CCSF could close in 8 months

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SFCityBear;841907863 said:

Thanks for your pension information. My friend who worked at Lockheed retired in about the 2nd or 3rd year of the Tedford era. I remember this because when he retired, the Lockheed recreation club no longer matched his donation to Bear Backers, and our season tickets for football were moved from the 35 yard line to the 10 yard line. So perhaps salaries were not as high then. He ran a project or department of about 300 engineers.

My last position as a manager of two offices in a Mechanical/Electrical consulting firm, running about 30 projects at once, was $130K. Two years before that, I was operating as a consultant to Genentech, for a salary of $170K. I was taking advantage of an opportunity, because I was the only person with the detailed knowledge of the history of a particular project. Genentech managers resented my salary, and laid me off the first chance they got. I have never met an engineer making the high salary of which you speak. If your family member knows of one who needs an assistant, let me know.

Engineering is not a very stable profession. I have been laid off or fired at least 12 times that I can remember. I have worked on power plants, refineries, airports, water and wastewater plants, chemical plants, critical data centers, etc. Back in the ‘60s, aerospace was huge and jobs were plentiful, unlike now. I worked in a plant in San Diego that had 24,000 employees. Within a few years the plant was shut down, and entire subdivisions had for sale signs on every home. In the ‘70’s, there were lots of federal grants for wastewater plants. After a few years, the grants dried up. I worked in nuclear power, and then there was 3-mile Island, and an entire industry shut down. We haven’t built a refinery or power plant in 40 years. So the result of this is the typical engineer is out of work a lot, and has to keep reinventing himself to get into some other industry where he can make a living. My friend at Lockheed was one of the smart or lucky ones. He was only laid off once, I believe, from North American, and was unemployed for a year. Then he went to McDonnell, and then to Lockheed. I don’t have statistics, but among my friends and co-workers who I still stay in touch with, the average is about 5 layoffs in a career.


Interesting. I don't have much else to contribute except I highly recommend you check out Glassdoor. Not because you need it, but because it's fairly interesting to check out the kind of accurate statistics they can compile regarding industry salaries.
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BearEatsTacos;841907981 said:

Interesting. I don't have much else to contribute except I highly recommend you check out Glassdoor. Not because you need it, but because it's fairly interesting to check out the kind of accurate statistics they can compile regarding industry salaries.


Thank you for the tip about Glassdoor.com. Looking through the salaries for Lockheed Martin, there was a position of Engineering Manager listed, and the median salary for that position was $131K, which is about the level that I reported in my post. The only engineering salary above $180K at Lockheed Martin shown on Glassdoor.com was for one Principal Software Engineer at $206K.

While I certainly take your word that you have relatives making salaries in the neighborhood of $250K in the aerospace industry, I did not find any evidence of that on Glassdoor.com. The sample at Glassdoor.com was about 2,100 engineers, which may or may not be representative of Lockheed Martin or the aerospace industry as a whole. Lockheed Martin has more than 120,000 employees, so the Glassdoor sample is a small one. Perhaps the $250K salary is for an executive position.

My friend who retired from Lockheed was hired there as a mechanical engineer, and according to Glassdoor, the average salary for such a position at Lockheed is $73K. Over the years he rose to manager level. As we have changed from an industrial society that manufactures a full range of products to one that specializes in information and communication technology, engineering salaries in traditional types of engineering, mechanical, electrical, and civil engineering, have not kept pace with the salaries of software and systems engineers, who are much more in demand today.

The IEEE, the society for electrical engineers, conducts a yearly salary survey, and last year about 17,000 members responded. Electrical engineers have for a long time had the highest salaries as a group, compared to other engineers. IEEE includes all electrical disciplines, and salaries in the survey range from the Electric Power engineers at the bottom to Software and Communications Engineers and managers at the high end. In the IEEE survey, the median salary for a power engineer was $100K, and the median for all electrical engineers was $114K. Unfortunately, the survey results are accessible only to survey respondents or otherwise by buying a copy for $75, so I didn't send you a link.

Thanks again for the Glassdoor information.
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SFCityBear;841909487 said:

Thank you for the tip about Glassdoor.com. Looking through the salaries for Lockheed Martin, there was a position of Engineering Manager listed, and the median salary for that position was $131K, which is about the level that I reported in my post. The only engineering salary above $180K at Lockheed Martin shown on Glassdoor.com was for one Principal Software Engineer at $206K.

While I certainly take your word that you have relatives making salaries in the neighborhood of $250K in the aerospace industry, I did not find any evidence of that on Glassdoor.com. The sample at Glassdoor.com was about 2,100 engineers, which may or may not be representative of Lockheed Martin or the aerospace industry as a whole. Lockheed Martin has more than 120,000 employees, so the Glassdoor sample is a small one. Perhaps the $250K salary is for an executive position.

My friend who retired from Lockheed was hired there as a mechanical engineer, and according to Glassdoor, the average salary for such a position at Lockheed is $73K. Over the years he rose to manager level. As we have changed from an industrial society that manufactures a full range of products to one that specializes in information and communication technology, engineering salaries in traditional types of engineering, mechanical, electrical, and civil engineering, have not kept pace with the salaries of software and systems engineers, who are much more in demand today.

The IEEE, the society for electrical engineers, conducts a yearly salary survey, and last year about 17,000 members responded. Electrical engineers have for a long time had the highest salaries as a group, compared to other engineers. IEEE includes all electrical disciplines, and salaries in the survey range from the Electric Power engineers at the bottom to Software and Communications Engineers and managers at the high end. In the IEEE survey, the median salary for a power engineer was $100K, and the median for all electrical engineers was $114K. Unfortunately, the survey results are accessible only to survey respondents or otherwise by buying a copy for $75, so I didn’t send you a link.

Thanks again for the Glassdoor information.


That is probably right then. My family member was not an engineering manager, just a senior engineer (in software engineering, though, perhaps that is the difference). I thought that managerial level positions would entail a significant salary bump, but I guess not.

Anyway, I'm glad Glassdoor cleared that up. It's a great site to satisfy your curiosity as well, I hope it'll be of use to you in the future.
 
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