I know he lives in the Bay Area and helps out QB prospects through word of mouth connections. There was an article in the SF Chron today about how he tutored the two backup QBs for the Niners (Johnson and Kaepernick). Is there a reason why we don't bring him out during the summer to help our QB's? I know there is a limit to the number of coaches we can have on staff, and coaches cannot run practices off season, but maybe he could meet with them on their own?

Seems like we have a good resource with Cal connections (maybe they are not good) that could help our QB's develop.

Go Bears!

We have a guru already?

petalumabear;730230 said:

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We have a guru already?

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Yeah we have a Guru. There can only be one Guru. There might be some sort of blackhole if two were in one place.

unless of course ours really isn't the guru

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unless of course ours really isn't the guru


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He didn't just tutor the niners backups - he also has worked for years with Kline (since he was 11 or something) and has been working with Jared Goff.

Does anyone know if Theder will/can continue to work with Kline now that he's enrolled? CalGaoTe you there?

Unit2Sucks;730267 said:

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He didn't just tutor the niners backups - he also has worked for years with Kline (since he was 11 or something) and has been working with Jared Goff.

Does anyone know if Theder will/can continue to work with Kline now that he's enrolled? CalGaoTe you there?

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Presumably, Kline's family paid for his lessons with Roger Theder. I don't think the NCAA would outlaw that any more than they would his parent's paying for his car, his clothes, etc. It would be another thing, though, if anyone from the Cal program also attended the lessons.

SacCityBear;730274 said:

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Leinart continued to have his personal QB coach him while at USC. I remember there was an issue with him attending USC practices, but I cannot remember what it was. (likely it counted as exceeding the allowed number of coaches)

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Are some of you not aware that Theder was the Bear coach way back when?

Zach will go see Roger when he has time, as his other college enrolled students have, but Roger hasn't charged zach for years. Zach actually has loggednmore sessions withnRoger than anyone else. He started with him at age 11. Roger is much more than a QB coach to him now.

He runs his 'coaching business'...he gets paid for his services, not something Cal would/could do.

I am. Theder was oc and then head coach at Cal (qb coach on Stanford's Rose Bowl teams of 70 and 71 when Ralston was hc). Very fine technician, nice guy, but couldn't make it as hc. I think he went on the coach in the pros for a few years then founded his business.
Theder was one of those ruined by Maggard's overbearing and incompetent interference. When Maggard insisted on the hiring of Mouse Davis and the use of the run and shoot offense, it doomed Theder as hc. That and the injury to qb Gale Gilbert in the opener against Texas A&M did him in. As I understand it, this left Theder very bitter about his experience at Cal.

CAL6371;730348 said:

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I am. Theder was oc and then head coach at Cal (qb coach on Stanford's Rose Bowl teams of 70 and 71 when Ralston was hc). Very fine technician, nice guy, but couldn't make it as hc. I think he went on the coach in the pros for a few years then founded his business.
Theder was one of those ruined by Maggard's overbearing and incompetent interference. When Maggard insisted on the hiring of Mouse Davis and the use of the run and shoot offense, it doomed Theder as hc. That and the injury to qb Gale Gilbert in the opener against Texas A&M did him in. As I understand it, this left Theder very bitter about his experience at Cal.

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That '81 game against A&M was my first game as a season ticket holder. I remember it well, and not in a good way. The next season, when Joe Kapp was hired as Head Coach, he pointed out that our best offensive player was Tight End David Lewis, but the Run and Shoot Offense doesn't use a Tight End, so it was a very dumb move. For all of Kapp's faults as a Head Coach, he got that one right. When Gilbert went down against TAMU in '81, the season was really destroyed. I remember that Theder's son later played for Stanfurd, and his feelings about Cal after his Dad's experience as HC was said to have greatly influenced his decision on where to go to school.

CalGaoTe;730339 said:

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Zach will go see Roger when he has time, as his other college enrolled students have, but Roger hasn't charged zach for years. Zach actually has loggednmore sessions withnRoger than anyone else. He started with him at age 11. Roger is much more than a QB coach to him now.

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Thanks CGT - I love how refined Kline's mechanics are. Probably the first QB we've had since AR where there hasn't been a lot of discussion around apparently flaws in either delivery or footwork. I would be surprised if Arroyo or Tedford tinker at all with that aspect of Zach's game.

Many former players and coaches offer their services for free or a fee to young, up and coming players. They have camps and/or tutor kids. Nothing improper.

Might want to edit that phrase to avoid any misunderstandings.

:rant

CAL6371;730348 said:

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I am. Theder was oc and then head coach at Cal (qb coach on Stanford's Rose Bowl teams of 70 and 71 when Ralston was hc). Very fine technician, nice guy, but couldn't make it as hc. I think he went on the coach in the pros for a few years then founded his business.
Theder was one of those ruined by Maggard's overbearing and incompetent interference. When Maggard insisted on the hiring of Mouse Davis and the use of the run and shoot offense, it doomed Theder as hc. That and the injury to qb Gale Gilbert in the opener against Texas A&M did him in. As I understand it, this left Theder very bitter about his experience at Cal.

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I had some interactions with Coach Theder when he was at Cal and, each time, he proved to be one of the truly nice guys in college football.

As a coach, he was good at Xs and Os, identifying/developing talent and assembling a staff.

Recruiting was his weakest asset, though. However, at that time, the odds were stacked against attracting top athletes to Cal: We were still tarnished by the "sixties" image, in the minds of many (especially recruits' parents), the facilities were horrible and the administration and faculty were often openly hostile.

Yeah, he is DEFINITELY not associated with Cal any more. His last year and his termination left him with some bad feelings, I believe. His son later played at Stanfurd.

Let's all leave the lawyering to lawyers. Roger charges a declining fee scale based on number of visits. You pay more for first several, then less for next several and so on. Eventually you have paid 100%. If theder stopped charging him, it was because he received his payments in advance as a pre-payment of later lessons.

Tom Brady, for example, went back to his QB guru from high school days through out his college and pro career. The guy died recently however.

SacCityBear;730372 said:

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If what you are saying is true, Kline has lost his amateur status due to accepting impermissible benefits.

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Exactly my first thought.

CalGaoTe;730421 said:

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Let's all leave the lawyering to lawyers. Roger charges a declining fee scale based on number of visits. You pay more for first several, then less for next several and so on. Eventually you have paid 100%. If theder stopped charging him, it was because he received his payments in advance as a pre-payment of later lessons.

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First he doesn't pay anymore, now he prepaid...lol. lawyer or not, that info is common knowledge as an impermissible benefit

only on a Cal board would people be looking to make their own team's star qb recruit ineligible. :headbang

Son-of-California;730378 said:

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Many former players and coaches offer their services for free or a fee to young, up and coming players. They have camps and/or tutor kids. Nothing improper.

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Think about AAU basketball--often free coaching, uniforms, sneakers, tutoring, travel expenses and it isn't offered to anyone, just top basketball players.

Same with kids that scholarships to private high schools to play basketball.

Try reading again. Say Theder charges 1000 dollars total for his service and charges a diminishing amount based on the number of visits. For example, 50 a visit for the first 10, 20 for the second 10, 10 a visit for the next 30. After that, if the teacher and student decide to continue the 1000 (full fee) has already been paid. It is perfectly reasonable for Kline to be getting the service for free now as he has already paid the full fee. He has been going for years. What's with Cal fans looking for a violation here?

I already heard that Kline was looking to transfer---something about a boat??