's been to Seattle or have friends that live there get depressed by the weather.<br /><br />It's the <b>[U]CONSISTENT[/U]</b> rain throughout the <b>[U]ENTIRE[/U]</b> year. <br /><br />If it's "sunny" put an asterisk next to it as it'll cloud up quick...and then spritz on you....AGAIN!<br /><br />Then you deal with some snow in the winter...and then it's back to rain.<br /><br />The constant <i>rain nag</i> eats at you and if you're spoiled by California weather can get you depressed right quick.<br /><br />It is what it is.

Excellent point. The one guy we've definitely lost went where? UCLA. Is Armstead likely headed to Seattle? I agree that whatever attrition we suffer from this more likely lands somewhere other than UW. Probably more impact on leaners than actual commits.

Seattle is the 44th rainiest city in the US. So no it doesnt rain as much as people are saying. It rains more in NYC and DC.

the provincial following of the scurs by the entire populace. Everyone wears purple and gold to the minimart on game day. Bow wow, one horse town. You might as well be in Nebraska or Arkansas. udub football is bigger than the Seahawks and the Mariners............<br /><br />The next most depressing thing is we lose to them a lot..........

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MiZery;685473 said:</div><hr>Seattle is the 44th rainiest city in the US. So no it doesnt rain as much as people are saying. It rains more in NYC and DC.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Be that as it may, amount of rain isn't the stat that matters in terms of quality of life. It's the amount of time it's rainy vs. sunny or partly sunny. That's time you can't be outside, enjoy outdoor activities, eat on the restaurant's patio instead of inside, etc.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MiZery;685473 said:</div><hr>Seattle is the 44th rainiest city in the US. So no it doesnt rain as much as people are saying. It rains more in NYC and DC.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />The rain table doesn't make it the rainiest city in the US.<br /><br />The reason Seattle's reputation for rain exists is because of the number of days it rains <i>throughout</i> the year. The rain isn't deluge-heavy rain, but medium to light rain that beats down on you throughout the year.<br /><br />And when it ain't raining.....it's cloudy. LOL.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MiZery;685473 said:</div><hr>Seattle is the 44th rainiest city in the US. So no it doesnt rain as much as people are saying. It rains more in NYC and DC.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Seattle rain = drizzle <br /><br />While it may not rain as much comparatively in volume, it does rain constantly. It is definitely a gloomy environment where seasonal depression gets severe for most CA natives. This explains why the pacific north west have the HIGHEST SUICIDE RATE IN THE COUNTRY.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">510Bear;685484 said:</div><hr>Be that as it may, amount of rain isn't the stat that matters in terms of quality of life. It's the amount of time it's rainy vs. sunny or partly sunny. That's time you can't be outside, enjoy outdoor activities, eat on the restaurant's patio instead of inside, etc.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />As someone who lived in the Seattle area most of my life, I can assure you that Seattle has a great quality of life. While it doesn't rain a lot in terms of quantity it does rain a lot in terms of frequency. Seattleites get out and do. If you are waiting around for a sunny day you might wait a long time. So, we just go do it. <br /><br />There is excellent golfing, boating, fishing, hiking, camping and other outdoor activities that can, and are, enjoyed just fine in misty weather. During the summer it rarely, if ever, rains.<br /><br />I realize the Seattle weather is not for everyone. I personally prefer cooler temperatures to warmer ones.<br /><br />There is a reason Western Washington is so green.

It is really nice when it's nice though<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />"><br /><br />Problem is you can count those days without taking your shoes off. You know, as in "remember Saturday before last when it was sunny and 80 degrees" as part of the discussion of what a great summer we're having.<br /><br />Or, I've been here for 26 fourth of Julys and I can tell you all the ones that were warm and sunny. Sort of like I can tell you every time it rained in the summer in Sacramento in the 15 years I lived there.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MiZery;685473 said:</div><hr>Seattle is the 44th rainiest city in the US. So no it doesnt rain as much as people are saying. It rains more in NYC and DC.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Maybe it does rain more in NYC and DC, but I live just north of Seattle, and my experience is that it rains more than enough to be depressing. Yesterday and today, it was snowing outside. Summer should last three months like it does in California, not three days like it does in the Northwest. <br /><br />If I knew then what I know now, I never would have married that ***** and let her drag me up here. I desperately want to get back to California. <br /><br />The one good reason someone might want to play for UW, is it gives them a four year opportunity to realize how stupid it would be to want to live here beyond college. Of course, trying to get a job back in California after college is going to be harder for a UW grad than a Cal grad, so they could be as stuck as I am.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">kiddynamite;685525 said:</div><hr><br />I realize the Seattle weather is not for everyone. I personally prefer cooler temperatures to warmer ones.<br /><br />There is a reason Western Washington is so green.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I also love the year round cool climate and I love rain also so it's perfect for me, but definitely not for everyone. <br /><br />Also, it's stopped raining and started to snow again. The gods must be smiling on Cal today (and frowning on To$h).

<blockquote><div class="name-said">25To20;685655 said:</div><hr>If I knew then what I know now, I never would have married that ***** and let her drag me up here. I desperately want to get back to California.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Damn, 25to20. Tell us how you really feel man!<br /><br />In all fairness, Seattle does have a hip urban trendy side, kind of "SF lite". And the state of WA is pretty awesome, with lots of scenery and places to go. <br /><br />Plus Seattle is just 3 hours away from Vancouver, which I believe is EASILY the better of the two cities, though it also comes with lousy perma-gray weather.

And it's warmed clear up to 28.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">510Bear;685735 said:</div><hr>Damn, 25to20. Tell us how you really feel man!<br /><br />In all fairness, Seattle does have a hip urban trendy side, kind of "SF lite". And the state of WA is pretty awesome, with lots of scenery and places to go. <br /><br />Plus Seattle is just 3 hours away from Vancouver, which I believe is EASILY the better of the two cities, though it also comes with lousy perma-gray weather.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Very depressing grey............

Hey, again, in all fairness, it's fun to visit Seattle...and not just when you get home and say, thank G-d I live in this weather and not that weather. The Pac-12 is lucky to have Seattle in its lineup of gameday destinations.<br /><br />Looking forward to going up there in fall 2013 when Cal visits UW, i.e. the "We beat the stuffing out of you last year and now we know where sark and lupoi live" game.

Biggest problem with Seattle....Think GREY

<blockquote><div class="name-said">kiddynamite;685525 said:</div><hr>. I realize the Seattle weather is not for everyone. I personally prefer cooler temperatures to warmer ones.<hr></blockquote><br />The Bay Area is pretty cool temperature wise... And a lot sunnier.

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<blockquote><div class="name-said">68great;685447 said:</div><hr>I spent 2 years of my life in Tacoma (just about an hour's drive south of Seattle). If the weather forcast predicted 10% chance of rain, it meant that it would rain 10% of the day; 20% chance of rain meant it would rain 20% of the day, and so on.<br />Starting in October and going through into June, the sun RARELY ever came out, even on days it did not rain.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />That reminds me of Ann Arbor, where "partly cloudy" means the sun will peek through a small hole in the cloud cover for 10 minutes at some point during the day.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">north west cal fan;685433 said:</div><hr>1. Rain = Check the facts ...... It rains all the time, all year long.<br />2. Clouds = The few days it is not raining, the clouds are bound to be out<br />3. Sun? = Sunny days are numbered. We have to take vitamin D supplements just to stay healthy due to a lack of sun light. NO JOKE!<br /><br />As for football....... the stadium is cool but .....<br /><br /><ul><li>UW fans are older, wealthy people (generally speaking) and are very prim and proper. That leads to a lack of enthusiasm before, during and after the game.<br /><li>The student section is lame. Very little tradition.<br /><li>The walk up to the game is lame. It is all about getting into the stadium. Again, very little excitement.<br /><li>If it is raining on game day (which is probable) ..... it doesn't matter who is playing, the crowd diminishes and gets quiet.<br /><li>Not that the players would care too much about this but .... Worth mentioning that the tailgate ranks at the bottom of all the tailgating experiences that I have had (I go to a lot of stadiums and games as a Cal fan). Again, late arrivals jam packed parking lot, usually rain, etc.<br /></ul>Finally, before you commit to going to UW as a player, you should know that ..... your coaches will sell out on you for anything. They will preach to you loyalty, family and love and then deliver something else. <br /><br />So, if you want to live and play ball in the rain and clouds, be coached by fakes and have old timers as fans ....... UW is your place.<br /><br />Spoken from someone who lives here in WA and KNOWS!<br /><br />Go Bears!!!!<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You are correct about the weather. However, shortly after these assertions, your post loses all credibility. Harp on the weather all you want, but your statements about gameday atmosphere make me question whether you've ever been within 20 miles of Husky Stadium. UW consistently ranks near the top of all national lists for both gameday atmosphere and tailgating experiences. Lack of enthusiasm? HS holds the record for the loudest stadium EVER recorded by ESPN (<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc"""""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc"""""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc""""</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc""""</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc"""</a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc"""</a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc"""</a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc"""</a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc""</a>""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc""</a>""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc""</a>"</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc""</a>"</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc""</a></a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc""</a></a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc""</a></a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwE2LyzOvqc""</a></a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank">link</a><img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />">. Yes, it is usually gloomy here during the winter (cloudy more than actual rain- many other cities have more annual rainfall, even NYC has more), but your statements about gameday atmosphere are completely baseless. Ask anyone east of the Mississippi about gameday atmospheres and they'll tell you that the best on the west coast are Autzen and HS. One thing I can assure you: Memorial is nowhere on their list.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">north west cal fan;685433 said:</div><hr>1. Rain = Check the facts ...... It rains all the time, all year long.<br />2. Clouds = The few days it is not raining, the clouds are bound to be out<br />3. Sun? = Sunny days are numbered. We have to take vitamin D supplements just to stay healthy due to a lack of sun light. NO JOKE!<br /><br />As for football....... the stadium is cool but .....<br /><br /><ul><li>UW fans are older, wealthy people (generally speaking) and are very prim and proper. That leads to a lack of enthusiasm before, during and after the game.<br /><li>The student section is lame. Very little tradition.<br /><li>The walk up to the game is lame. It is all about getting into the stadium. Again, very little excitement.<br /><li>If it is raining on game day (which is probable) ..... it doesn't matter who is playing, the crowd diminishes and gets quiet.<br /><li>Not that the players would care too much about this but .... Worth mentioning that the tailgate ranks at the bottom of all the tailgating experiences that I have had (I go to a lot of stadiums and games as a Cal fan). Again, late arrivals jam packed parking lot, usually rain, etc.<br /></ul>Finally, before you commit to going to UW as a player, you should know that ..... your coaches will sell out on you for anything. They will preach to you loyalty, family and love and then deliver something else. <br /><br />So, if you want to live and play ball in the rain and clouds, be coached by fakes and have old timers as fans ....... UW is your place.<br /><br />Spoken from someone who lives here in WA and KNOWS!<br /><br />Go Bears!!!!<hr></blockquote><br /><br />For someone that claims to live there and knows, sure tosses out a lot of assumptions and exaggeration. As others have said, it doesn't rain all that much so you should check your facts. <br /><br />It is very cloudy though. It's very depressing in the winter. Although, I must admit it's very nice in the late spring and summer. Have mild weather and sunlight till 9pm or even later is pretty awesome. <br /><br />Like all cities, Seattle has it's pluses and minuses.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PurpleStiffler;685761 said:</div><hr>This line of thinking seems rather funny given the old quote<br />"The coldest winter i ever spent was a summer in San Francisco"<br /><br /><b>I realize Berkley isn't San Fran... but it's close enough.</b><br />It doesn't rain all the time in Seattle, that is a myth, just like the myth that none of the women at Cal shave their legs or their armpits, and none of the guys weigh more than 98 pounds... even with their long hippy hair dripping wet.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You must not know the Bay Area well. North, South and East of San Francisco, even just a few miles, makes a big difference in weather. In fact, I'd bet the North Bay, South Bay and East Bay, of which Berkeley is part, have some of the best weather in the world. Due to micro climates the San Francisco climate is, on average, cold but the surrounding areas have beautiful climates, not too hot or too cold.

Just take a drive from Fairfax (Marin), up 101 to Sausalito, across the GG into SF, over the BB into Emeryville, and up 80 into Berkeley. All micro climates with very different weather patterns. <br /><br />As far as the Husky fanbase and atmosphere are concerned, I went to a game in the 90s and they had one of the loudest and craziest venues I ever experienced. Six years ago, I went again and the level of energy was noticeably missing. Seattle is still a helluva city but in between, I was bored out of my mind. Spent the rest of the trip fishing. As an angler, oh man....the fishing was out of this world.

If weather was the biggest issue for recruits, they'd all go to fUcla or $C, not Seattle, Berkeley, Eugene, Norman, South Bend or Ann Arbor. That said, LA SUCKS and the weather in Seattle really is shite. Next argument PLEASE?!

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PurpleStiffler;686051 said:</div><hr>The same thing is true in the Seattle area. And the guy saying it sucks in Seattle because it sucked in Tacoma doesn't get it. Nor does the guy that said he lives just North of Seattle. It also rains a lot more up there due to how he weather flows around our multiple mountain ranges here.<br /><br />Thanks for acknowledging that micro climates exist. <br /><br />The official rain gauge for our area is at SeaTac airport, which exists between Seattle and Tacoma, and has a different micro climate than Seattle does.<br /><br />I'm not saying your weather sucks, I'm saying Seattle isn't as bad as some of you guys are trying to make it sound. I just found the old quote funny.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><br /><br />Seattle weather is much worse compared to the bay area. Berkeley is a mix between oakland and SF weather wise. <br /><br />Oakland (SF weather is unique in the bay. Berk is closer to oakland): rainy days- 64. <br />Seattle: 152<br /><br />Hours of Sunshine in SF: 3,062<br />Hours of sunshine in Seattle: 2,174. <br />MAJOR DIFFERENCE.<br /><br />High in december and january: SF- 58 degrees. Low 46 degrees. <br />High in december and january: Seattle: 45 degrees. Low- 35 degrees. <br /><br />Seattle weather is crappy, face it.

I like the puget sound area. Great place to purchase rental properties.

Nobody ever got skin cancer from the rain! A little fungus, perhaps, but.....

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PurpleStiffler;686522 said:</div><hr>Just look at the picture above.<br /><br />Yeah, it looks like it really sucks in Seattle.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Why do you care so much what people on a Cal forum think about Seattle weather? It's odd to say the least, unless you're hoping that recruits will read your posts and dismiss everything they've heard about the weather up here.<br /><br />And you lost any credibility with your claim that the Seattle 'microclimate' is significantly different than in Tacoma, which is 35 miles directly South of Seattle along the Sound.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">north west cal fan;685433 said:</div><hr>1. Rain = Check the facts ...... It rains all the time, all year long.<br />2. Clouds = The few days it is not raining, the clouds are bound to be out<br />3. Sun? = Sunny days are numbered. We have to take vitamin D supplements just to stay healthy due to a lack of sun light. NO JOKE!<hr></blockquote> <blockquote><div class="name-said">68great;685447 said:</div><hr>I spent 2 years of my life in Tacoma (just about an hour's drive south of Seattle). If the weather forcast predicted 10% chance of rain, it meant that it would rain 10% of the day; 20% chance of rain meant it would rain 20% of the day, and so on.<br />Starting in October and going through into June, the sun RARELY ever came out, even on days it did not rain.<hr></blockquote><br />[FONT=Arial Black][SIZE=2]ATTN Shaq & Jordan:[/SIZE][/FONT] <b><a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0"""""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0"""""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0""""</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0""""</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0"""</a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0"""</a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0"""</a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0"""</a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0""</a>""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0""</a>""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0""</a>"</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0""</a>"</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0""</a></a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0""</a></a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0""</a></a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mcBfMZal0""</a></a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank">VIDEO FOOTAGE of Seattle</a></b> for 85% of every year. Year after year. Month after month. Week after week. Day after day after day after day...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">PurpleStiffler;686843 said:</div><hr><br />Tell me again how the micro-climates between those two locations is so different, and why San Fran is known for having the coldest and foggiest summers in the country, but Berkeley is a lot better, because of their different micro-climates?<br /><br /><br />As to the Cal fan from Tacoma... he has bigger problems if that's the best place he could afford to live.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />You obviously have not lived in the Bay Area or spent much time there if you don't know that the East Bay has a much more moderate, Mediterranean if you will, climate than San Francisco. It makes sense when you see that SF is next to the Pacific Ocean while Berkeley is on the other side of the bay. <br /><br />As for Tacoma vs Seattle weather, again, you're an idiot and have no credibility. They are 30 miles North-South of each other, and no significant geographical features that would account for any significant climate difference. And stop being so p*ssed off that everyone is bashing the weather where you live, like grow a pair already.

Recruits need to realize that that heavy a consistent cloud cover can make you impotent.