<blockquote><div class="name-said">9thCircuitBear;686947 said:</div><hr>Originally Posted by <b>Papitobear</b><br /><i><b>There is NO WAY an assistant coach holds so much sway </b>other than the fact that BI is telling the WORLD and the kids who read that it's armageddon....which it is NOT!</i><br /><br /><br />this is absolutely correct. The real issue here is not even Tosh. Yes, he was a great recruiter, but he was a great recruiter for quite a few years before all this happened.<br /><br />The real issue are the people living in the pacific northwest themselves. These are butthurt people, many of whom got bounced out of CA for whatever reason because they couldn't cut it . . . maybe their job didn't work out, maybe they were wrongfully treated, etc. . . the reason doesnt matter. The issue is, they're bitter and have been that way for a long time. And their only release has been to go to the local FB stadium (whether at the aluminum kennel, paloos, nikeU, or beaverjack dam) and watch their team try to maul anyone with a CA jersey.<br /><br />The irony of their tradition is that they've had to rely on talented California athletes (the same people they dislike) to carry out their on-the-field ritual, and most of the young Californians they poached have been from nor-cal.<br /><br />So what changed this year? Why all the drama before signing day?<br /><br />This year the <b>[U]SAHPC [/U]</b>was completed. Now the people up there are panicking because they realize their tradition is coming to an end. The nor-cal talent they have relied on in the past is going to start staying in nor-cal. <br /><br />Those of you who point out that this is all about the recruits rather than coaches are correct -- and it is also much bigger than that: it is about AN OLD TRADITION BEING REPLACED BY A NEW ONE. And people are resistant to change.<br />:acclaim:<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Well, there's one tradition that doesn't seem to be changing at Cal. The "we don't have $$ to retain good people" refrain coming out of the ADs office. Seems like a serious enough problem to me.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">heartofthebear;687135 said:</div><hr>Well, there's one tradition that doesn't seem to be changing at Cal. The "we don't have $$ to retain good people" refrain coming out of the ADs office. Seems like a serious enough problem to me.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Honest question. What are you personally going to do about it? Will you up your contribution to Cal? Serious question, because you must realize that just complaining here won't change a thing. We need people like you who feel we need more resources to help provide those resources. Do we have your pledge? Because if it's just "I do enough", then it is no better than "we don't have the $$ to retain good people."

<blockquote><div class="name-said">9thCircuitBear;686947 said:</div><hr>...<br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br />I realize you've all had a rough week, but this post is pathetic.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">calbear93;687145 said:</div><hr>Honest question. What are you personally going to do about it? Will you up your contribution to Cal? Serious question, because you must realize that just complaining here won't change a thing. We need people like you who feel we need more resources to help providing those resources. Do we have your pledge? Because if it's just "I do enough", then it is no better than "we don't have the $$ to retain good people."<hr></blockquote><br /><br />First of all I did become a donor this year (end of last year).<br />Second of all, it's apples and oranges. Money that comes from Cal to the football program is an investment that then is reinvested in the university. So Cal has more of benefit in funding the program than I do because Cal does not use the profit they make off of football to fund me. yet they seem to have a problem helping themselves and I wonder why and if other schools are equally dysfunctional in the conference. And thanks for acknowledging that this is a serious question. People would rather complain about Tosh than discuss this.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">heartofthebear;687188 said:</div><hr>First of all I did become a donor this year (end of last year).<br />Second of all, it's apples and oranges. Money that comes from Cal to the football program is an investment that then is respent on Cal. So Cal has more of benefit in funding the program than I do because Cal does not use the profit they make off of football to fund me. yet they seem to have a problem helping themselves and I wonder why and if other schools are equally dysfunctional in the conference. And thanks for acknowledging that this is a serious question. People would rather complain about Tosh than discuss this.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I don't understand. So, you are just going to complain here instead of doing something to help our situation? If your excuse is that is is their problem and not yours, why are you complaining? If this did anything for me, it made me decide to up my contribution to Cal in general and to the sports program.

Treggs might just be saying this so that UCLA thinks they have a chance and throw their A team hostesses at him and not someone else.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">operbear;686717 said:</div><hr>The only time their state of mind is important is the time they are sending in their LOI. They remind me of 17 year old girls before the high school prom.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />OR 17 year old boys salivating over the 17 year old girls at the prom

<blockquote><div class="name-said">heartofthebear;687188 said:</div><hr>First of all I did become a donor this year (end of last year).<br />Second of all, it's apples and oranges. Money that comes from Cal to the football program is an investment that then is reinvested in the university. So Cal has more of benefit in funding the program than I do because Cal does not use the profit they make off of football to fund me. yet they seem to have a problem helping themselves and I wonder why and if other schools are equally dysfunctional in the conference. And thanks for acknowledging that this is a serious question. People would rather complain about Tosh than discuss this.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><br />Have you stopped to consider that maybe Cal is putting most/all their money into the SAHPC and the money-draining non-football sports and didn't have the funds to overpay their Assistant FB Coaches like Kiesau, whom you seem to admire for some silly reason?<br /><br />Have you stopped to consider that maybe the relatively youthful Tosh really, really was swayed by a Boat?<br /><br />How often do these, in lieu of a better term, "corporate raids" happen to Cal? Every 20 years or so? Every 5 years? Every 3 years?<br /><br />Seems INEVITABLE for any Quality Program. Boise State is raided every 1-2 years for their quality Assistants. On the end of the spectrum, some Programs suck so bad, their whole staff gets fired and their people have trouble finding work.<br /><br />In spite of your delusions, Kiesau is NOT worth the money UDud is paying him and Tosh may have been won over by a Boat and a bigger House. <br /><br />Don't know why you want to make the losses of 2 Assistant Coaches to be "pathological" in nature and symptoms of a disease inherent to Cal. What an gross exaggeration. You're not a Doctor, you're a Vulture.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">9thCircuitBear;686719 said:</div><hr>Lots of cal haters out there. Many people jealous of those with cal degrees.<br /><br />Goes with the territory<hr></blockquote><br /><br />So, what, if anything, do you have to do with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals?? Just curious....

<blockquote><div class="name-said">9thCircuitBear;687238 said:</div><hr>the troll becomes upset when it hears the truth. Face it, troll, the SAHPC just ended your talent pipeline. Either start teaching the youngsters in canada how to play football so you can compete 20 yrs from now or take up fishing/hunting instead.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Mr 77 posts, there isn't a facepalm image large enough to respond to you with.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">9thCircuitBear;687315 said:</div><hr>I'll take your word for it. I respect Bellotti - he laid the foundation that enabled Chip Kelly and Furd-alum-Phil to take over the conference.<br /><br />Doesnt change the fact that as an oregon fan, he doesn't want to hear the truth about the pacific NW.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />The truth about the Pacific NW?<br /><br />What the hell is that supposed to mean exactly?<br /><br />That it rains a bunch and doesn't produce nearly the number of D1 football athletes as California?<br /><br />I guess we'll just close up shop then.<br /><br />I mean, there's no way <a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://"www.oregongridiron.com"""""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"www.oregongridiron.com"""""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"www.oregongridiron.com""""</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"www.oregongridiron.com""""</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"www.oregongridiron.com"""</a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"www.oregongridiron.com"""</a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"www.oregongridiron.com"""</a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"www.oregongridiron.com"""</a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="http://"www.oregongridiron.com""</a>""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"www.oregongridiron.com""</a>""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"www.oregongridiron.com""</a>"</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"www.oregongridiron.com""</a>"</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"www.oregongridiron.com""</a></a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"www.oregongridiron.com""</a></a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"www.oregongridiron.com""</a></a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"www.oregongridiron.com""</a></a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank">Uncle Phil fueled Oregon</a> could ever hope to <a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500"""""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500"""""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500""""</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500""""</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500"""</a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500"""</a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500"""</a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500"""</a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="<a href="http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500""</a>""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500""</a>""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500""</a>"</a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500""</a>"</a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="<a href="http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500""</a></a>"" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500""</a></a>"</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a href="http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500""</a></a></a>" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://"http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205035352&DB_OEM_ID=500""</a></a></a></a> class="postlink " target="_blank">compete with the SAHPC.</a>

<blockquote><div class="name-said">9thCircuitBear;687432 said:</div><hr>I was looking at your avatar . . . please tell me, are all of those your planes yours or just one?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />please excuse me as I'm the new person, BUT . . . since when do we have so many "friends"? Now we have "friendly Ducks" and a "friendly rivalry with the Farm". Hello? Aren't we the program that's been screwed out of winning the conference for 50+ years? Has anyone thought that maybe these people aren't really our friends?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />With all respect, I don't think others have "screwed us out to winning the conference," we have simply not been able to field a team capable of winning the conference. We have competitors, yes, but I don't think they have been actively trying to screw us. We seem to do that quite well ourselves.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Holmoephobic;686682 said:</div><hr><br /><br />Perhaps Tedford -- and the rest of his staff -- need to put in more effort on the recruiting trail and not delegate so much responsibility to one person.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />perhaps I am wrong on this, but I though that the number of in home visits for a HC were limited to one, while an assistant could have more - actually it's once a week for assistants, but only during contact period which basically runs for the two months of dec and jan, with a few dead days. <br /><br /><a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/columns/story?columnist=conley_bill&id=3220048""""" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/columns/story?columnist=conley_bill&id=3220048""""</a> class="postlink " target="_blank"><a 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