I'm an avid lurker of these boards and have continuously checked in here throughout the recruiting period, however this is my first time ever posting on here. I'm sure this has already been discussed on these boards through and through, but I still can't understand the Daily Cal printing this lame excuse for an article about Cal Football the day we bring in a very solid recruiting class. 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target="_blank">http://www.dailycal.org/2012/02/01/dont-look-back-in-anger/</a></a><br</a></a></a></a> /><br />And I'd love to share my response to Jack which I posted under the username: Suck My Wang:<br /><br />Are you #$%&ing kidding me Wang? I am a proud alumni class of 2005, my first year at Cal was the extremely painful 1-11 final season of Holmoe. By your rationale we shoulda kept Holmoe, and gave up on trying to improve the program whatsoever. It's shortsighted idiots like you that threaten to keep Cal a perennial loser on the field and in the public perception. The program has grown leaps and bounds since my freshman year. Sure there have been disappointments on the field, what program doesn't witness that? It might be easy for you to make these brazen remarks from the comfort of your Unit 3 dorm room as you intermittently write and yank off to web porn and think you're a football expert because you played a good season on NCAA 2012. We should be celebrating the fact that we pulled in an excellent class DESPITE all the adversity that these recruits, our coaches, and the entire program has had to endure the past couple months. I think that is the true test of a strong program. And this article is the true test of a piece of **** writer, I truly hope that no newspaper in their right mind would want to "Recruit" you after you graduate Cal. Suck it! <br /><br /><br /><br />Ahhhhhh that felt better. Nice to finally have posted on this board. Looking forward to next season, GO BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:acclaim:

You know, it's one thing for him to have a defeatist attitude about Cal athletics... I've known a few of those in my day.<br /><br />But to also look down upon Cal as an university independent of athletics, with his snide comment about failed Ivies? I mean, seriously, who is this guy? What planet is he from?

Welcome to BearInsider- I think you'll fit right in :-)

100% agree. While his regard to the football program was my main point of frustration, I could hardly believe my eyes when i read that. I have NEVER heard anyone, albeit some pompous Ivy league asshole himself, especially a CAL student, call our school/program second rate to these other institutions. It scares me this guy gets published.

I suppose I can understand where Wang is coming from, though I disagree with Wang strongly. At any rate, it was an extremely ill-timed article.

I really wish someone from the university could somehow step in. Not actually trying to outlaw what he said, because that would be censorship, but just pulling him aside and explaining that saying things like this publicly undermine the PR work that lots of people are trying to do. Make him feel bad in a way internet comments can't.

He's a kid in college who hasn't caught on to the full set of values that makes Cal great. For me, it came a little after I graduated and maturation takes time.<br /><br />As great as Daily Cal is, and it is, it's still run by college students who, compared to alumni, don't have as broad of a perspective on Cal and life in general.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">LafayetteBear;701936 said:</div><hr>Perhaps you should continue with your prior pattern of lurking rather than posting. Either that, or give Shaggy Bevo a whirl.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Nah, i think I'll give up the lurking. I'm too passionate about the team, the school, and the future of the program to keep on reading these boards idly without contributing. Apologies if you didn't enjoy my juvenile humor, sometimes when I'm heated I resort to middle school tactics. So it was probably best that I've been lurking these past couple months otherwise I don't know what the hell I woulda let myself post. But, I'm here to support the team whose colors I bleed, and share good conersation with fellow Cal fans....Lord knows it's tough living in the sea of FUCLA and U$C fans they call LA. GO BEARS!

The Ivy League reference is odd - I didn't apply to any Ivies because I decided to stay in the Bay Area, but I spoke to several of them and was told my chances of getting in were excellent. I never once thought Cal was a consolation prize - and what the hell does that have to do with football?

There was a pretty large thread about this and an ensuing Twitter onslaught. I know we hate to admit this, but there are plenty of people who think like this at Cal and at a lot of schools. He has a right to his opinion. I've read some of his other work and he's clearly anti-sports and has the defeatist attitude as pointed out. <br /><br />I was heated reading it because its a slap in the face of every athlete who puts on the blue and gold here. I'm hoping someone with journalistic ability and appreciation of football writes the counterpoint.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">ISweatBlueGold;701939 said:</div><hr>He's a kid in college who hasn't caught on to the full set of values that makes Cal great. <hr></blockquote><br /><br />No, he's a lonely douche bag who shouldn't have been accepted to Berkeley in the first place. "You came here because your parents wanted you to, because you didn't get into the Ivies or because you fell in love with the Bay. " Seriously, wow! I think Jack Wang is providing a serious argument for an interview added to the Berkeley admissions process.

That was funny

Who is the genius at Daily Cal who thought he should write a commentary on Cal sports? Doesn't seem like he even understands anything about CFB. If we need to upgrade our program, maybe we start with upgrading the columnist from Daily Cal.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">ISweatBlueGold;701939 said:</div><hr>He's a kid in college who hasn't caught on to the full set of values that makes Cal great. For me, it came a little after I graduated and maturation takes time.<br /><br />As great as Daily Cal is, and it is, it's still run by college students who, compared to alumni, don't have as broad of a perspective on Cal and life in general.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />DC great...since when? Wang and his swarmy smile represent that handful of students that sit back, talk **** all day about their peers and believe because they're 'journalists' it's their duty, their responsibility, to stir-the-pot and call things out. Never mind if any of it makes sense, has any relevance or, just is out in left-field. His colleagues are congratulating him for kicking the hornet's nest and are keeping score on all the hate mail he's getting, like it's a badge of honor.<br /><br />As one of the comments said, Wang just needs to bend over and punch himself in the nuts a couple of times.

I was more pissed off reading this kid's article than reading all the udumb and fucla f*cks gloating about stealing our commits. <br /><br />This kid obviously doesn't know that our athletic program is actually very well regarded nation wide. Especially amongst the ivy crowd. Considering I attended one for grad school, I'll take my word over his. Furthermore, he clearly doesn't care about sending out such a negative message on NSD to the awesome recruits we DID get. This is now their university too, no need to bring it down. <br /><br />No, the only thing he cared about was pissing people off, raising eyebrows, and gaining readers. Well done. <br /><br />With friends like Wang, who needs enemies?

Ha ha ha. People are unloading their frustration over the recruiting misses on this poor sap, who walked into the den of hungry lions by writing this misplaced article. For your entertainment, here are some funny ones:<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr>Hey loser! You are a joke! Somebody needs to punch you in the nuts!<br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr> This is truly pathetic. You should resign from this post.<br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr> Wow, you know NOTHING about competing and striving.<br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr> You are a moron. I don't think we got any 5* writers at the DC (Daily Cal) either. You have never known Cal FB. EVER.<br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr> Suck my wang, Jack! And why don't you F.O. while you are at it. One of the first lessons of public speaking, or writing: Consider your audience! When your mom or dad, or loved one suddenly dies, I'm going to come and tell you how nobody lives forever, they had it coming, and worms will soon be coursing thru their eyes while maggots wiggle thru their brains. If I actually did that, would you consider that rude? Ah, don't worry, I would next suggest you take a 15 minute walk, then do a yoga class. Suddenly, you won't care about your mom, your dad, your loved one. Namaste!<br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr> Seriously. Stanford just reeled in a top 5 class but Berkeley is supposed to be content? Jack, punch yourself in the nuts.<br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr> This is the worst Cal sports article i have ever read.<br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br />Out of 100 responses, I could find only 1 that defended and agreed with the author. He obviously thought he was being intriguing and insightful. Try again... At least he offered us this - a diversion from complaining about Tosh. It's like that game (1999) at Stanford where we lost something like 35-0, but stayed after in the stands to watch the Cal fans snake thru the furds on the field and rip apart the Tree to shreds. Maybe Jack Wang is the Tree in disguise. Hmmm...

<blockquote><div class="name-said">adamlovescal;701949 said:</div><hr>Nah, i think I'll give up the lurking. I'm too passionate about the team, the school, and the future of the program to keep on reading these boards idly without contributing. Apologies if you didn't enjoy my juvenile humor, <b>sometimes when I'm heated I resort to middle school tactics.</b> So it was probably best that I've been lurking these past couple months otherwise I don't know what the hell I woulda let myself post. But, I'm here to support the team whose colors I bleed, and share good conersation with fellow Cal fans....Lord knows it's tough living in the sea of FUCLA and U$C fans they call LA. GO BEARS!<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Grow the **** up<br /><br />I didn't like the article any better than you did, but that's no reason to revert to being a 12 year old. You guys should ****ing know better.

I recommend bombarding the Editor in Chief's inbox. Here is his info. This is how a newspaper is held accountability by their audience.<br /><br />Tomer Ovadia<br />Editor in Chief and President<br /><a href="mailto:editor@dailycal.org" class="postlink" target="_blank">editor@dailycal.org</a>

My favorite - <br /><br />Seriously. Stanford just reeled in a top 5 class but Berkeley is supposed to be content? Jack, punch yourself in the nuts.

There's so much FAIL in this opinion piece it's not even funny.<br /><br />1. Not sure who gave him this job. Definitely the wrong person for it.<br /><br />2. Attitudes like this work against the school. <br /><br />3. Where is there any real journalism in this piece? Does he give any new/insightful information or position on the matter? Did he dig into the cause of the problems? Was there a quote from a key person who has insight or power over such matters? <br /><br />No no no. <br /><br />All it is is a hater's rant and is no better than something found on a random sports message board.

I'm more pissed at him suggesting so many of us chose Berkeley as a back-up school.

Anyone know how to get in contact with the Daily Cal. We got an army here ready to get this guy booted. <br /><br />I will gladly send in a letter.

You guys seriously need to relax. It's just one young, immature kid's opinion. He probably wasn't thinking too much when writing it, and is getting enough backlash as it is already. He probably feels like crap right now; send some constructive criticism instead of hate.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr>With friends like Wang, who needs enemies?<hr></blockquote><br /><br />The sad thing is that this seems to be Cal football's slogan. It just seems like most other programs have the people who are supposed to be on their side actually on their side instead of working against them...more of an "all in" mentality.<br /><br />I'm not talking about message board posters (every team has all kinds) but rather administration, local press, city government, neighbors, etc.

If the daily cal's goal was to gain a response to pay attention to their piddly paper then they succeeded. Now people are going to pick up the paper to see what outrageous thing this guy wrote next. It works for ESPN with that monumental douche, Skip Bayless. Just take the opposite position of any rationale or popular opinion and stick to it til you're blue in the face.

Hey, I didn't like the article either, but give the kid a break! His middle name is Off.

Strikes me that

A) His points about the difficulty of Cal becoming a "football power" have been long discussed in BI and have usually fractured into three camps: Won't be's; Could be's; and Should be's.

B) I think there is an interesting "nugget" in there (which also is a theme on these boards) that our recruiting the past 3 years has been, to use a term, "brittle" and that the loss of To$h suggested (and I think Tedford gets this) that especially in respect to social media the rest of the staff/football program needs to up its game. Some of that, bluntly, is going to be contributed by our recruits. Treggs is EN FUEGO on twitter. I am loving that kid in a big way.

C) His last paragraph, however, is just ridiculous. I am sorry that Cal was his "safety school". Kinda sad he doesn't really want to be there. The VAST majority of both Cal Students and Cal alumni are not eating at the Gourmet Ghetto on Vine. And MANY Cal students in Scores of academic departments came to Cal because it, by far, was the best possible choice for them and were THRILLED when they were accepted.

It's actually a nicely written piece. LOL@all you angry old bears over his "defeatist" tone and Ivy reject comment. Grow a pair already.

The problem with deadlines is sometimes you get forced articles that are written simply for the sake of having something to publish. I found this article lame. They can do better.

Repost from other thread on this topic...

He's perpetuating the loser mentality and that, I can't abide. 50+ years of institutional and cultural disdain for Cal Athletics is long enough. We are a great university because we excel academically across the board. This notion that we can't do it athletically without harming academics is BS. They do not have to be mutually exclusive (see our rival). They can both be beneficial to our overall brand if done well. We just spent half a billion dollars to what? Hear some dork tell us that we'll never compete in football at a high level? Stanfurd, Michigan and even sometimes Northwestern, all do it without compromising their academic status. This article was written by the stereotypical Cal student that many unfamiliar with our diverse university accept to be the norm. His position is ridiculous and one that I cannot disagree with more.

......exhale

Bearsph74;702187 said:

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The problem with deadlines is sometimes you get forced articles that are written simply for the sake of having something to publish. I found this article lame. They can do better.

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Agreed.
I think that I'll send the Managing Editor a kindly worded e-mail to express my disappointment that an article like this even made it into the hopper. Very poor indeed.

clkiggins2008;702025 said:

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Anyone know how to get in contact with the Daily Cal. We got an army here ready to get this guy booted.

I will gladly send in a letter.

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I'll donate $100 if they fire Jack Wang. But the donation will be to the football program . . .

TheScientist;702022 said:

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I'm more pissed at him suggesting so many of us chose Berkeley as a back-up school.

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I got a full scholarship offer from Dartmouth, but instead paid my way through Cal with the help of loans. It was where *I* wanted to go to school - the flagship campus of the best university system in the world. My parents would've been thrilled for me wherever I ended up. Not all parents are like his parents pushing for Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, MIT, and Yale and considering any other school to be a failure. Heck, on the East Coast even Stanford is considered a bit of a joke compared to the Ivy League - on par with Duke.


I knew a kid while at Cal who was getting "poor grades" (B's) and was afraid it would hurt his chances for business school. He lasted three semesters before he transferred out to somewhere less brutal where he felt he would get better grades. The school he ended up at was Brown. That was good for a semester full of laughs for the rest of us. Yes, I am really sorry that I didn't go to a prestigious Ivy like Brown.


Cal's best are right up there with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Caltech, and Stanford and better than other prestigious schools like Columbia, Cornell, Penn, and the lesser Ivy League schools.


Overall because of the size of the student body and UC's mandate to take the top 10% in the State it's easier to get into Cal than it is into some of those other schools and maybe Jack has a point there. The bottom tiers of Cal's student body probably have no business rubbing shoulders with intellectual giants like GWB at a school like Harvard. However, his comment is utterly insulting to much of the student body. He should speak for himself.

OskiMD;702158 said:

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It's actually a nicely written piece. LOL@all you angry old bears over his "defeatist" tone and Ivy reject comment. Grow a pair already.

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You think this is "nice" writing?

Quote:

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I bet you're upset. Your blood is coursing bluer and golder than ever before, your righteous fury making Menelaus' rage seem but a polite objection.

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It sounds like a high school sophomore trying to sound sophisticated.