A rather disturbing article from Rolling Stone about frats at Dartmouth...
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/confessions-of-an-ivy-league-frat-boy-inside-dartmouths-hazing-abuses-20120328

This **** has been going on for sixty years What's happened to Rolling Stone ? Embarassing

Not that I condone hazing, from the sounds of the article - the kid is a prick who doesnt seem to take responsibility for his own actions. Sounds like his fraternity distanced themselves from him because of his drug problems so he decided to rat them out instead.

Here's an interesting documentary about hazing by the same guys who did The Hangover. Kind of sad that there are frats like that (although the last frat featured apparently staged their part) -

XTasy;732229 said:

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Nine of your last ten posts have been this same image. Think maybe it's time to give it a rest?

"Hazing"


lol


Bitches dont know what hazing is.

StrawberryCanyon;732179 said:

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A rather disturbing article from Rolling Stone about frats at Dartmouth...
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/confessions-of-an-ivy-league-frat-boy-inside-dartmouths-hazing-abuses-20120328

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is the author janet reitman any relation to ivan reitman who produced animal house?

"At a college where two-thirds of the upperclassmen are members of Greek houses..."


Not just because of the above statement either. The article paints an unflattering picture.

Rolling Stone is one of the last members of the media to actually try and still do investigative reporting on crucial issues (the "war", Wall Street, etc.) - I would cut them some slack if they don't hit it out of the park every time, GB54

FlourBear;732317 said:

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Likely Yale/Harvard using the media to manipulate high schoolers' perception of these institutions. Right now kids are deciding which ivy league school to attend.

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Kids ight hesitate betweeen Dartmouth and Brown or Penn, but Harvard and Yale are a cut above those.

StrawberryCanyon;732179 said:

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A rather disturbing article from Rolling Stone about frats at Dartmouth...
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/confessions-of-an-ivy-league-frat-boy-inside-dartmouths-hazing-abuses-20120328

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Good piece.

Dartmouth sounds absolutely horrible. Tradition > Reason. 60% Greek is astonishing too considering Berkeley is only 10%

Overall there is much less abusive drinking and harsh hazing in the Berkeley greek scene fortunately. However there are certain houses that are notably bad. DKE only a few years ago got in trouble with the university because of their hazing, specifically related to goat sex. I'm completely serious.:newnana:

http://archive.dailycal.org/article/104656/fraternity_loses_campus_sponsorship

A good friend of mine went to Dartmouth. Asian guy from PV. Said it was terrible. Took him all day to get back to LA, rarely able to go home and very few asians at the time (about 15 years ago). If you weren't greek, it was tougher, especially considering the campus is in the middle of nowhere. Better to go to Columbia, Penn or Brown

BearyWhite;732301 said:

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is the author janet reitman any relation to ivan reitman who produced animal house?

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The original title of her piece was "Now will you pay attention to me, Dad!"

GB54;732351 said:

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The original title of her piece was "Now will you pay attention to me, Dad!"

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heh.. nice

The article was interesting, but I had trouble giving a **** about the people involved -- the wealthy status-conscious preppies who are finding that making a college choice on those qualities alone may not have been such a good idea. And even when the kids are self-destructing they're obnoxious about it -- "at other schools they play beer pong, but at dartmouth we drink five times as much." a) so what and b) no you f*cking don't. you could find two dozen other small remote east coast colleges that party just as hard; they just don't eat 'vomlets' and assume they're bound for upper management at Goldman Sachs. get over yourselves, 'nantucket reds' turdlets.

BearyWhite;732387 said:

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heh.. nice

The article was interesting, but I had trouble giving a **** about the people involved -- the wealthy status-conscious preppies who are finding that making a college choice on those qualities alone may not have been such a good idea. And even when the kids are self-destructing they're obnoxious about it -- "at other schools they play beer pong, but at dartmouth we drink five times as much." a) so what and b) no you f*cking don't. you could find two dozen other small remote east coast colleges that party just as hard; they just don't eat 'vomlets' and assume they're bound for upper management at Goldman Sachs. get over yourselves, 'nantucket reds' turdlets.

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It is hard to have any sympathy for any of these jerkoffs. That said, this has been going on for decades and if you don't like it, don't join. But of course it can't be left at that so instead we have this woman writer attempting to create an alternative reality of victimhood and a culture of violence and degradation around what is-quite simply-a bunch of young men acting as they always have in the presence of alcohol-like idiots.

WildBear;732342 said:

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A good friend of mine went to Dartmouth. Asian guy from PV. Said it was terrible. Took him all day to get back to LA, rarely able to go home and very few asians at the time (about 15 years ago). If you weren't greek, it was tougher, especially considering the campus is in the middle of nowhere. Better to go to Columbia, Penn or Brown

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It's funny that my brother is at Dartmouth specifically because he wanted to get away from all the Asians and branch out (he's Asian too, btw). It might be because he grew up surrounded by Asians (our elementary school was about 90% Asian, Jr High 85%, and high school about 80%). He did join a frat, although his appears to play board games like D&D or Settlers of Catan rather than party hard...

pingpong2;732428 said:

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He did join a frat, although his appears to play board games like D&D or Settlers of Catan rather than party hard...

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Maybe he's just putting on a good show for your family while actually doing shot luges from others' ass cracks and doming his fellow frat brothers.

And in seriousness, I would think a lot of this would go away if beer were legal at 18, especially in places like Dartmouth where there absolutely nothing to do. Kids are drinking anyway, so make it OK to get the stuff without relying on BS means where everyone in the system is a hypocritical where in public one must be against serving alcohol but in private we all know what happens.

ColoradoBear1;732443 said:

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Maybe he's just putting on a good show for your family while actually doing shot luges from others' ass cracks and doming his fellow frat brothers.

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Could be true, he did end up staying overnight at the hospital one time. He purports it to have been caused by the flu, but methinks it was due to hitting the bottle too hard, especially since he's pretty much a one-shot wonder :beer:

pingpong2;732428 said:

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It's funny that my brother is at Dartmouth specifically because he wanted to get away from all the Asians and branch out (he's Asian too, btw). It might be because he grew up surrounded by Asians (our elementary school was about 90% Asian, Jr High 85%, and high school about 80%). He did join a frat, although his appears to play board games like D&D or Settlers of Catan rather than party hard...

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"Tell you what.. I'll trade you three bricks for a wheat and you chug a beer out of Ron's asscrack."

BearyWhite;732487 said:

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"Tell you what.. I'll trade you three bricks for a wheat and you chug a beer out of Ron's asscrack."

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You sir have just figured out how to make an awesome game even more exciting! :beer:

How about that big green football team.Home of the Buddy tevens Football factory.

Most northeasterners would put Dartmouth ahead of Columbia, Penn, and Brown, though behind Harvard, Princeton, and Yale (but a Dartmouth man wouldn't want to be a Yale or Princeton man anyway). What I know about Dartmouth is mostly from my wife who attended in the 90's. It definitely has a reputation and attracts a certain "type" of Ivy League kid. Athletic and hard partying fit that reputation - not bookworms (at least on an Ivy League scale). As a woman she wasn't part of the macho-partying described in the article but certainly had her share of frat basement beers. She told me the hype in the article about sexual assault was completely overblown. Things happen everywhere, and she certainly didn't feel threatened at Dartmouth. Of course, her boyfriend there turned out to be an alcoholic.

Patman2648;732330 said:

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Good piece.

Dartmouth sounds absolutely horrible. Tradition > Reason. 60% Greek is astonishing too considering Berkeley is only 10%

Overall there is much less abusive drinking and harsh hazing in the Berkeley greek scene fortunately. However there are certain houses that are notably bad. DKE only a few years ago got in trouble with the university because of their hazing, specifically related to goat sex. I'm completely serious.:newnana:

http://archive.dailycal.org/article/104656/fraternity_loses_campus_sponsorship

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some of the other Ivies have their bizarre traditions. Yale, for example, has its secret societies where everyone takes themselves way to serious, and they tend to get a little funky in the basements (will leave at that).

It's changed a lot, actually. I think the general consensus from non-Dartmouth people is Columbia is ahead of Dartmouth. Much of that is because of its location, but it does attract world class schlors. Penn has been going crazy with fundraising and has moved up on the US news rankings a lot, top 5-6 now? Might not mean much to you, but it does to 17 year olds...Brown is probably even, but attract a different type of kid.

dajo9;732745 said:

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Most northeasterners would put Dartmouth ahead of Columbia, Penn, and Brown, though behind Harvard, Princeton, and Yale (but a Dartmouth man wouldn't want to be a Yale or Princeton man anyway). What I know about Dartmouth is mostly from my wife who attended in the 90's. It definitely has a reputation and attracts a certain "type" of Ivy League kid. Athletic and hard partying fit that reputation - not bookworms (at least on an Ivy League scale). As a woman she wasn't part of the macho-partying described in the article but certainly had her share of frat basement beers. She told me the hype in the article about sexual assault was completely overblown. Things happen everywhere, and she certainly didn't feel threatened at Dartmouth. Of course, her boyfriend there turned out to be an alcoholic.

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Penn/Wharton also has its secret society. Cornell can hold its own with the others, but I have not heard stories similar to Dartmouth's. Cornell has about 33% Greek, but because there are 20,000 grads and undergrads there's plenty for everyone.

Penn is an awesome school and I love the urban setting. It was very reminiscent of Berkeley for me but with better well-kept buildings.