OT: PAC 12 hate from West Coast schools

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socaliganbear
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Just wondering if any of you have had similar experiences, maybe I've been living under a rock.

I was at a party last night for the fight at a good friend's house who happens to be a Stanfurd guy. Overall, there was a strong contingency of Furd and Cal alumni present. Some of his friends from back home (SD) were in town, and they were primarily SDSU grads. We were talking about college fb/conference realignment/ BSU and SDSU moving to the Big East etc. One guy mentions how much he disliked, no, hated the Pac 12. The other SD folk seemed to agree with him. He points to our recent bball troubles to proclaim that the Mountain West is a better overall conference. Apparently, they became the west coast banner conference for bball since UCLA's last final four run. They all seemed to be of the belief that the Pac 12 was too elitist without reason, and that their favorite games to watch were those that Pac teams lost. Also, Berkeley and Stanford have a vendetta against SDSU, Fresno St and others and will do everything in their power to ensure that they never reach their full potential by joining the Pac. They are sleeping giants with everything in place, or so they say. It all sounded very obsessive and rather hateful, the only thing I can compare it to is how BYU fans talk about Utah these days. In short, they hate the LA schools because hey steal their recruits and they hate the Nor Cal schools because we hold the key to the door, and wont let them in, or something.

I never really thought about the Pac perspective from the CSU schools. To be honest, I didn't think there was one. Other than the occasional OOC game, we have very little to do with one another. I told them that it just doesn't make sense to add more CA schools, when we already have access to whatever it is they could hope to bring to the table. No point in taking in more mouths to feed. One of the Furd kids asked them if they were able to take advantage of the Pac being down, and if so, how many teams had made deep tourney runs during their "banner" years?

Didn't realize their was such animosity from the other CA schools, and after quickly browsing the SDSU and MNTW boards, they weren't kidding. They make the SEC trash talk seem friendly in comparison.
Cal_Fan2
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I can't speak for the present but I got my Masters Degree at SDSU..(don't ask, I wanted to get out of the Bay Area for a few years..lol)...anyway, I didn't mingle with undergrads too much but as a TA, I taught 3 classes and usually partied with many..(oops)...anyway, in those days, it seemed like half the kids I taught were either from the Bay Area or more so from L.A. I never got the hate for the Pac 10 back then as much as the hate for many things L.A.

For whatever reason, San Diego (America's Finest City...lol...inferiority complex back then) hated the L.A. schools and felt that SD was much more "pure"... Most of them knew the Furd and Cal were elite schools but didn't say much about them...this was back in the early 80s before SD got A LOT more crowded and Rancho Penisquitos was just a small community...LOL...so I think it is more SoCal regional rivalry than anything else...can't speak for the sports fans too much though I went to one SDSU/UCLA game at Qualcomm Stadium (called Jack Murphy back then) and the hatred for fUCLA was intense...
FiatSlug
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socaliganbear;841899169 said:

Just wondering if any of you have had similar experiences, maybe I've been living under a rock.

I was at a party last night for the fight at a good friend's house who happens to be a Stanfurd guy. Overall, there was a strong contingency of Furd and Cal alumni present. Some of his friends from back home (SD) were in town, and they were primarily SDSU grads. We were talking about college fb/conference realignment/ BSU and SDSU moving to the Big East etc. One guy mentions how much he disliked, no, hated the Pac 12. The other SD folk seemed to agree with him. He points to our recent bball troubles to proclaim that the Mountain West is a better overall conference. Apparently, they became the west coast banner conference for bball since UCLA's last final four run. They all seemed to be of the belief that the Pac 12 was too elitist without reason, and that their favorite games to watch were those that Pac teams lost. Also, Berkeley and Stanford have a vendetta against SDSU, Fresno St and others and will do everything in their power to ensure that they never reach their full potential by joining the Pac. They are sleeping giants with everything in place, or so they say. It all sounded very obsessive and rather hateful, the only thing I can compare it to is how BYU fans talk about Utah these days. In short, they hate the LA schools because hey steal their recruits and they hate the Nor Cal schools because we hold the key to the door, and wont let them in, or something.

I never really thought about the Pac perspective from the CSU schools. To be honest, I didn't think there was one. Other than the occasional OOC game, we have very little to do with one another. I told them that it just doesn't make sense to add more CA schools, when we already have access to whatever it is they could hope to bring to the table. No point in taking in more mouths to feed. One of the Furd kids asked them if they were able to take advantage of the Pac being down, and if so, how many teams had made deep tourney runs during their "banner" years?

Didn't realize their was such animosity from the other CA schools, and after quickly browsing the SDSU and MNTW boards, they weren't kidding. They make the SEC trash talk seem friendly in comparison.


So does having a chip on one's shoulder. Not sure I'd want to try to dissuade them from their obsession. Trying to do so might only get them to dig in their heels deeper.
sp4149
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When I worked for the Athletic Department back in the 70's I had to support visiting teams, get towels, ice, drinks, whatever... and open the stadium for them. The most arrogant A-holes of the 20+ visiting teams back then were Ucla and San Jose State. UCLA still had Wooden and good football teams so maybe they had earned a little arrogance, but not SJSu. Those two schools replaced SC and Stanford as my most hated Cal opponents.

I was getting a MBA at Cal State Hayward at the time, and even some of that school's teams felt they should play with the PAC8 schools. Trouble is that while the Cal State schools may have good teams on occasion, they don't have the fan base in football to play in the PAC. Basketball is their great playing field leveler, even small schools can sell out their venue when they are ranked in the top 25 and the games are on campus. I lived in Long Beach when their 49ers were a top team like SD State is now. At the time LB State had the biggest undergraduate enrollment west of the Mississippi. The average student GPA was 3.7 and they had trouble keeping athletes eligible. But when Tark left, so did the crowds. The same will happen when Fisher retires.

Trouble is that students at those schools feel that they are the academic equal of the Pac 12 schools. As long as the PAC12 views them as academically inferior (which they seem to be), the PAC12 will be viewed as elitist. Also those schools do not compete in the range of sports that PAC12 ADs have to support. SDsu fields a whopping SIX (6) Men's teams, football, soccer, basketball, baseball, golf and tennis. San Diego, the home of the US Olympic team and SDSU doesn't even have a men's volleyball team, or track and field, or water polo, or swimming, or crew, or rugby. However SDSU's womens' teams are competitive in a much wider range of sports.

At this time schools like SDSU provide landing spots for athletes that didn't quite make it to BCS schools; they could potentially lose prospects if they had the same qualifying standards as the PAC12. And if the Chargers leave town the city might tear down their 'home' field leaving them without a stadium. Being good in a couple of sports doesn't make a college instantly equal to the 'big boys'.

sp4149 - 12 years in "Mexico's finest city" and not counting.
socaliganbear
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SacCityBear;841899182 said:

Not that conference consolidation is merit based, but the fact that nothing a school could ever possibly do would make them "worthy" in the eyes of a conference has to instill resentment of the fans of those schools.

There is also the fact that the CSU's face the same systematic defunding that the UC's do which increases the pressure on athletic departments to become self-sustaining, but the CSU's do not have the same opportunity for financial windfall that Cal and UCLA do because they can never be in the dominant athletic conference on the west coast. In theory, SDSU will make decent money from the Big East, but that will still pale in comparison to what the Pac-12 will make. How would you feel if certain schools were permanently going to deny your school the financial life boat it needed?


I agree to an extent. But if SDSU had pulled off Utah/or TCU BCS seasons, it's not a stretch to think they could have gotten an invite from the B12. Similarly, I doub't Utah would have been extended an invite to the Pac had they been an average non-AQ team with nothing better than a Poinsettia Bowl win to show. Sure, they may not fit the profile of the PAC, or the B1G, or maybe even the ACC pre-Cuse and Pitt, but they could have cashed in with more winning.Unlike Bosie, SDSU has a lot more going for it. And to be honest, I think that schools like SDSU would be better off in a conference like the B12. They have something very unique to offer, not so much in the PAC.
socaliganbear
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SacCityBear;841899214 said:

SDSU would never have fit in the Big 12 unless the Big 12 went to 16 and created a full-fledged 8-member western division (lets say: SDSU, FSU, BSU, BYU, UNLV, UNM, CSU and whoever) because they would have been way too geographically isolated to fit in any 12-member divisional alignment.

Even if SDSU was better, there is no way Texas AD Deloss Dodd's would have lived after refusing to join the Pac-10 only to invite pretty much every western school the Pac-10/12 didn't/doesn't want into their conference.


To be clear, I'm only talking about sdsu, not every other western school. I don't think WV's invite had anything to do with their geographical location, but rather their BCS success of late. Either way, lets agree to disagree.
BowDowntoWashington
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Pretty hilarious thread because I've experienced the same thing....from San Diego State alums. San Diego State alums believe that they graduated from an elite school. Many of the locals from San Diego absolutely despise UCSD. In terms of collegiate athletics, USC seems to have the biggest following in San Diego.

San Diego residents definitely have a major inferiority complex when it comes to LA. I've had more negative sporting event experiences in San Diego than anywhere else in the country. Dodgers fans typically pack Petco Park and you can tell that it really irks Padres fans. Padres fans believe that the Dodgers are their biggest rivals, but Dodgers fans see the Padres as their little brother. I can't stand the Giants, but I still respect the team and the passion that their fans have.
burritos
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Cal_Fan2;841899179 said:

I can't speak for the present but I got my Masters Degree at SDSU..(don't ask, I wanted to get out of the Bay Area for a few years..lol)...anyway, I didn't mingle with undergrads too much but as a TA, I taught 3 classes and usually partied with many..(oops)...anyway, in those days, it seemed like half the kids I taught were either from the Bay Area or more so from L.A. I never got the hate for the Pac 10 back then as much as the hate for many things L.A.

For whatever reason, San Diego (America's Finest City...lol...inferiority complex back then) hated the L.A. schools and felt that SD was much more "pure"... Most of them knew the Furd and Cal were elite schools but didn't say much about them...this was back in the early 80s before SD got A LOT more crowded and Rancho Penisquitos was just a small community...LOL...so I think it is more SoCal regional rivalry than anything else...can't speak for the sports fans too much though I went to one SDSU/UCLA game at Qualcomm Stadium (called Jack Murphy back then) and the hatred for fUCLA was intense...


San Diego is a subburb of Orange County.
Sonofafurd
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SacCityBear;841899182 said:

How would you feel if certain schools were permanently going to deny your school the financial life boat it needed?


I wouldn't like it at all, and I made my school choice accordingly.
berk18
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Let schools like SDSU and FSU beat Boise St. more than once a decade. Then they can complain about their potential being stifled.
SiniCal
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socaliganbear;841899169 said:

OT: PAC 12 hate from West Coast schools - Yesterday, 10:59 AM


Sports fans are flippin' weird, just for starters.. and on the internet raised to the N-th power. Ain't no way to make heads or tails of that lot. Except for Bears of course.


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