A Change in LOI/Recruiting I'd like to see

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sp4149
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Simply, the LOI should not be binding until it has a matching scholarship.
If a school doesn't match the LOI with a scholarship within 5 days, the LOI is void. Since there are 85 football scholarships (75 if you are SC), a unique two digit number can be assigned to each scholarship (1-85). If a school over-recruits, all LOIs without scholarships would be voided; the student athlete can still enroll as a preferred walk-on or send a new LOI elsewhere.

Caveat: This may result in more schools not renewing scholarships for marginal players, in order to sign more HS prospects. Any player who loses his scholarship in this manner should be immediately eligible to play the next season for any other team.

These high school seniors are making a binding commitment, the colleges should commit with the scholarship in an equally timely fashion. If the school does not, then the HS prospect should be released from the LOI commitment.
socaltownie
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My "prefered" strategy (and I actually wouldn't be surprised someday to see this if there becomes a concern about "parity" that starts to eat into TV contracts) is something akin to "match day" at Medical School internship programs. Athletes would list their top choices. Programs would list, in order, their top picks. Then you start matching. If at the end there are students and programs unfilled, then you have a round of recruiting.

The best part of this - it has the potentially to RADICALLY reduce the amount of semi-corruption in the part of the NCAA where the corruption lies - the recruiting practices. Would be a radical change but I think it would serve both the schools and the kids well.
Cal8285
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sp4149;702260 said:

Simply, the LOI should not be binding until it has a matching scholarship. . . .

These high school seniors are making a binding commitment, the colleges should commit with the scholarship in an equally timely fashion. If the school does not, then the HS prospect should be released from the LOI commitment.
The school IS making a binding commitment. The school is bound to give the athlete a scholarship for one year. There will be conditions, generally to qualify academically, the most common condition being high school graduation. But the conditions aren't under the control of the coach, they are generally under the "control" of the athlete.

Now, this doesn't mean that coaches can't oversign. Most coaches who oversign do so figuring some of their athletes aren't going to qualify academically. If they do oversign and don't get it taken care of through non-qualifiers, then they are left trying to persuade a player here or there to not take a scholarship, and it can be pretty easy to do that if you really want.

"Sure, you'll get a scholarship for a year, but I won't let you play on the team, so if you actually want to play, you should go somewhere else." This almost never happens, but it wouldn't violate the LOI. More likely, "Based on who ended up coming here, I don't see you ever getting playing time here, but you're free to stick with the team and see what happens." A lot of guys will bail with that. Or, "How about you voluntarily delay enrollment until next spring so you don't act as a counter for this year?" I.e., "How about you voluntarily 'greyshirt'?" It is "voluntary," but the subtext is, the coaches will be really happy with you if you do that and will be pissed if you don't, and who wants to start off a relationship with the coaches where the coaches are pissed? How likely are you to get playing time ever in the next four years if you do that? Most guys asked to greyshirt will greyshirt.

But the LOI is binding on the school, even if it oversigns.
socaltownie
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And a nice recap of why scholarships should be four year binding commitments between players and coaches.
UrsaMajor
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Exactly. That is one of the proposals from the NCAA, but, of course, the SEC/USC/Oregons of the world want no part of that.
calbear93
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UrsaMajor;702472 said:

Exactly. That is one of the proposals from the NCAA, but, of course, the SEC/USC/Oregons of the world want no part of that.


Not sure why you included Oregon and USC. I don't recall reading that Oregon cut players. With respect to SC, I remember them not filling their class most years and giving some leftovers to walk-on players. What they did this year was cold (and I'm not sure how many were asked to leave and how many left voluntarily), but it was just their attempt to survive the sanctions. I would say that UCLA this year was probably as close to SEC tactics as I've seen in the Pac-12, but our conference isn't known for oversigning.
heech
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socaltownie;702316 said:

My "prefered" strategy (and I actually wouldn't be surprised someday to see this if there becomes a concern about "parity" that starts to eat into TV contracts) is something akin to "match day" at Medical School internship programs. Athletes would list their top choices. Programs would list, in order, their top picks. Then you start matching. If at the end there are students and programs unfilled, then you have a round of recruiting.

The best part of this - it has the potentially to RADICALLY reduce the amount of semi-corruption in the part of the NCAA where the corruption lies - the recruiting practices. Would be a radical change but I think it would serve both the schools and the kids well.

Dude, I would love that. That's a great friggin' idea.

But in practice, very difficult to coordinate.... you might come out of match with 10 OL and no WRs. That would not be ideal.
socaltownie
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heech;702534 said:

Dude, I would love that. That's a great friggin' idea.

But in practice, very difficult to coordinate.... you might come out of match with 10 OL and no WRs. That would not be ideal.


Maybe. Residency programs seem to manage it just fine - with many more internship programs trying to match up with many more graduating Drs. with a TON more challenges such as trailing spouse or 2 married would-be residences.

The likely way to handle that problem is strategic ranking. Schools probably wouldn't fully offer all 25 so there would be a subsequent "open" recruitment to ensure some balance.
sp4149
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Cal8285;702398 said:

The school IS making a binding commitment. The school is bound to give the athlete a scholarship for one year. There will be conditions, generally to qualify academically, the most common condition being high school graduation. But the conditions aren't under the control of the coach, they are generally under the "control" of the athlete.
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But the LOI is binding on the school, even if it oversigns.


The following quote from an article on oversigning says exactly the opposite.
Quoting from this linked article: http://collegefootball.about.com/od/rulesofthegame/a/Oversigning-College-Footballs-Hidden-Problem_2.htm


The Elliott Porter situation speaks to the very reason oversigning.com exists. Elliott Porter was one of the first verbal commitments to LSU's 2010 recruiting class and signed a letter of intent with LSU on National Signing Day. Elliott enrolled early and was on campus for summer conditioning when he got the news that Les Miles had made the decision that there wouldn't be room for him in the 2010 recruiting class and that the only way that he could remain at LSU was if he would accept a greyshirt, pay his own way and rejoin the football team in January of 2011.

Porter, outraged and disappointed at the news, refused the greyshirt offer and asked to be released from his letter of intent, which is a one-way binding agreement, so that he could find another school to go to on scholarship. He eventually landed at Kentucky on scholarship, but not before airing his grievances with Les Miles and LSU. According to Porter, he was never asked or warned about the possibility of having to take a greyshirt; he was completely caught off guard at the last minute.

[COLOR="red"]The Letter of Intent that high school recruits sign is a one-way binding agreement that prevents players from changing their mind and going to another school between the period that they sign the letter, which is in February of their senior year of high school, and the time they actually arrive on campus, which sometimes is as late as August of the same year.[/COLOR] Once a recruit signs the letter of intent, they "belong" to the school so to speak, and the only way they can get out of that agreement is to ask the school to sign a release. [COLOR="red"]The issue with this agreement is that the school is not obligated to give the recruit a scholarship; in fact, they are not obligated to do anything as a result of accepting a signed letter of intent. It is simply a signed agreement by the recruit to attend a certain school and it prohibits the recruit from being able to accept grants-in-aid from another university[/COLOR].

Certain coaches, such as Huston Nutt, Les Miles and Nick Saban, have used the LOI as a tool to keep recruits from going to other schools despite not actually having room for them. The NCAA by-laws state that a school can only have 25 new scholarship players enter the program every year and a max of 85 total players on the roster, [COLOR="Red"]but there is nothing that limits the letters of intent they can accept and nothing that binds the school to honor the letter of intent with an actual scholarship.[/COLOR] Coaches can technically sign as many players as their conference will allow them and prior to 2009 the SEC had no limits on the number of players the coaches could sign. This is only part of the problem. In addition to being able to accept an unlimited amount of signed letters of intent, coaches have found that they can hedge their bets against future attrition (medical, grades, arrests, etc) by oversigning their roster, which is done by accepting more letters of intent than you have room for under the 85 scholarship limit.
socaltownie
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SP 4149.

WOW!!! I have got to stop reading this board or by the time I am finished I will hate college football and find something else to do on Saturdays. That, frankly, sucks big time.
calbear93
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socaltownie;702616 said:

SP 4149.

WOW!!! I have got to stop reading this board or by the time I am finished I will hate college football and find something else to do on Saturdays. That, frankly, sucks big time.


I also did not know that. What the freak is wrong with the NCAA?
WildBear
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socaltownie;702562 said:

Maybe. Residency programs seem to manage it just fine - with many more internship programs trying to match up with many more graduating Drs. with a TON more challenges such as trailing spouse or 2 married would-be residences.

The likely way to handle that problem is strategic ranking. Schools probably wouldn't fully offer all 25 so there would be a subsequent "open" recruitment to ensure some balance.


Except recruits dont get to pick which college they go to. WOuld you want to pick a college on some logarithm? Seriously?
calbear93
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WildBear;702639 said:

Except recruits dont get to pick which college they go to. WOuld you want to pick a college on some logarithm? Seriously?


What I would like is for a player to be able to sign a scholarship agreement (forget LOI) at any time with a school during his senior year. Forces schools and recruits to actually commit instead of giving meaningless offers and commitments until some magical and arbitrary date in February.
socaltownie
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WildBear;702639 said:

Except recruits dont get to pick which college they go to. WOuld you want to pick a college on some logarithm? Seriously?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Resident_Matching_Program

It also entails, critically, rank ordering by both the program and the student. It works.
Cal8285
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sp4149;702600 said:

The following quote from an article on oversigning says exactly the opposite.
The article isn't distinguishing between the binding legal effect and the practical effect. It IS a two-way deal, technically. The school is bound by the rules of the NLOI to give a scholarship. Doesn't mean the school has to give him a place on the football team. Doesn't mean that coaches won't act like they can force the guy out. So as a practical matter, it winds up being a one way deal.

The coach can say, "If you turn down a greyshirt, you are dead to me." And what is the player going to do? Either take the greyshirt or work out a deal to leave. The coach can simply say, "I don't want you here, there's no place for you on the team." And the player can still essentially screw the coach out of a counter by staying and not getting to play football, only getting one year worth of a scholarship, but then the coach can pull the scholly after one year and the player ends up waiting 2 years to play, whereas if he cooperates, he can probably get a scholarship to some other school to play right away.

Even with a 4 year scholarship, the coach can still say, "You're still on scholly, but you're not playing football anymore." If the guy cares about playing football, he'll leave.

If the article means it is one-way as a practical matter, that is right, almost no player would ever hold the school to his rights under the LOI, unless he has no real desire to play college football. Right to one year's worth of full financial aid does not equal a right to play.
UrsaMajor
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What the freak is wrong with the NCAA?[/QUOTE said:



Everything.
UrsaMajor
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Yes they would. The way it would work is that the recruit would rank-order the schools he wanted to go to. He would be "matched" at the highest choice of his that offered a scholarship. Thus, if Joe Wideout was interested in Cal, USC, and UW in that order, if Cal offered, that would be his match, if not, then he would go to USC if they offered and so on.
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