http://http://www.registerguard.com/web/newslocalnews/28182877-41/california-students-university-oregon-state.html.csp
Berdahl is even quoted.

$150,000 to get an OU degree? Wow! Talk about bad ROI...

here's the only info you'll need from that article.

"He said, 'There's a lot of North Cal kids coming up here. It's really easy to get into,'"

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or ASU... Oregon is just pathetic. 90% acceptance rate according to an article I read a couple years back.

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Football is a huge reason California high school students flock to the UO, Susan Gilbaugh Ross said.

"You don't realize the impact that sports has on marketing the school until you start seeing dramatic changes in the numbers (enrolling)," she said.

"In Southern California, in particular, students want to go to school where they are winners. It sounds horrible to say, but that influences a lot of people's at least initial interest in Oregon."

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Interesting, and not surprising.

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Tallia figures his UO degree will pay off, particularly in the future as the university's popularity grows and admittance gets even more competitive.

"I can't wait until I'm older and it's impossible to get in here and it will get impossible," he said. "Each year the (GPA) requirements go up. Every school in the UO is getting better.

"Journalism is one of the top on the West Coast. Business is very good. Architecture is one of the best in the nation. Science. They're building a whole new building for science.

"Even though I might not reap the benefits of what's going on right now, I just love seeing it get better. When I get older, it will be like, 'Damn. You went to Oregon.' And I'll be like 'yeah.'"

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Wow. Truer words have never been spoken. :newnana:

I've said it once, and I'll say it again; there is nothing worse than a norcal Oregon student. nothing. I really don't have too much against Oregon kids who choose to go to Oregon. They are in-state and a lot of these students, financially, may not have too many other options.

Norcal kids who go to Oregon are a completely different matter. These kids are paying private school type tuition to get an education they can get at DVC.

So in my experience, norcal kids who go to Oregon are mostly spoiled, lazy, douchebag, rich kids who are just looking for a party school and having mommy and daddy foot the bill.

There is no other justification to go to Oregon, unless you are one of those few who might be looking to get a sports comm degree.

pathetic.

I was up at UO this year and someone told me that the locals jokingly refer to their college as "UC Oregon" because so many of their students are from California.

It's not UC Oregon. It's Cal State Eugene.

GoCal80;841905688 said:

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I was up at UO this year and someone told me that the locals jokingly refer to their college as "UC Oregon" because so many of their students are from California.

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This is true, my friend who is a Duck has a UCO shirt

It was actually "UC Eugene" if memory serves... the UO bookstore had been selling them for a while when I arrived.

To explain why this Californian ended up in Eugene:
- Southern California (the region) isn't for me, and my parents wanted me to stay out West.
- I was not a serious enough student to get in to Berkeley or Stanford.(Although even if I had been I might very well have wanted to get further away than the other side of the bridge/palo alto respectively.)
- EVVVVERRRYBODY I knew not going to Cal was going to Santa Cruz and I was fairly desperate to do something different.
- Oregon's campus is beautiful and well maintained and when I visited I took an instant liking to it in spite of being largely turned off my the surrounding area (the drive from the Airport can be particularly depressing depending on your route.)

And from the article one shouldn't discount that class sizes *are* often small, and depending on major it's rare to encounter difficulty getting the classes you need when you need them.

You can scoff all you want about the spoiled brats that end up as out of staters in Eugene (I was one of them) but there are plenty of valid reasons to opt for an Oregon experience and simply excusing those based on lower entrance requirements is pretty lame.

Also just for the hell of it I'll mention the DUCKS had absolutely zero to do with my decision at the time.

BearBorn11;841905691 said:

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It's not UC Oregon. It's Cal State Eugene.

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Central Oregon Community Kollege (COCK)

BearBorn11;841905691 said:

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It's not UC Oregon. It's Cal State Eugene.

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CSU Eugene? That sounds about right.

Vandalus;841905683 said:

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Interesting, and not surprising.



Wow. Truer words have never been spoken. :newnana:

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they don't even have an engineering school.....should join the Furd, they don't have an architecture school, even though they have an 'architectural design' major.......



ahahahahahahahahahahahahahha:rollinglaugh:

goldenblue_Cal;841905710 said:

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they don't even have an engineering school.....

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That's an OUS thing. Corvallis gets the engineering school. They won't allow UO to have one.
UO does have an architecture school.

BellottiBold;841905696 said:

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It was actually "UC Eugene" if memory serves... the UO bookstore had been selling them for a while when I arrived.

To explain why this Californian ended up in Eugene:
- Southern California (the region) isn't for me, and my parents wanted me to stay out West.
- I was not a serious enough student to get in to Berkeley or Stanford.(Although even if I had been I might very well have wanted to get further away than the other side of the bridge/palo alto respectively.)
- EVVVVERRRYBODY I knew not going to Cal was going to Santa Cruz and I was fairly desperate to do something different.
- Oregon's campus is beautiful and well maintained and when I visited I took an instant liking to it in spite of being largely turned off my the surrounding area (the drive from the Airport can be particularly depressing depending on your route.)

And from the article one shouldn't discount that class sizes *are* often small, and depending on major it's rare to encounter difficulty getting the classes you need when you need them.

You can scoff all you want about the spoiled brats that end up as out of staters in Eugene (I was one of them) but there are plenty of valid reasons to opt for an Oregon experience and simply excusing those based on lower entrance requirements is pretty lame.

Also just for the hell of it I'll mention the DUCKS had absolutely zero to do with my decision at the time.

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I'd love to hear all about the "plenty of valid reasons to opt for an Oregon experience."

So far it seems like you preferred Oregon because it has a beautiful campus, is outside of southern california but on the west coast, and has small class sizes. Gee, sounds like a really unique university.

As a hypothetical, lets say I have the test scores and GPA to get in to a school like UCSD (I'm not going to even bring Berkeley or stanford into play here because it would make it too unfair) and I live in Norcal. Ok, so I am deciding where to go to school, but i just can't decide, but I can get into a school like UCSD (or a similar type school of similar prestige). I want you to sell me on Oregon. Tell me why I should go there. Tell me what makes Oregon unique.

Vandalus;841905683 said:

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Interesting, and not surprising.



Wow. Truer words have never been spoken. :newnana:

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This reminds me of a quote from the Daily Cal's sports page, April Fool's edition 1989 with a featured story about Russell White getting a perfect score on his SAT: (something like -->)"combine me with books and we got action." Does anyone have that somewhere? It was classic.

FingeroftheBear;841905715 said:

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I'd never send my kids to UO-Eugene-Niketown.

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that's problem with the Ducks, they are comparing themselves to the UCs, when it is really the Fresno Sts and San Diego States who are their contemporaries.

You can pick your college based on academics or based on its football/basketball team. That decision says a lot more about you as a person than it says about the college.

running bear;841905751 said:

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You can pick your college based on academics or based on its football/basketball team. That decision says a lot more about you as a person than it says about the college.

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I think most people choose their college based on multiple criteria such as what you wrote plus location, class size, small college town feel or urban appeal, large vs small etc...many factors should go into their decisions as well as parents thoughts as well as who is paying the bill.

Wow. 150k. WTF does that pay for? I've walked through the campus before. It's marginally better than our local J.C.

burritos;841905758 said:

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Wow. 150k. WTF does that pay for?

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You get to watch/cheer for your football team in the NCG and Rose Bowl? That's sweet and all - I would love to do that - and certainly their football success leads to greater visibility outside the state of oregon for your garden variety regular student.

I grew up in San Diego, and the two schools where all the rich kids went that couldn't stay instate was UofA (and to lesser degree ASU) and Colorado. I put UA and Colorado above Oregon in terms of academic prestige - I'm assuming without evidence that the girls are better at both over oregon. The weather is certainly better (well ... that depends I guess on your definition of "good weather" but I digress). In any event, it seems as though Oregon is inching in on the UA and Colorado pipeline for California kids.

Vandalus;841905761 said:

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You get to watch/cheer for your football team in the NCG and Rose Bowl? That's sweet and all - I would love to do that - and certainly their football success leads to greater visibility outside the state of oregon for your garden variety regular student.

I grew up in San Diego, and the two schools where all the rich kids went that couldn't stay instate was UofA (and to lesser degree ASU) and Colorado. I put UA and Colorado above Oregon in terms of academic prestige - I'm assuming without evidence that the girls are better at both over oregon. The weather is certainly better (well ... that depends I guess on your definition of "good weather" but I digress). In any event, it seems as though Oregon is inching in on the UA and Colorado pipeline for California kids.

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Pac-12 academic pecking order (in terms of prestige, for me):

1. Furd
2. Cal
3. UCLA
4. $C
5. UW
6. Colorado
7. Tie - AZ, Oregon, Oregon State, Wazzu, Utah, ASU

ducky23;841905719 said:

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I'd love to hear all about the "plenty of valid reasons to opt for an Oregon experience."

So far it seems like you preferred Oregon because it has a beautiful campus, is outside of southern california but on the west coast, and has small class sizes. Gee, sounds like a really unique university.

As a hypothetical, lets say I have the test scores and GPA to get in to a school like UCSD (I'm not going to even bring Berkeley or stanford into play here because it would make it too unfair) and I live in Norcal. Ok, so I am deciding where to go to school, but i just can't decide, but I can get into a school like UCSD (or a similar type school of similar prestige). I want you to sell me on Oregon. Tell me why I should go there. Tell me what makes Oregon unique.

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Your hypothetical is a stretch at best. Hmmmm... Let's see? I can go to a top 10 ranked public university on the beach in La Jolla OR I can go to a school that isn't even ranked in the top 50 amongst public universities in rainy crappy Eugene? If said California high school student could get into UCSD, chances are that UO isn't even being considered.

Agreed. UCSD >>>> oregon, especially when you consider the costs. According to Oregon's student budget planner, an out of state student should expect to pay $13,745 per quarter, including living expenses/books, etc. i.e. $41,235/year = $164k for 4 years.

At first I thought they were on semester, but I was wrong. It takes 180 units to graduate from oregon, and they expect an avg of 15 credits per quarter.

I'm not into bashing other schools within the conference or outside pf it. I think it's just poor taste and makes you look elitist. Football programs, on the other hand, are fair game.

Vandalus;841905766 said:

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Agreed. UCSD >>>> oregon, especially when you consider the costs. According to Oregon's student budget planner, an out of state student should expect to pay $13,745 per quarter, including living expenses/books, etc. i.e. $41,235/year = $164k for 4 years.

At first I thought they were on semester, but I was wrong. It takes 180 units to graduate from oregon, and they expect an avg of 15 credits per quarter.

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Reminds me of a response that we used to have when an $C grad would admit to going there. We'd say "for what you spent, you could've gone to Stanfurd. Oh. Sorry. Only $C would let you in".

Vandalus;841905766 said:

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Agreed. UCSD >>>> oregon, especially when you consider the costs. According to Oregon's student budget planner, an out of state student should expect to pay $13,745 per quarter, including living expenses/books, etc. i.e. $41,235/year = $164k for 4 years.

At first I thought they were on semester, but I was wrong. It takes 180 units to graduate from oregon, and they expect an avg of 15 credits per quarter.

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Of course its ridiculous to go to Oregon over UCSD. But BellotiBold is making the argument that kids are going to Oregon who could qualify elsewhere (such as a school similar to UCSD or UC Davis). That is why I came up with that hypothetical, to show how preposterous BellotBold's argument is.

The plain truth is that california kids only go to Oregon cause they can't get into anywhere better. If they had other options, they would go.

Cal State Eu-gene <clap, clap> <clap, clap, clap>

Vandalus;841905761 said:

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You get to watch/cheer for your football team in the NCG and Rose Bowl? That's sweet and all - I would love to do that - and certainly their football success leads to greater visibility outside the state of oregon for your garden variety regular student.

I grew up in San Diego, and the two schools where all the rich kids went that couldn't stay instate was UofA (and to lesser degree ASU) and Colorado. I put UA and Colorado above Oregon in terms of academic prestige - I'm assuming without evidence that the girls are better at both over oregon. The weather is certainly better (well ... that depends I guess on your definition of "good weather" but I digress). In any event, it seems as though Oregon is inching in on the UA and Colorado pipeline for California kids.

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Sane parents are agreeing either to pay for or have their kids saddle themselves with 150k of debt so they can root for a winning football team? I guess that's what SC parents are doing.

Cal_Fan2;841905755 said:

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I think most people choose their college based on multiple criteria such as what you wrote plus location, class size, small college town feel or urban appeal, large vs small etc...many factors should go into their decisions as well as parents thoughts as well as who is paying the bill.

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True, but those come down to personal preference and shouldn't be judged. I was suggesting that choosing a school to maximize ones future potential is much more important than bragging rights for a successful sports team (that one is not a integral part of).

I had to recheck the url to make sure I wasn't on the Furd site.

Stop bashing other schools' academic 'prestige' (whatever that means), you are making us look bad.

ducky23;841905719 said:

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I'd love to hear all about the "plenty of valid reasons to opt for an Oregon experience."

As a hypothetical, lets say I have the test scores and GPA to get in to a school like UCSD ...

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From my personal perspective, "University of California at Eugene" is a clear illustration of the current budget challenges and budget impacts within the UC system.

The comparison is not U of O vs. UCSD, the comparison is U of O vs. the (sorry to say it) "lower tier" UC campuses.

I have a daughter in college now. A good, but not great student out of high school - graduated with a 3.2 GPA from a frequently awarded and recognized high school - let's just say that property values are higher because of the desirability of the school system. Accepted in UCB? You're smoking crack. UCLA? No way, dude. Get into UCSD with that? Not a chance. UCSB? You're joking. UCI - No way. UC Davis? Not a prayer. Average GPA for entering freshman at Berkeley, UCLA, Davis - is now well over 4.0 (think I heard 4.3 for UC Davis). 3 years ago, I recall reading something like 48K applications for UCB, with 25K of those with a GPA of 4.0 or higher - for ~10K spots.

Our situation wound up as follows -

Rejection letters from every UC campus to which an application was submitted - basically the list noted above. The others where UC system acceptance was offered as an alternative were not of interest. Acceptance letters from EVERY out of state institution to which we applied - U of A, CU, as well as U of O. (Think out of state tuition dollars are not of interest to these schools? Think out of state dollars are not of interest to the UC system?)

Choosing between Merced or Eugene? A more appropriate question to be asking here.


Sorry - for those of us with recent experiences in this area, the choice is not about Eugene vs. San Diego. Sad to say that for a large portion of the in state graduating high school students, the "desirable" campuses in the UC system are not an option.

Full disclosure - I still provide annual support the University, but it pains me to know that my kids have little to no chance of following in any footsteps I may have left behind ...

northendbear;841905810 said:

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From my personal perspective, "University of California at Eugene" is a clear illustration of the current budget challenges and budget impacts within the UC system.

The comparison is not U of O vs. UCSD, the comparison is U of O vs. the (sorry to say it) "lower tier" UC campuses.

I have a daughter in college now. A good, but not great student out of high school - graduated with a 3.2 GPA from a frequently awarded and recognized high school - let's just say that property values are higher because of the desirability of the school system. Accepted in UCB? You're smoking crack. UCLA? No way, dude. Get into UCSD with that? Not a chance. UCSB? You're joking. UCI - No way. UC Davis? Not a prayer. Average GPA for entering freshman at Berkeley, UCLA, Davis - is now well over 4.0 (think I heard 4.3 for UC Davis). 3 years ago, I recall reading something like 48K applications for UCB, with 25K of those with a GPA of 4.0 or higher - for ~10K spots.

Our situation wound up as follows -

Rejection letters from every UC campus to which an application was submitted - basically the list noted above. The others where UC system acceptance was offered as an alternative were not of interest. Acceptance letters from EVERY out of state institution to which we applied - U of A, CU, as well as U of O. (Think out of state tuition dollars are not of interest to these schools? Think out of state dollars are not of interest to the UC system?)

Choosing between Merced or Eugene? A more appropriate question to be asking here.


Sorry - for those of us with recent experiences in this area, the choice is not about Eugene vs. San Diego. Sad to say that for a large portion of the in state graduating high school students, the "desirable" campuses in the UC system are not an option.

Full disclosure - I still provide annual support the University, but it pains me to know that my kids have little to no chance of following in any footsteps I may have left behind ...

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Well put. To be fair, I attended both UCSD and UCB and while I was a very good student the chances that I could get into either school now with the same qualifications that I had over 25 years ago are slim.

oskirules;841905767 said:

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I'm not into bashing other schools within the conference or outside pf it. I think it's just poor taste and makes you look elitist. Football programs, on the other hand, are fair game.

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Pretty much agree with this. Am I on dawgman? lol.

Oregon was my 2nd choice. I got into a few UC's (Davis, Irvine, Santa Cruz) and Oregon is a lot nicer than those schools (tho I really liked Santa Cruz). I had a few friends from my high school who ended up at Oregon, despite getting into some UC's. The atmosphere at a lot of the UC's isn't very good. UCSD is an excellent academic school, but it sucks socially and the girls are hideous. There was no way in hell that I was going to spend 4 years living in a cow town like Davis. Irvine? A boring commuter school that was too close to home.

The idiots from my high school usually ended up at places like San Diego State, Colorado, and ASU.

Do athletics play a part in a student's decision to attend a school? Sometimes, but no one chooses a school solely because they have a great football or basketball program. Eugene is actually a pretty nice college town and I've had a great time every time I've visited.

Do I regret attending UW? Absolutely not - I had a great time in college, but I certainly don't think I would have been unhappy at Oregon. I hate their athletic programs, but I have nothing against the school itself.

I received degrees from two different UCs. One was clearly on a higher plane academically when compared to the other one. The less academically challenging of the two is rated better than UO based on entering SAT scores, gpa, and quality of a broad swath of graduate programs. Why exactly should I have to pretend UO is a quality school? To be nice? Because they have better academics than some other state schools? Just because your above average doesn't mean you should compare yourself to the +2 sigma or the +3 sigma.

burritos;841905785 said:

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Sane parents are agreeing either to pay for or have their kids saddle themselves with 150k of debt so they can root for a winning football team? I guess that's what SC parents are doing.

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Just to be clear - I wasn't saying it's a good choice. I'm saying that by the looks of the article, their football visibility is increasing their exposure and some kids are considering them when maybe they wouldn't before. If that's the only reason, it's totally uninformed and short sighted for sure. But I was just saying it sure would be cool to root for a school that won a rosebowl.

:headbang