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Gotta love it when a particular buffoon Giant fan takes solace in rooting for a Dodger pitcher as the team marches on to humiliate the division again. Classic

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First of all, the name calling is uncalled for.

Second of all, your beef must be with fantasy sports. Which is fine. But yeah, I invest time and money in it and I like to win.

Third of all, classic Dodger fan - celebrating the division titles when they haven't won a World Series since I was 6.

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Soooo you're saying we shouldn't celebrate anything other than a World series Championship?

Maybe we should not celebrate the Bears having a winning season unless it leads to a Rose Bowl?

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Personally, I wouldn't have an on-field ring ceremony for anything less than a World Series. But I guess my bar has been raised.

bonsallbear said:

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GMP said:

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Gotta love it when a particular buffoon Giant fan takes solace in rooting for a Dodger pitcher as the team marches on to humiliate the division again. Classic

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First of all, the name calling is uncalled for.

Second of all, your beef must be with fantasy sports. Which is fine. But yeah, I invest time and money in it and I like to win.

Third of all, classic Dodger fan - celebrating the division titles when they haven't won a World Series since I was 6.

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Soooo you're saying we shouldn't celebrate anything other than a World series Championship?

Maybe we should not celebrate the Bears having a winning season unless it leads to a Rose Bowl?

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I would be pleased with a winning season.

But unless we win the Rose Bowl, I wouldn't be trash-talking to, say, USC fans about it.

bonsallbear said:

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GMP said:

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Gotta love it when a particular buffoon Giant fan takes solace in rooting for a Dodger pitcher as the team marches on to humiliate the division again. Classic

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First of all, the name calling is uncalled for.

Second of all, your beef must be with fantasy sports. Which is fine. But yeah, I invest time and money in it and I like to win.

Third of all, classic Dodger fan - celebrating the division titles when they haven't won a World Series since I was 6.

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Soooo you're saying we shouldn't celebrate anything other than a World series Championship?

Maybe we should not celebrate the Bears having a winning season unless it leads to a Rose Bowl?

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I mean, celebrate all you want.

Just know when you do it to rub it in the faces of giants fans, you aren't really accomplishing your goal.

When the dodgers actually win a title, we giants fans will be sad.

But when you guys keep winning division titles, we just laugh

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bonsallbear said:

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GMP said:

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GRRAAH said:

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Gotta love it when a particular buffoon Giant fan takes solace in rooting for a Dodger pitcher as the team marches on to humiliate the division again. Classic

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First of all, the name calling is uncalled for.

Second of all, your beef must be with fantasy sports. Which is fine. But yeah, I invest time and money in it and I like to win.

Third of all, classic Dodger fan - celebrating the division titles when they haven't won a World Series since I was 6.

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Soooo you're saying we shouldn't celebrate anything other than a World series Championship?

Maybe we should not celebrate the Bears having a winning season unless it leads to a Rose Bowl?

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I would be pleased with a winning season.

But unless we win the Rose Bowl, I wouldn't be trash-talking to, say, USC fans about it.

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Even if we win a rose bowl, I still wouldn't be trash talking SC fans.

For one, I don't think they'll care

Two, I'll be so happy it won't even occur to me to talk trash to anyone

Giants fans have short memories. They went like oh-for-the-west-coast until 2010. That's like 50 years on the west coast, no WS victories. When I was growing up they were always really bad. Candlestick would draw less than 10K a night and by the 7th inning it was usually about 1K. It was pretty sad. I'm glad they got a little enjoyment out of the 2010s. It gives me hope for the Bears.

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Giants fans have short memories. They went like oh-for-the-west-coast until 2010. That's like 50 years on the west coast, no WS victories. When I was growing up they were always really bad. Candlestick would draw less than 10K a night and by the 7th inning it was usually about 1K. It was pretty sad. I'm glad they got a little enjoyment out of the 2010s. It gives me hope for the Bears.

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Some, perhaps. But I'm 37 - it's not that I have a short memory, it's that anything older than me at roughly 6 is not in my memory bank, for obvious reasons.

I think I have a vague recollection of the Dodgers in the '88 World Series. I'll give the Dodgers that - since then, the Giants have won 5 pennants and 3 World Series titles. The Dodgers, including '88, have won 3 pennants and 1 World Series title. For me, Dodgers fans talking about the 50s, 60s and early 80s is like a Cal fan talking to a young USC fan about the Wonder Teams; or like a Giants fan 30 years older than you talking about all the NY Giants titles (5!) as compared to the Brooklyn Dodgers titles (just one).

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Giants fans have short memories. They went like oh-for-the-west-coast until 2010. That's like 50 years on the west coast, no WS victories. When I was growing up they were always really bad. Candlestick would draw less than 10K a night and by the 7th inning it was usually about 1K. It was pretty sad. I'm glad they got a little enjoyment out of the 2010s. It gives me hope for the Bears.

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Some, perhaps. But I'm 37 - it's not that I have a short memory, it's that anything older than me at roughly 6 is not in my memory bank, for obvious reasons.

I think I have a vague recollection of the Dodgers in the '88 World Series. I'll give the Dodgers that - since then, the Giants have won 5 pennants and 3 World Series titles. The Dodgers, including '88, have won 3 pennants and 1 World Series title. For me, Dodgers fans talking about the 50s, 60s and early 80s is like a Cal fan talking to a young USC fan about the Wonder Teams; or like a Giants fan 30 years older than you talking about all the NY Giants titles (5!) as compared to the Brooklyn Dodgers titles (just one).

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Indeed, I'm of a similar age and only have memory of one Dodgers championship.

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Giants fans have short memories. They went like oh-for-the-west-coast until 2010. That's like 50 years on the west coast, no WS victories. When I was growing up they were always really bad. Candlestick would draw less than 10K a night and by the 7th inning it was usually about 1K. It was pretty sad. I'm glad they got a little enjoyment out of the 2010s. It gives me hope for the Bears.

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Some, perhaps. But I'm 37 - it's not that I have a short memory, it's that anything older than me at roughly 6 is not in my memory bank, for obvious reasons.

I think I have a vague recollection of the Dodgers in the '88 World Series. I'll give the Dodgers that - since then, the Giants have won 5 pennants and 3 World Series titles. The Dodgers, including '88, have won 3 pennants and 1 World Series title. For me, Dodgers fans talking about the 50s, 60s and early 80s is like a Cal fan talking to a young USC fan about the Wonder Teams; or like a Giants fan 30 years older than you talking about all the NY Giants titles (5!) as compared to the Brooklyn Dodgers titles (just one).

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Indeed, I'm of a similar age and only have memory of one Dodgers championship.

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Not surprised at all that gmp, sycasey and I are all the same age. We disagree about stuff, but i could tell we more or less look at the world thru the same generational lens.

My question for all giants fans. At what point do you get nervous that all this winning is going to have dire long term consequences?

I think with the prior front office, they would've stayed pat or even bought at the deadline. But I think farhan's too smart for that. I think he's going to try to have his cake and eat it too. The best way, in my opinion, to win now and get young assets for the future is to trade at least two bullpen pieces (one being Smith) but keep bum.

I think bullpen pieces are relatively fungible and I think you can sell Smith at a premium (especially now that you have leverage). Yes, it'll weaken the team, but the giants do have some depth in the minors with bullpen arms.

And keeping bum makes sense just cause I don't know what you can really get for him. Plus, it's possible you can even re-sign him for a reasonable price.

Plus if you keep bum you're telling the team you still are trying to win now

My guess is that Farhan is smart and isn't going to see this as a reason to go all-in and keep everybody. The National League wild-card race is weak enough that you can sell off some pieces and still have a realistic shot at making the playoffs.

They should sell some of the bullpen guys.

IMO, there is definitely long term value to creating a culture of winning. Getting young talent/assets in return for some bullpen pieces that are relatively replaceable is a good approach to developing a future playoff contender while not necessarily removing, and likely only marginally decreasing the team's playoffs chances, particularly if you accurately project the short and longer term performance of a player like Mad Bum.

I find intriguing the possibility of dealing Smith or other reliever(s) to the Dodgers. While many Giants fans will abhor the thought of providing the Dodgers any assistance towards a possible championship, Farhan's recent years in the Dodgers front office gives him a uniquely heightened understanding of the talent in their farm system, nearly entirely removing the disadvantage caused by ignorance many front office types have with respect to knowledge of other organizations' assets.

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Giants fans have short memories. They went like oh-for-the-west-coast until 2010. That's like 50 years on the west coast, no WS victories. When I was growing up they were always really bad. Candlestick would draw less than 10K a night and by the 7th inning it was usually about 1K. It was pretty sad. I'm glad they got a little enjoyment out of the 2010s. It gives me hope for the Bears.

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Some of the ones too young to have long memories have replied, but believe me, the older hard core Giants fans have long memories. Yep, it wasn't until the 53rd season on the west coast that the Giants won a World Series. Which means, for those who stuck through thick and thin, it was that much sweeter. Just like that Rose Bowl will be so much sweeter for all the years of suffering if it actually comes before I die.

And who needs to get greedy? One World Series title was enough. Just like one Rose Bowl will be enough. But the Giants got two more. You're glad we got "a little enjoyment out of the 2010s"????? I'd call 3 World Series titles in 5 years a LOT of enjoyment for those of us who went to games in the 70's with the occasional sub-1,000 attendance, for those of us who lived through the 96 and 100 loss years of 1984 and 1985. I didn't become a Giants fan until 1967, so it was only 43 seasons without a World Series title for me, but 43 fruitless seasons and 0 WS titles as a fan makes 3 in 5 years REALLY sweet, not just "a little enjoyment." Enough enjoyment so that all I ask for the rest of my life is to be entertained. If the Giants get another title before I die, it will just be gravy.

And it doesn't sound like you were there if you think they drew less than 10K a night and by the 7th inning it was usually about 1K. When the Giants were generally drawing less than 10K a night, or even when they were drawing 12K in the 80's or 14K in the 90's, most of us were still there by the end. The kinds of fans who bother to show up to freezing cold Candlestick to watch a poor baseball team were mostly the kind who would stay until the bitter end. If there was a weeknight blowout, well, maybe a crowd of 8K would be down to 5K by the end. But 1K? No way. The only times there was 1K left at the end were when there were only around 1K or 2K to begin with, which certainly happened in the 70's.

We properly made fun of how many Dodgers fans left by the 7th inning, even with a good team, and even if the game was close. Kirk Gibson's home run was classic, if only because you could see cars in the parking lot leaving. REALLY? Earlier in the 1988 season, I attended the last game Hershiser gave up any runs in the regular season, I believe he gave up 8 runs that game. There was a crowd of 50K at Dodgers stadium, by the end of the Giants blowout win, there were about 4K left, and about 3K of those were Giants fans. Pretty sad, a nice sign that the Dodgers fans don't know how to support the team through thick and thin. That would never have happened at Candlestick, even if it was a 10+ run blowout loss to the Dodgers.

I believe it was around 1986 when Chili Davis famously said, "We have about 6,000 real fans. The rest are *******s who come out to see other teams beat us." Well, in the 70's, Chili would have been right in his numbers, but by the mid-80's, it was up to more like 12,000 real fans, otherwise, Chili's criticism was kind of right, although Chili was wrong about the *******s coming to see other teams beat the Giants, but they would only come out to see the good teams, or for a nice weekend day game, or when things were going really well, and ***** about any one loss. By the 90's, it was up to 14,000 real fans. In truth, those numbers aren't all that much higher today. How many bodies were actually in the seats on a Tuesday night this past May when the team was horrifically bad? Maybe 15,000?

But no, for those of us that Chili would call the "real fans," our memories are not short, and man, did we have a LOT of enjoyment in the first half of this decade.

I can only hope to get 1/3 that much enjoyment from the Bears before I die.

Giants are kind of like the L. A. Kings right now. Dodgers are kind of like the San Jose sharks right now.

"Kirk Gibson's home run was classic, if only because you could see cars in the parking lot leaving."

You must not be a fan of baseball in general, then.

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"Kirk Gibson's home run was classic, if only because you could see cars in the parking lot leaving."

You must not be a fan of baseball in general, then.

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Perhaps you don't understand what "if only" means. It would be classic if only that. It is classic for way, way more than that.

As a fan of baseball in general, I hate seeing any fans leaving a one run World Series game in the bottom of the 9th. Precisely because it was such an iconic moment in baseball history, it was the most classic example of Dodgers fans leaving early.

A die hard Giants fan and die hard baseball fan friend of mine was driving back to the Bay near the end of the game and approaching the stadium on I-5. He knew Dodgers fans will leave any game early, so he decided to go to see the end of the game. Security being different in 1988 than it is now, he was able to enter the right field bleachers as many Dodgers fans were leaving, with many having already left. Nowhere near most, but even 1,000 would be too many for that situation. My friend found a place to sit in right field, and he got to be about 30 feet from where the home run landed. All of my Giants fans friends and I were jealous, because we're all fans of baseball in general.

It was a different world in 1988, where Dodgers Stadium was the only major league park where numerous fans would leave a one run World Series game before it ended. Sadly, in the late 2010's, there are way more ticket holders at a World Series game who will leave early, because the combination of the high cost of World Series tickets and ease of buying and selling verifiable tickets on the Internet means people with money to burn who aren't real baseball fans and just want to be where the action is will end up with a lot of tickets (especially because a lot of season ticket holders need to sell one or two games just to be able to afford to see one or two), You will now see people leaving a one run World Series game at any park. If the Giants miraculously made the World Series today, you'd see too many people leave the China Basin ballpark in a close game in the 7th, 8th, or 9th. Unlike 1988 Dodgers Stadium, however, they wouldn't be driving out of the parking lot, they'd be getting into an Uber or a Lyft or a limo. And nobody could enter late and see the end of a close game for free even if there was enough space, they won't let that happen anymore.

The year the Giants lost 100, I think 1984, me and a buddy went to a late season game, I think late August. We bought upper reserve tickets at Candlestick for $5.00. The stadium was practically empty. I think the announced crowd was around 1000, if it was announced. We ended up between 1st base and home plate about 10m rows up. Don't remember the inning, but I do remember a foul ball hit in our direction, I WALKED up the section about 10 rows to where the ball was. Still have it, dig the Chub Feeney signature. Got many other stories from Candlestick, but another day. What a place. And yes, I do miss it.

Anybody remember the Ron Pruitt game in late September 1984? Never forget it. Seat on the 3rd base line. Giants losing 5-3 late to Houston. Got 1 in the 7th, another run in the 8th to tie, Houston scored in the top of the 9th to back up 6-5, and Pruitt hit a no man's land single to score 2 in the 9th to win it. The place went absolutely nuts. You would have thought we won the pennant. Nobody left, for quite awhile, including myself. Great memories, thanks for the trigger.

You're right; my mistake. I misinterpreted that bit.

At this point Giants management has to let this ride out, right?

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Anybody remember the Ron Pruitt game in late September 1984? Never forget it. Seat on the 3rd base line. Giants losing 5-3 late to Houston. Got 1 in the 7th, another run in the 8th to tie, Houston scored in the top of the 9th to back up 6-5, and Pruitt hit a no man's land single to score 2 in the 9th to win it. The place went absolutely nuts. You would have thought we won the pennant. Nobody left, for quite awhile, including myself. Great memories, thanks for the trigger.

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The Ron Pruitt game was Thursday, September 30, 1982, and it at least gave the team a chance at the pennant.

The Giants had entered the week tied for first place with Atlanta after after sweeping the Dodgers in LA, with the Dodgers a game behind. All but the most serious Giants fans didn't even realize the Giants were in a race until the sweep against LA. Entering a 3 game series against the Reds on Monday June 28, the Giants were 10 games under 500. A crowd of 10000+ came on a Monday night, it was half price night, and unbeknownst to anyone, the turnaround began, and continued with a sweep of the Reds (with Tuesday and Wednesday nights drawing only 4000+). After that sweep, I said, "Damn, this team looks good," and the Giants kept playing well, going 52-29 over the next 81 games.

But it took the casual fans a long time to figure it out, the Giants didn't even get a winning record for the first time all year until August 8 when they were finally 56-55 after taking the first game of a doubleheader. The Giants were making it a race for the division and nobody knew. On September 14-16 against the Reds, they drew crowds ranging from 3,700+ to 4,300+. For a team in the midst of a pennant race!!

After getting a tie for first with the Braves with the sweep of the Dodgers, the next two games were against Atlanta at home. A Monday night half price night on September 27 drew over 45,000 fans. 45,000 on a Monday night in late September against Atlanta? Impossible!! Unfortunately, the Giants lost to Phil Niekro 7-0. Damned knuckleballers! Lost the next night, too, to go two games back of the Braves and one back of LA. The Giants then won the first game of a 2 game series against the Astros while the Braves beat the Dodgers, staying two back of the Braves and getting tied with LA.

The night of the Ron Pruitt game, the Dodgers beat the Braves handily. I don't remember if the LA-ATL game was over by the time the Ron Pruitt game was over, but the outcome was clear, the Dodgers were way ahead. We needed an LA win and an Atlanta loss, then we'd start the weekend against LA at home tied with the Dodgers, and one back of the Braves playing a 3 game set in SD. With LA winning, if the Giants lose, they stay 2 back of the Braves and one back of the Dodgers with 3 to play. One back of the Braves and tied with LA would be tough, but still, we needed that game to tie the Dodgers and keep hope alive by being only 1 back of the Braves. It was almost like an elimination game in front of 13,000+.

The home run in the 9th was by damned Harry Spilman, who later became a Giant. It was crushing.

But the bottom of the 9th saw an out, a walk, an out, a single, and a walk. Johnnie LeMaster was due up, so Frank Robinson pinch hits with. . . Ron Pruitt??? Pruitt couldn't possibly have hit it any softer and had it go through. Yeah, the crowd went crazy, hope was alive.

Unfortunately, losses in the next 2 to the Dodgers knocked us out, with the Braves winning the first 2 against the Pads. The Braves lost to the Pads on Sunday, so the Giants got to knock the Dodgers out with the Joe Morgan home run.

Opening Day through June 27 wasn't that much fun that year. But from June 28 until the end, what a fun year, even if there weren't a lot of us there to witness until that last week. The final week had two great games, even if 3-4 made for a really a disappointing week (and still only 13,000+ for Ron Pruitt).

Ah, memories.

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The year the Giants lost 100, I think 1984, me and a buddy went to a late season game, I think late August. We bought upper reserve tickets at Candlestick for $5.00. The stadium was practically empty. I think the announced crowd was around 1000, if it was announced. We ended up between 1st base and home plate about 10m rows up. Don't remember the inning, but I do remember a foul ball hit in our direction, I WALKED up the section about 10 rows to where the ball was. Still have it, dig the Chub Feeney signature. Got many other stories from Candlestick, but another day. What a place. And yes, I do miss it.

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1985 was the year the Giants lost 100, 1984 was only 96 losses. 1984 never had a sub-2000 crowd and only one sub-3000 crowd.

1985 was the year of the slogan, "Real grass, real sunshine, real baseball." Natural turf was back and Lurie scheduled a LOT of day games. 3 of the day games in September had attendance numbers of less than 2,000, showing just how much Giants fans loved day baseball at Candlestick for a losing team, but at least they didn't drop into 3 digits.

Yeah, those 1985 games were fun in their way, a losing team but we got the stadium to ourselves. Good luck in ever having the stadium to yourself ever again for a Giants game (although there have been some pretty sparse crowds this year, especially when there was rainy weather).

I AM LEGEND, Will Smith hits grand slam. Not a bad farm system.

Dodgers win their 4th in a row, a ho-hum 3-1 win at home over StL behind 7 strong innings from Kershaw (11-2). Crazy season in that they seem to be getting all the breaks, winning all the close ones, walk off HRs by rookies, etc. Can their luck hold up for another 3 months? Hard to believe there's that much bb to play.

Giants seem to have cooled off, 3-7 in their last 10. Only 3.5 out of the second wild card. 5 teams ahead of them but like 50 to play, plenty of time to make some noise.

Dodgers set major league record with 22 home runs in a five game stretch. Bellinger leads the bigs with 41 HR

Lemme know when you win the series.

Out favorite Pac-12 Space Man, Bill Walton, does baseball:

Oops, announcers actually failed with 3-strikeout guess as 88 pitchers have registered four strikeouts.

Baseball Almanac:

"A batter with two strikes on him takes a swing at strike three; however, the catcher does not field the ball cleanly, and instead of tagging the runner out, the runner reaches."

Bill Walton is that dude who loves Cal but thank God he is a Bruin because he happens to always veer from fascinating to embarrassing in almost every scenario.

I am actually fairly optimistic about the Giants' future under Zaidi. Seems like he's made pretty sharp moves and the team has overperformed expectations this season.

San Francisco Marlins. I like it.

Pretty unlikely the Giants become cheapskate low-spenders like the Marlins, but okay.

Dodgers smack another 5 home runs in last night's game

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Dodgers smack another 5 home runs in last night's game

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Hey, Giants scored 11 last night.

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Dodgers smack another 5 home runs in last night's game

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Hey, Giants scored 11 last night.

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Giants fans, rest easy. Doyers aren't winning the WS this year with Kenley as their closer. He blew his sixth save last night. It's not his "mechanics." The guy has simply lost a foot on his cutter in the last couple of years and he's probably not getting it back.

Muncy bailed him out with a walkoff HR in the bottom of the 10th but it's really hard to win the WS without a good closer. Doyers should spend the rest of the regular season trying different guys out in that spot - Urias, Baez, Rich Hill, the two rookies.

Yet ANOTHER Magical walk off win for the boys in blue! And the Giants two week period of relevance the last five years in over.

Let's get those Yankees this weekend!