Need a new adjective. Ten penalties in the first half- called for offsides on the kickoff TWICE...etc.

No he's just a crappy coach at this point. Five years of garbage coaching.

i think the key word for our team is "confused". confusing offense, confusing schemes, confusing lack of discipline, confusing personnel choices, confusing results.

Relative to the talent he has, I think mediocre is generous at this point.

SmellinRoses;841942795 said:

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Need a new adjective. Ten penalties in the first half- called for offsides on the kickoff TWICE...etc.

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Tedilicious????

beeasyed;841942801 said:

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i think the key word for our team is "confused". confusing offense, confusing schemes, confusing lack of discipline, confusing personnel choices, confusing results.

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Neuheisel called it "disorganized". Organization was JT's hallmarks early in his tenure. I call it "barely watchable."

Dumford.

insecure?

KoreAmBear;841942802 said:

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Relative to the talent he has, I think mediocre is generous at this point.

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This.

He's hands down the worst coach in the Pac-12. Not even remotely debatable.

Disgraceful. Fire this worthless, overpaid pantload of a coach.

Ready to replace mediocre with - terrible...

Tedfurd

Pussy

It simply doesn't get any worse than this, please fire the damn guy, where have the sunshine pumpers disappeared too ?

Everybody, no matter the profession, has seen or knows someone who was capable, even good, but couldn't keep up with change ... and disappeared. Tedford has proven he is such a person. BUT .. .he won't disappear ... he has that contract and will continue to get millions of dollars. Sandy has the stadium to pay for and she has to be preparing her resume, getting ready to escape.

Bornbear;841943047 said:

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If Tedford was mediocre CAL would have played in a BCS game by now. Talent hasn't been the issue.

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Tedford hasn't won a bowl game since Bush was president. That's beyond medicore.

Whwn you hear Tedford talk after the game, I think that he thinks that there in nothing wrong with him. His denial is up in the clouds

Mediocre is generous...we suck.

The only reason we exploded in the second half is a few plays by 4-5* players against the USU team...those plays had nothing to do with coaching.

jimsf;841942858 said:

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It simply doesn't get any worse than this, please fire the damn guy, where have the sunshine pumpers disappeared too ?

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We are terrible..happy? :p

No question the Bears have not been in sinc offensively thus far this season - but the comments of "fire Tedford" "pool of talent", should be in BCS game etc are far overblown and premature for so early in the season. While injuries are certainly part of the game - this team is missing two key starting OL players and its extremely difficult to not feel such effects. Couple that with very young receivers (in rogers, treggs, harper) and you see execution break downs on occasion. Defensively - similar situation with three solid lb's out in Wilkerson Fortt, Whitesides and now possibly McCain.
Yes Cal has not performed to expected standards thus far, but lets see how this season plays out before we bury the coach and team.

4thGenCal;841943204 said:

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No question the Bears have not been in sinc offensively thus far this season - but the comments of "fire Tedford" "pool of talent", should be in BCS game etc are far overblown and premature for so early in the season.

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you can't look at the performance of this team in the first two games in isolation. you have to take into account the performance of the last few seasons. looking at how we've regressed, and seeing how we got RUN OVER by Nevada YET AGAIN in our home opener...that was the final straw for me.

i don't need to see the rest of this season to draw my own conclusions. even if we managed to squeeze in a few quality wins this season, i already have a good idea how JT is losing this team from how we've started this season--against weak opponents, no less.

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...Couple that with very young receivers (in rogers, treggs, harper) and you see execution break downs on occasion. Defensively - similar situation with three solid lb's out in Wilkerson Fortt, Whitesides and now possibly McCain.
Yes Cal has not performed to expected standards thus far, but lets see how this season plays out before we bury the coach and team.

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wait, are you saying how sh*tty we've looked has to do w/ the inexperience of our WRs??? how have they done anything to make us look bad, other than Harper having a case of the fumbles at times??

and as for LBs, injuries don't explain away the terrible scheming against Nevada or the same mistakes in reads for the backers and our safeties. that's on coaching.

unless you're a new Cal fan, there's no reason why you should keep making these excuses.

Downwardly mobile

BeachyBear;841942825 said:

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Disgraceful. Fire this worthless, overpaid pantload of a coach.

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OK, but please don't let Sandy do the hiring. She has no clue.

SmellinRoses;841942795 said:

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Need a new adjective. Ten penalties in the first half- called for offsides on the kickoff TWICE...etc.

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How about pathetic? This team is barely competitive against less-talented teams, much less Pac-12 teams. :rant

72CalBear;841943178 said:

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We are terrible..happy? :p

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Seriously. Why try to be so divisive? And why is everybody going out of their way to be so unclassy to the staff? We are down, but no need to go into the gutter altogether.

davetdds;841943121 said:

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Whwn you hear Tedford talk after the game, I think that he thinks that there in nothing wrong with him. His denial is up in the clouds

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Bingo! That's why he is always blaming "execution" and throwing the kids under the bus ....

chazzed;841943858 said:

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Seriously. Why try to be so divisive? And why is everybody going out of their way to be so unclassy to the staff? We are down, but no need to go into the gutter altogether.

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There is a very good reason for this. Us fans are at the very bottom of the list of priorities for JT. Many might think that is the way it is supposed to be. But consider this. The fans foot the bill for everything the players and coaches are doing. We enjoy football on the weekend after working real hard jobs during the week. When you play the kind of ultra conservative (can't go for it on 4th down) football that JT plays, you are saying, "I don't care about the fans. I don't care about giving the fans some excitement. All that matters is the players". That is pretty unclassy attitude to take with the fans. If the staff doesn't think they owe something to the fans, then they deserve all of this.

If you look at his whole career, mediocre probably doesn't do it justice. Compared to his predecessors, he has totally outperformed. People like to point out AR or assume we had the talent all along, but he deserves credit for getting it done in the early years. We owe him that despite our anger now.

Let's look at recent history then:
* 2008: 9-4 (6-3 Pac-10)
* 2009: 85 (54 Pac-10)
* 2010: 57 (36 Pac-10)
* 2011: 76 (45 Pac-12)

To me that looks like a (barely) above mediocre performance. I'm defining mediocre as performance where losses equals wins to take the emotion out of it.

People say we have the talent but we're underperforming. I'd like to see an unbiased analysis of this. For example, let's see the average and total star rating for the Cal football team vs other teams in the Pac-12. Do we really have more raw talent coming in? Is our coaching, on the whole, really worse?

I wonder what people here think of Mike Riley. Bad, good, mediocre? OSU's performance over the last four years is pretty close to ours (minus last year where they did significantly worse). He's been there since '03. Should he be fired immediately?

I know I sound like an apologist but I'm just trying to keep a level head here and look at the data. I think there's a lot of emotion around here (understandably).

SmellinRoses;841942795 said:

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Need a new adjective. Ten penalties in the first half- called for offsides on the kickoff TWICE...etc.

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Yeah, wasn't there also a laughable sequence near the end of the first half where we called a time out to set up a play, then came out looking confused and had to call ANOTHER time out because the play clock was winding down. Then we lined up again and someone false-started.

I mean, holy cow! Well-coached teams don't pull this crap. They might get beat when the other team plays better, but they don't beat themselves like this.

TarzanaBear;841943941 said:

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2012 - 2-10

How does it look now?

Mike Riley just beat wisconsin. He's also beaten USC twice recently and had Oregon State one game away from the rose bowl in back to back seasons in recent memory. Even if you ignore our rather significant advantages over Oregon State Tedford still doesnt compare favorably to riley.

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To be fair to JT, the season isn't over yet. Let's judge him on what he's done.

One win here, one win there. Meh. Look at all the data. If you can prove that Riley has beaten significantly more (from a statistical perspective) ranked opponents, then that's a trend worth noting. Cherry-picked data doesn't really do anything for me.

What are our "rather significant advantages" that we have over OSU? Just curious.

Honestly, I'm more inclined to think that "we are who we are" and people here are significantly overestimating how much talent we have. Again, I'm willing to be proved wrong but I'd rather see some raw, meaningful data rather than a bunch of opinions backed by spotty, cherry-picked data.

freshfunk;841943982 said:

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What are our "rather significant advantages" that we have over OSU? Just curious.

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Recruiting, for one. Oregon State is a smaller school in the middle of nowhere; they can rarely get the top recruits in the region. Cal pulls in far more of these just based on location.

TarzanaBear;841943941 said:

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2012 - 2-10

How does it look now?

Mike Riley just beat wisconsin. He's also beaten USC twice recently and had Oregon State one game away from the rose bowl in back to back seasons in recent memory. Even if you ignore our rather significant advantages over Oregon State Tedford still doesnt compare favorably to riley.

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Agreed. Plus he has beat 10 top 25 teams in a relatively short period of time. How many top 25 teams has Tedford beat?

oskibear1988;841943991 said:

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Agreed. Plus he has beat 10 top 25 teams in a relatively short period of time. How many top 25 teams has Tedford beat?

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Dating back to 2005, we are 9-15 against ranked opponents. OSU 8-18

However, dating back to 2007 we are 2 for our last 11. OSU is 5 for their last 17.

Riley isn't that good. Fine for the Beavers but we should be shooting higher.

Plus - and this important in respect to emotions around the program - the Beaves seem to get BETTER as the year goes on. We seem to regress.