Just Kiffin being Kiffin....

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/30/current-trojan-would-give-up-scholarship-to-make-room-for-redd/

Is anybody really surprised? I'd love to be a fly on he wall when Lame Kitten and Pat Haden are in conference.

douche. Kiffin is just a douche.

Welcome to the SEC errrr, I mean SC.

Typical Kiffin...and before 1BTF or someone else says I'm jealous or whatever, I'm pretty much on record saying that about Kiffin when he was with the Raiders and Volunteers. The man simply is one of the most unethical coaches in college...and that is not including this incident which is probably ok in his mind since he told the kid it's a year to year deal.....but some of those Condoms sure are fuc*ing nuts.....

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Regardless, whoever this kid is, he exemplifies the true Trojan spirit. CLK is doing a fantastic job in molding a team-first mentality. If things break the way we all hope, CLK has the potential to put together a better run than CPC had (we hope!)

BTW, did you read the comments below the article? Someone was suggesting that a high dollar alum "thank" the football player when he has graduated and is no longer on the team. Classic!

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If this is the case, then that makes him a two-time winner in my book (offering to open a spot for Redd and to pay for school so the other walk-on that earned a ride can keep his ride). These kids are amazing human beings! Fight On!

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Depending how you look at it, they're practically the same thing. Wonderful position, admission and attitude by the player 'to be named later'....

I think there are a couple in that boat, that knew at some point, the math would rear its ugly head.

This truly is a TEAM.

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http://usc.247sports.com/Board/29/A-Trojan-willing-to-sacrifice-his-scholarship-for-Redd-11092683/1

Why do I get the feeling that the Lubricated Trojans will regret the day they hired this loser.

Tree Cutter...nice. Hehe

Kiffen is just a scumbag. Even Al Davis thought he was sleazy.

USC obviously learned from the Penn State scandal that human decency should come before football. The entire university should be horribly embarrassed by this.

BearLineman;841916321 said:

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I feel for the victims but why couldnt Sandusky have been a USC coach.

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I can appreciate the spirit of your comments but "whoops"! You might have crossed the line.

Didn't he learn anything from the Penn St. situation. That Karma is a Bitch that must be paid. Lame, people before football. He is setting the tone and example for his team. Karma will have her due.

So there was definitely an " IF asked" qualifier, did this actually happen, or did the OCR just throw a question out there to someone they think might be a target?

BearNIt;841916324 said:

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Didn't he learn anything from the Penn St. situation. That Karma is a Bitch that must be paid. Lame, people before football. He is setting the tone and example for his team. Karma will have her due.

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The bitch about Karma is that it may take a few lifetimes to kick in.

Al Davis fires him for being a liar, for fractionalizing the locker room and insubordination.

Tennessee had 2 coaches over a 30 year span and in little over a year, Kiffin disses them and almost causes a riot because he left them high and dry after faking all that "Rocky Top" BS...

Tennessee Titans sue Kiffin for hiring away Kennedy Poala as RB coach when he was under contract...(Jeff Fisher, a SC alum is pi$$ed off)

Condom fans will give all kinds of excuses but honestly, is there any coach you can think of in the last decade, or even longer that ticked off so many teams and fans in such a short time as Lame Kitten?

oops..nm

Cal_Fan2;841916332 said:

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oops..nm

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solid post.

Boot;841916309 said:

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Why do I get the feeling that the Lubricated Trojans will regret the day they hired this loser.

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Yep..no doubt..right after they win the national championship this year..:p

Reminds a bit of the Furd pulling the scholarship on that OL recruit with the 3.9 plus GPA last year because he wasn't "academically qualified" (which of course had nothing at all to do with a more coveted OL recruit agreeing to come). Whatever one thinks of JT, he would just never pull this crap.

Sebastabear;841916346 said:

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Reminds a bit of the Furd pulling the scholarship on that OL recruit with the 3.9 plus GPA last year because he wasn't "academically qualified" (which of course had nothing at all to do with a more coveted OL recruit agreeing to come). Whatever one thinks of JT, he would just never pull this crap.

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True, but that kid was a recruit and while that was a raw deal, he went and got a schollie elsewhere. This SC kid was thinking he'd have a paid schollie year at SC and then BAM, no he doesn't with really no where else to go....I'm sure some booster will make sure he is taken care of....*wink wink* This is more like LSU or Bama instead of the Furd.

The Furd kid also doesn't already have an arrest record for disorderly conduct like Silas Redd.

You can say what you want about Kiffin's sleaze factor but I don't find this story very damning at all, assuming the player is telling the truth - and I don't think he has much reason to lie with his scholarship already threatened. It sounds like Kiffin was completely straight with him. Disgruntled walk-ons can certainly precipitate locker room dysfunction but this is a college football superpower and the article makes it seem like the player was always aware that this could happen.

There is a big difference between Kiffin being upfront that a scholly is a year-to-year thing that may not be renewed versus creating the expectation that you've earned the scholarship for another year and yanking it a month before school starts because a better player came along. The guy's parents now need to come up with another $50K in a month to pay for Kiffin's desire to have a new #2 tailback. If you don't think that's wrong, I don't know what to tell you.

Tell me you all wouldn't make this pact with the devil to get a NC? So, we should just be happy this year with whatever mediocre record we get, and stand up as the beacon of righteousness in college football, while Oregon and USC play for the conference championship.

I have been a fan for 40+ years and I grew in SoCal and basically nothing has changed in 50 years+ of this...from McKay to Carroll and now Kifin...we complain and moan and they win Rose Bowls and NC's and Heismans.

:headbang

72CalBear;841916342 said:

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Yep..no doubt..right after they win the national championship this year..:p

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So the **** what, the minute his athletic scholarship is stripped for Silas Redd, a donor will appear in the athletic office to give a 1-year scholarship to the walk-on, Redd is only stopping over in LA for a season to grab a few trophies on his way to the 2013 Draft, so it's not as if this is a major game changer (pardon the pun) for the walk-on, he is aware that he entered the program without a scholarship guarantee and that he could lose his spot anytime.

Most seriously.........why do we continue to play these guys....we will not do the things they have done since the 1920's......so why do we play them year after year and have them beat our brains in with their actions.......acts that we will never tolerate ourselves...?

...just F***ING A** STUPID ON OUR PART.............from day 1.

TheSouseFamily;841916362 said:

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The guy's parents now need to come up with another $50K in a month to pay for Kiffin's desire to have a new #2 tailback. If you don't think that's wrong, I don't know what to tell you.

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it's definitely bad PR for SC, but wasn't this kid's parents planning to pay the $50k initially (as in when he decided on a school w/o getting a athletic scholly)...or if they weren't paying for all, he would be getting $$ from some combination of aid/work/parents?

Also, couldn't SC just give him an academic scholarship? Some donor gives the academic side $50k and it 'somehow' finds its way to the player whose scholly is stripped. So he wouldn't get the benefits of a full scholarship athlete like the training table and prestige, but wouldn't be out the $$$.

Cal_Fan2;841916356 said:

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True, but that kid was a recruit and while that was a raw deal, he went and got a schollie elsewhere. This SC kid was thinking he'd have a paid schollie year at SC and then BAM, no he doesn't with really no where else to go....I'm sure some booster will make sure he is taken care of....*wink wink* This is more like LSU or Bama instead of the Furd.

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Y'all need to give specific instances when LSU or Bama did this or back off. It sounds like the ultimate whine when you generically accuse the 2 schools in the NC game. You dismiss the Furd situation as not analogous in favor of a non-existent situation at other schools. Based on what? Jealousy, innuendo, group generated and developed big lies? Now, do those schools do things that others might find objectionable? Maybe, probably, and I'm sure Penn State fans have been making similar comments to yours for years about other schools. Its college football. Everyone's sh^t stinks. Those that pretend theirs don't are the ones probably hiding the pedophiles. And don't pretend that if it would guarantee a Rose Bowl, you wouldn't do the same thing and throw in your left nut. Most of this site gave Tosh daily oral-jobs but then when he flipped us around to take the other end too, he became the bad guy - "we would NEVER have someone like that on OUR staff." Except for when we did. (sorry for the tone - its not against you specifically but the recurrent BI meme. Sort of like Olympics - 16 yo Chinese girl does great - she has to be juiced. 17 yo M Franklin turns around in 10 minutes from a semis race to win a gold and we say, "Oh what a fine young American girl. She is so mature!") And of course we may do the exact same thing this week to get an ILB.

biely medved;841916408 said:

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Y'all need to give specific instances when LSU or Bama did this or back off. It sounds like the ultimate whine when you generically accuse the 2 schools in the NC game. You dismiss the Furd situation as not analogous in favor of a non-existent situation at other schools. Based on what? Jealousy, innuendo, group generated and developed big lies? Now, do those schools do things that others might find objectionable? Maybe, probably, and I'm sure Penn State fans have been making similar comments to yours for years about other schools. Its college football. Everyone's sh^t stinks. Those that pretend theirs don't are the ones probably hiding the pedophiles. And don't pretend that if it would guarantee a Rose Bowl, you wouldn't do the same thing and throw in your left nut. Most of this site gave Tosh daily oral-jobs but then when he flipped us around to take the other end too, he became the bad guy - "we would NEVER have someone like that on OUR staff." Except for when we did. (sorry for the tone - its not against you specifically but the recurrent BI meme. Sort of like Olympics - 16 yo Chinese girl does great - she has to be juiced. 17 yo M Franklin turns around in 10 minutes from a semis race to win a gold and we say, "Oh what a fine young American girl. She is so mature!") And of course we may do the exact same thing this week to get an ILB.

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Back in the day Tosh was loved around here for what we all had visibility - the results, and pretty damn good ones. His true colors surfaced for us to see this past Feb, and it was despicable. Of course our opinions would change after such conduct. We never knew him to be such a person before...

With respect to the Chinese girl swimmer, it's not about her, but the Chinese government. They are so hung-up on how they look to the world, the image of it all, they'll do whatever they want to reach a desired end with complete disregard to the means. In my line of work, a good portion of it dealing with counterfeit equipment, the vast majority traces back to China. The government will not cooperate one bit. Bunch of pricks. One of their biggest companies copied our products, denied it to the very end, even when the software was found to have the same bugs as our software, lol. Like so many Chinese companies, state sponsored. Reverse engineer, do anything for a buck mentality...

The Olympics held there 4 years ago with the Chinese female gymnasts... Several of them, by expert accounts, noting normal body / age characteristics, were clearly below the minimum age of 14. And the cute little girl lip-syncing during the opening ceremony reveals the pathetic "look at us" obsession.

With 1.3 billion people alone, China should excel at the Games. Add to that the conviction of the government to make medaling (and meddling) a focus, they will dominate. The question is how are they going to realize their aspirations. Forgot where I read it, but the Chinese have had more athletes caught doping in the Olympics than any other country, by a margin of over 3:1. The most recent of these were in the 90's, swimmers as I recall. Sure other countries have too, including the US, but there's a massive difference when it's one athlete making a wrong choice as opposed to a government dictating from above...

The Chinese government has a huge vested interest in these people they groom into athletes to put on the world stage. I've read and heard of plenty of stories of how young Chinese kids are selected for certain sports at very young ages. How they practice around the clock, removed from their families so they can make the 'central country' proud.

How many of these Chinese athletes are working at a job, or two even, going to college, raising kids, etc? I can't speak for these Games, but from what I knew before, they all were supported by the government so all of their time could be dedicated to their sport. The interest of the Chinese government to do well seemingly knows no bounds...

Missy Franklin was mentioned... To contrast the above, she simply fell in love with swimming at a young age. She's still at home with her family and attends high school. An otherwise normal life, all things considered. This is true for so many Olympians here. They have jobs, attend universities, are married and raising kids, all while training. I've often read about how some of our aspiring athletes have taken loans and borrowed money from colleagues for plane fare to compete. I realize that some US athletes, I think gymnast Gabby Douglas might be one, choose to train away from their families. The key word here is "choose" though, as in one's own volition...

It is without question that the Chinese government takes these Games extremely seriously. They are involved to a degree for which the US government is not, nor probably any other government. Such intervention and intrusion would not be tolerated here and elsewhere. It is not out of line to think that the Chinese government would tamper even further through other means, such as doping, yet again.

The sad thing about this is that what if the Chinese swimmer in question really is clean. China's past transgressions and current conduct in world affairs unfortunately makes one wonder... Swimming the final leg faster than her male counterpart has never happened before. Circumstantially, it doesn't look good. The American swim coach should have ideally kept his mouth shut, or at least been more careful with his choice of words.

Oh, and Kiffen is a punk. And China's colors remind me too much of Southern Cal too! Had to get us back on track, lol.

Cal89;841916419 said:

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yes the evil chinese government, taking hundreds of millions out of poverty in half a century just to make themselves look good!

I'm pretty sure that you just gave a great example of what beily was talking about, which I agree with. Kinda like the motorcycle quote, there are two kinds of college coaches, ones that cheat and ones that havent gotten caught yet

Here is a good article that discusses the problem of signing more kids than there are scholarships for. Apparently, there's a website, referenced in the article, that analyzes over signing: www.oversigning.com. The four worst culprits? All SEC schools, including Alabama and LSU. Oh, and USC was the 7th worst oversigner and the only PAC-12 team on the list. Biely, your response?

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/college_athletes_rights_some_a.html

FingeroftheBear;841916296 said:

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Actually it's $C being $C...axe falls on them so someone has to pay the price and why not the kids?

Strong argument for full 4-yr schollies, to kill player swap outs.

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Playing for someone like Kiffin is like playing for Darth Vader. If you screw up or if the coach finds someone better, you are history. Too bad that you put your future in the hands of some snake oil salesman who can't be trusted.

I recall that many of us were perfectly fine with the idea of removing Robert Thurman's scholarship if Monty landed a quality big man after the class was already full. Just saying.

FingeroftheBear;841916296 said:

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Actually it's $C being $C...axe falls on them so someone has to pay the price and why not the kids?

Strong argument for full 4-yr schollies, to kill player swap outs.

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Schollies should be 6 years or when the player graduates, which ever is shorter...

Punish the schools for not graduating players, reward the students by giving them a better opportunity to graduate.

TheSouseFamily;841916422 said:

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Here is a good article that discusses the problem of signing more kids than there are scholarships for. Apparently, there's a website, referenced in the article, that analyzes over signing: www.oversigning.com. The four worst culprits? All SEC schools, including Alabama and LSU. Oh, and USC was the 7th worst oversigner and the only PAC-12 team on the list. Biely, your response?

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/college_athletes_rights_some_a.html

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Thanks for posting....not sure why biely medved is getting so defensive for the SEC but it is well documented that they do nefarious things with schollies and THEY more than any other conference tends to have not only more oversignings but more kids leaving due to medical hardships, or this and that in mysterious fashion....I'm not gonna google every instance but many players from those two teams have complained of getting shafted...some were seniors that got their schollies yanked....

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Les Miles manages scholarships about as well as he manages the game clock in the waning seconds of a tight game. If it does turn out that LSU does not have room for Johnson and someone has to leave the program in order for LSU to stay under the 85 limit LSU should be banned from oversigning for life. They should have to report their number of available spots on NSD to the NCAA and then only be allowed to sign what they have room for on NSD. If someone leaves after NSD then they can sign another player to that scholarship after the player leaving has a cleared an exit interview with the NCAA. That should be their punishment if they, for a second year in a row, have to pull a scholarship at the last minute or play games with the numbers to come in at 85.

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http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2011/08/06/elliott-porter-2-0/

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Here is what appears to be the final shake down on Alabama's post NSD attrition this year. Much like last year, Alabama is one of the few teams in the country to lose double-digit players post NSD. Quick, name another school that has lost 21 scholarships players between NSD and August over the last 2 years. That's an entire recruiting class. And 6 of those 21 were medical hardships. Here is the attrition for Alabama between National Signing Day and the August deadline to get to 85 players for the last two years. Any way you slice it that is a lot of attrition. For comparison's sake, Penn State has had 2 players leave their program over the last two years during this period of time.

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http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2011/07/22/alabamas-march-to-85-finished/

tequila4kapp;841916429 said:

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I recall that many of us were perfectly fine with the idea of removing Robert Thurman's scholarship if Monty landed a quality big man after the class was already full. Just saying.

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Agreed, I recall the same.

The kid went to SC as a walk-on with no expectations of receiving a scholarship, combine that with SC's sanctions and he was lucky to get even one year of scholarship. Kiffin was up front with him about it.

I think Kiffin is a sleaze, but I find it difficult to find too much fault here. I think what Stanford did to that recruit was far worse.