I just looked at the kids who are coming in for the first time in a couple of months and I forgt what a great class this is. Really great football players and great kids. Can't wait to see who plays out of this group this year.GOBEARS!

It is a good class. In fact it's a top 25 class that's right up there with the two before it. The way people talk on this board you'd think we were bottom of the Pac in talent. We should be proud of this class and the effort of the coaching staff to get it.

I think the 2012 class is great considering the circumstances.

All the players love Cal.

Yes, believe it or not, to some -good ones too- Cal does attract!

So, now, "JUST WIN,BABY"!

BeachyBear;841905707 said:

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It is a good class. In fact it's a top 25 class that's right up there with the two before it. The way people talk on this board you'd think we were bottom of the Pac in talent. We should be proud of this class and the effort of the coaching staff to get it.

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+1
Go Bears

NYCGOBEARS;841905809 said:

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+1
Go Bears

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+2 Go Bears !!!!

Boot;841905701 said:

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I just looked at the kids who are coming in for the first time in a couple of months

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I think they've actually already showed up to campus.

:gobears:

Cal Bears Great;841905813 said:

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I think they've actually already showed up to campus.

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Yeah - I think they are all here and living in the units for summer bridge - taking a few classes to get their feet wet so they can drop down to I would assume a 12 unit load in the fall. (maybe they can even go lower but I forget how these things go.) I think they then all move over to Clark Kerr once fall starts.

It is an outstanding class, to be sure. Posts like this one help keep me grounded, and I look forward to seeing these young men develop.

ducktilldeath;841905824 said:

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I think you identified the problem fans have with CAL football right there. Talent isn't the issue. Most years, Oregon would swap rosters, sans QB, in a heartbeat.

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We have talented players. Just not talented teams. And if you don't think QB matters more in our offense than it does in yours, you're kidding yourself.

Oregon is led by a once-in-a-lifetime head coach. You'd better cherish Chip while you still have him.

AZGoldenBear;841905778 said:

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I think the 2012 class is great considering the circumstances.

All the players love Cal.

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That class is great no matter what the circumstances. Many good players and the highest regarded players are in positions of need.

SonofBlue;841905934 said:

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That class is great no matter what the circumstances. Many good players and the highest regarded players are in positions of need.

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ummm no. It's still a solid class that fits needs. We finished in the top25. The point is we were in pretty good position for a top 5 class.

Is the class good? YES. The "could of been" factor will always hang over it for obvious reasons.

When will this class have a chance to start training? Is fall camp next?

I wonder if they're allowed to workout in the SAHPC.

ducktilldeath;841905824 said:

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I think you identified the problem fans have with CAL football right there. Talent isn't the issue. Most years, Oregon would swap rosters, sans QB, in a heartbeat.

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Are you sure about that trade? I need to see more stats, but it seems to me that the Ducks have produced more NFL Offensive linemen than Cal in the last 3-4 years. Maybe somebody has the numbers to prove or disprove that notion.

Without a good/great Oline, even the vaunted Quack Attack would bog down, much less any offense in football.

About Cal QBs -- I think Chip Kelly squeezes more out the post-Rodgers QBs than what we've been able to do with them.

AZGoldenBear;841905986 said:

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The "could of been" factor will always hang over it for obvious reasons.

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If you want to see this class as somehow tainted, that's your prerogative. However, those of us who dig Cal football for more than ratings will enjoy the hell out of it. It should be the heart of the team in two to three years.

chazzed;841906012 said:

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If you want to see this class as somehow tainted, that's your prerogative. However, those of us who dig Cal football for more than ratings will enjoy the hell out of it. It should be the heart of the team in two to three years.

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You've got to be kidding me! I love the class and EVERY bear who stayed committed. That being said, we almost had a historic class. We finished with a solid class. Try and justify it if you want.

AZGoldenBear;841906020 said:

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You've got to be kidding me! I love the class and EVERY bear who stayed committed. That being said, we almost had a historic class. We finished with a solid class. Try and justify it if you want.

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None of what you said negates what he said. You act as though the two thoughts are incompatible. They are not.

freshfunk;841905998 said:

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When will this class have a chance to start training? Is fall camp next?

I wonder if they're allowed to workout in the SAHPC.

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They are taking a couple classes and "informally" working out at the SAHPC along with the rest of the team that is on campus for the summer. No formal coaching, but I believe they are getting access to the playbook and running some informal drills. Most important is getting some of the academics out of the way to free up hours in the fall. They will still carry about 14 hours, but because of the practice schedule, are limited in what classes they can take and when.

ducktilldeath;841905824 said:

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I think you identified the problem fans have with CAL football right there. Talent isn't the issue. Most years, Oregon would swap rosters, sans QB, in a heartbeat.

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I'm starting to wonder if you duck fans are just trying to screw with the stereotype. Where does this Oregon does more than Cal with less thing come from? The last time Cal had a higher team recruiting ranking than Cal according to Scout was 2006. Cal really cratered in 2008 and 2009, falling into the 30's. Other than that, Cal has done fine for itself, but still finished below Oregon in the recruiting rankings.

That is the primary reason for the change in fortunes guys. And 2008/9 are still hurting us.

So, no, I don't think you would trade your roster.

AZGoldenBear;841906020 said:

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You've got to be kidding me! I love the class and EVERY bear who stayed committed. That being said, we almost had a historic class. We finished with a solid class. Try and justify it if you want.

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I'm not trying to justify anything. I know what could have been, but that's clearly not reality. The kids that stayed are Cal through and through, and I won't have armchair QBs spin it in a negative way in a rare positive thread...not without pushing back a bit, anyway.

Our Domicile;841906004 said:

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Are you sure about that trade? I need to see more stats, but it seems to me that the Ducks have produced more NFL Offensive linemen than Cal in the last 3-4 years. Maybe somebody has the numbers to prove or disprove that notion.

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Oregon's been getting by on the OL with prospects not highly regarded out of HS. That said the past couple of cycles we've picked up some more talented kids. They have a bright future, but we certainly haven't been putting that many OL into the league lately.

AZGoldenBear;841905986 said:

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ummm no. It's still a solid class that fits needs. We finished in the top25. The point is we were in pretty good position for a top 5 class.

Is the class good? YES. The "could of been" factor will always hang over it for obvious reasons.

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The "could of been" factor in no way makes the players that did commit any less talented. The fact that Cal almost had a couple more highly rated players should not be a taint. As has been said many times: you only judge your class based on who signed, not on who might have signed.

BellottiBold;841906078 said:

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Oregon's been getting by on the OL with prospects not highly regarded out of HS. That said the past couple of cycles we've picked up some more talented kids. They have a bright future, but we certainly haven't been putting that many OL into the league lately.

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Yeah, it was just my impression so I did some cursory research and it's pretty even, but slightly in Oregon's advantage.

Since 2007 the NFL has drafted 4 OLM from U of Oregon and 3 from Cal (I'm not sure about Undrafted Free Agents though).

OaktownBear;841906063 said:

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I'm starting to wonder if you duck fans are just trying to screw with the stereotype. Where does this Oregon does more than Cal with less thing come from? The last time Cal had a higher team recruiting ranking than Oregon according to Scout was 2006. Cal really cratered in 2008 and 2009, falling into the 30's. Other than that, Cal has done fine for itself, but still finished below Oregon in the recruiting rankings.

That is the primary reason for the change in fortunes guys. And 2008/9 are still hurting us.

So, no, I don't think you would trade your roster.

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I think you had a typo above so I fixed in for you (in bold), but you're absolutely right. In terms of team rankings from S____.com, the Ducks have indeed out-recruited Cal every year since 2006. OMG, could it really be the Uniforms?

[U]2006[/U]
Cal - 26
Ore - 52

[U]2007[/U]
Ore - 9
Cal - 12

[U]2008[/U]
Ore - 23
Cal - 32

[U]2009[/U]
Ore - 26
Cal - 34

[U]2010[/U]
Ore - 13
Cal - 27 (tied)

[U]2011[/U]
Ore - 11
Cal - 16

[U]2012[/U]
Ore - 15
Cal - 34 (tied)