What would you have done differently?

And make your case for how that would've won us the game.

Catch: You can't switch out our players for players NOT on our current team.

I'm not apologizing for him but I don't think coaching lost us the game. And, frankly, I want to see the obvious things that JT missed that you guys think wouldve won us the game.

freshfunk;841957007 said:

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What would you have done differently?

And make your case for how that would've won us the game.

Catch: You can't switch out our players for players NOT on our current team.

I'm not apologizing for him but I don't think coaching lost us the game. And, frankly, I want to see the obvious things that JT missed that you guys think wouldve won us the game.

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Quinn, just stop posting ... you're not convincing anyone ...

freshfunk;841957007 said:

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What would you have done differently?

And make your case for how that would've won us the game.

Catch: You can't switch out our players for players NOT on our current team.

I'm not apologizing for him but I don't think coaching lost us the game. And, frankly, I want to see the obvious things that JT missed that you guys think wouldve won us the game.

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Jesus, did you see the game? For one, more Bigelow. Two, no more seven f*cking step drops with Maynard.

RaphaelAglietti;841957012 said:

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Quinn, just stop posting ... you're not convincing anyone ...

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Raphael, maybe you can break out a couple more pivot charts along with percentages that you pulled out of your behind for making the "obvious" and "definitive" case on how you're right.

Hurry up. I'm waiting.

I would have Given birdg and hinder a fair shot during fall camP
I would have prepped the team for bridg starting the first game
I would run bigelow 10+ times a game. On play action amd fakes as well
I would have used a trick play, a flea flicker, etc
I would have run CJ inside, bigelow outside, use my personell well

I would have gone for the TD instead of the First FG where he ran maynard middle to center the ball
I would have sat maynard for bad body language

I would have challenged that fumble without the reminder from my WHOLE TEAM

enough for ya?

AU_Bears;841957019 said:

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Jesus, did you see the game? For one, more Bigelow. Two, no more seven f*cking step drops with Maynard.

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Did you?

Did you see that last kick return from Biggie? Nothing.

Has he done that before? Actually most of the time Biggie doesn't get much yardage on kick off return. Statistically speaking.

He's good. I like him. I think he's explosive. I just don't see it as an obvious way he would've won for us.

They were shutting down our running game all day long except for a few QB keepers, 3rd/long draws and throws to the TE.

ZM isn't great but the guy needs more than 1 second for receivers to get free.

freshfunk;841957007 said:

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What would you have done differently?

And make your case for how that would've won us the game.

Catch: You can't switch out our players for players NOT on our current team.

I'm not apologizing for him but I don't think coaching lost us the game. And, frankly, I want to see the obvious things that JT missed that you guys think wouldve won us the game.

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Freshfunk, I am on your side. I also believe Tedford has never done anything wrong and always has players that continue to fail to execute game after game. JT has a huge burden on himself just to try to keep these games respectable vs well executing opponent players who are much smarter and more talented.

One decade, different players, different assistants, different venues, 1 win, 1 constant. JT. That's all I got. Enough for me to not be too happy though. Oh well...

Arcadiabear;841957028 said:

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I wont have Given birdg and hinder a fair shot during fall camP
I would have prepped the team for bridg starting the first game
I would run bigelow 10+ times a game. On play action amd fakes as well
I would have used a trick play, a flea flicker, etc
I would have run CJ inside, bigelow outside, use my personell well

I would have gone for the TD instead of the First FG where he ran maynard middle to center the ball
I would have sat maynard for bad body language

I would have challenged that fumble withou the reminder from mya WHOLE TEAM

enough for ya?

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That's all good.

You're sure that wins the game for us today though? Or is this just more incessant complaining?

You think we can trick play our way to a win against $C? Keep dreaming.

freshfunk;841957007 said:

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What would you have done differently?

And make your case for how that would've won us the game.

Catch: You can't switch out our players for players NOT on our current team.

I'm not apologizing for him but I don't think coaching lost us the game. And, frankly, I want to see the obvious things that JT missed that you guys think wouldve won us the game.

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1. Get your best player (Bigelow) some touches in the first half
2. Get your best player (Bigelow) some touches in the second half
3. Reduce Maynard's role to "game-manager"-- hand the ball off, don't fumble, don't throw interceptions
4. When he was forced to pass:
-more designed roll-outs to the LEFT
-target the TE more (before he got hurt)

That's just off the top of my head in 30 seconds. Imagine if you actually paid a competent person full-time to think of this stuff what they could come up with.

-R

You're saying Bigelow didn't do much during Kick Returns, but when he was part of the offense, he had over 7 yards per carry. Not only was he a threat, he opened up the secondary because a safety had to watch him. Isi's 2 yards per carry didn't worry anyone.

tommie317;841957034 said:

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Freshfunk, I am on your side. I also believe Tedford has never done anything wrong and always has players that continue to fail to execute game after game. JT has a huge burden on himself just to try to keep these games respectable vs well executing opponent players who are much smarter and more talented.

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I'm not saying the guy's infallible. I'm not saying there are plays I would've done differently.

But I dont' think coaching lost us the game today. I think $C just has WAY more talent than we do.

Particularly at:
* QB
* WRs (both of them)
* DL
* DB

The only area where I think we have as good or even better talent is RB but the players I'm thinking of arent' fully developed yet.

freshfunk;841957039 said:

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That's all good.

You're sure that wins the game for us today though? Or is this just more incessant complaining?

You think we can trick play our way to a win against $C? Keep dreaming.

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All i wanted is a chance. A chance to win
Tedford does not have the house in order. Assistants, players openly rebellig in public

No energy no motivation no recognition of the situation/need for challenge

Plus i can be hired for $100k not 2 mil

GoldenYears;841957050 said:

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I would try to win the game.

I may not actually succeed. I may not have the talent to pull it off. But I would be aggressively trying to make plays, rather than making sure I can kick field goals to avoid being shut out.

And Brendan Bigelow would get the majority of the playing time at tailback.

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Fire JT quick and hire GoldenYears as HC. "Trying to win the game" sounds like a fantastic plan for winning the game.

What would you have done differently?

Not sure why you're defending the performance of a blowout

Its not really about this one game. Its the pattern of starting QBs who can't perform consistently backed up by QBs who can't perform period combined with the extremely conservatice playcalling and occasionally mind numbing poor game management. We can rationalize it away the first few times, but after a while you peel back the layers and I can only come to one conclusion, and it points right to the man at the top.

We can blame class after class of 20 year old kids all days for not executing, but after a while it'll fall on the management. I appreciate everything Tedford has done for us, but I think its time we moved on. The program is stale, the results are consistently the same. I want nothing more than to be wrong about him, but the past few seasons have all the evidence I need.

ayetee11;841957048 said:

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You're saying Bigelow didn't do much during Kick Returns, but when he was part of the offense, he had over 7 yards per carry. Not only was he a threat, he opened up the secondary because a safety had to watch him. Isi's 2 yards per carry didn't worry anyone.

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I saw 2 plays where the QB keeper was a threat and there was room in the middle to run and he got 7/8 yards.

Except for that I didn't see much from Biggie today.

I want more from him and I think he's capable. Just saying I don't think putting him in guarantees the win or even guarantees much of a difference today. Biggie doesn't play OL, WR, QB, ILB or DB.

freshfunk;841957007 said:

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What would you have done differently?

And make your case for how that would've won us the game.

Catch: You can't switch out our players for players NOT on our current team.

I'm not apologizing for him but I don't think coaching lost us the game. And, frankly, I want to see the obvious things that JT missed that you guys think wouldve won us the game.

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OMG.. Where do I even start..

Did you see how many times ZM didn't even see wide open receivers deep (sometimes in the end zone)? And when he actually saw them he constantly missed them by 20 feet.
The reason why we had a mini rally going in the 3rd quarter is because of Biggie. So what does JT do? Bench him for the rest of the game, and bring on Isi and kill the rally. And then JT calls two TO's only to have ZM throw an INT. How about calling plays that WORK, and find a QB that can actually complete a pass. Having a kicker who can actually kick will be nice as well.

Ace4eVer;841957061 said:

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Its not really about this one game. Its the pattern of starting QBs who can't perform consistently backed up by QBs who can't perform period combined with the extremely conservatice playcalling and occasionally mind numbing poor game management. We can rationalize it away the first few times, but after a while you peel back the layers and I can only come to one conclusion, and it points right to the man at the top.

We can blame class after class of 20 year old kids all days for not executing, but after a while it'll fall on the management. I appreciate everything Tedford has done for us, but I think its time we moved on. The program is stale, the results are consistently the same. I want nothing more than to be wrong about him, but the past few seasons have all the evidence I need.

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I'm just asking about today's game vs $C.

CalBearz02;841957060 said:

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Well, you're wrong again for the 2nd time in this thread in which you got off to a good start with the OP.

The difference in this game is the QB. Any other Pac QB we win by 2 scores; with Longshore we win by 3 scores, with Rodgers we win by 5 scores. Sometimes you can't overcome a bad QB.

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Perhaps you misunderstood my threat. I was saying that $C has more talent than us at QB. That's it.

CALigulabob;841957058 said:

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What would you have done differently?

Not sure why you're defending the performance of a blowout

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THat's besides the point.

I think we just got outperformed and out-talented at too many positions. I don't think the coaching decisions made today lost us the game. (This is separated from the long term development of the team by the HC.)

Ace4eVer;841957061 said:

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Its not really about this one game. Its the pattern of starting QBs who can't perform consistently backed up by QBs who can't perform period combined with the extremely conservatice playcalling and occasionally mind numbing poor game management. We can rationalize it away the first few times, but after a while you peel back the layers and I can only come to one conclusion, and it points right to the man at the top.

We can blame class after class of 20 year old kids all days for not executing, but after a while it'll fall on the management. I appreciate everything Tedford has done for us, but I think its time we moved on. The program is stale, the results are consistently the same. I want nothing more than to be wrong about him, but the past few seasons have all the evidence I need.

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My impression is the same. Maybe JT got comfortable with his salary, let us not forget coaching at this level is more than a full time job, it's a life. Remember those days JT taking recruiting trips to Australia or wherever for a punter? Gone. Coaching young athletes is about making men out of boys, building their confidence and developing them into professionals. It Just seems like he's disinterested in the job..Been so for a while now

freshfunk;841957052 said:

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I'm not saying the guy's infallible. I'm not saying there are plays I would've done differently.

But I dont' think coaching lost us the game today. I think $C just has WAY more talent than we do.

Particularly at:
* QB
* WRs (both of them)
* DL
* DB

The only area where I think we have as good or even better talent is RB but the players I'm thinking of arent' fully developed yet.

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Dude, you seem like a nice guy...but does it make you think that you're the ONLY one still defending teddy? I just can't see how, like Maynard, he's anywhere close to pac12 caliber

Responsibilities of a [U]Head[/U] Coach?

Arcadiabear;841957028 said:

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I would have Given birdg and hinder a fair shot during fall camP
I would have prepped the team for bridg starting the first game
I would run bigelow 10+ times a game. On play action amd fakes as well
I would have used a trick play, a flea flicker, etc
I would have run CJ inside, bigelow outside, use my personell well

I would have gone for the TD instead of the First FG where he ran maynard middle to center the ball
I would have sat maynard for bad body language

I would have challenged that fumble without the reminder from my WHOLE TEAM

enough for ya?

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1. Both Bridge and Hinder suck
2. Agree on Bigs. Give him as many touches as possible
3. no trick plays, we cant even get regular plays down with consistency
4.obviously.
5. sure
6. maynard isnt a child.

"with Longshore we win by 3 scores...

:tedford

freshfunk;841957052 said:

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I'm not saying the guy's infallible. I'm not saying there are plays I would've done differently.

But I dont' think coaching lost us the game today. I think $C just has WAY more talent than we do.

Particularly at:
* QB
* WRs (both of them)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -HUH?????????
* DL
* DB

The only area where I think we have as good or even better talent is RB but the players I'm thinking of arent' fully developed yet.

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Our WR's were WIDE OPEN.
1. Maynard only looks for Keenan, and then over throws him.
2. He doesn't even look at Treggs, who must feel like he is solely a decoy.

And the horrible throws in the 3rd quarter weren't on the OL. Maynard just plain misfired.

Tedfords game management is poor. His continually fielding mistake prone teams is worse.

The issue at this point is that Tedford has built a team we KNOW will lose. How he did it this week is irrelevant.

freshfunk;841957052 said:

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I'm not saying the guy's infallible. I'm not saying there are plays I would've done differently.

But I dont' think coaching lost us the game today. I think $C just has WAY more talent than we do.

Particularly at:
* QB
* WRs (both of them)
* DL
* DB

The only area where I think we have as good or even better talent is RB but the players I'm thinking of arent' fully developed yet.

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USC has more talent that Stanford - by a wide margin. Stanford has a young qb with less experience than Maynard. How did Stanford win? Coaching undoubtedly was a huge part of why Stanford won.

As an aside, I think many people feel as I do. Winning is what matters. But if you're going to lose, at least make ensure your team is well prepared, has the best possible game plan, and doesnt make mental mistakes - all things which are incumbent upon a coach. JT has been a miserable failure in these areas and to me, that is more disappointing and embarrassing to me than losing. It is how I felt in the Gilby years - Cal football has become a laughingstock again.

freshfunk;841957075 said:

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THat's besides the point.

I think we just got outperformed and out-talented at too many positions. I don't think the coaching decisions made today lost us the game. (This is separated from the long term development of the team by the HC.)

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Freshfunk,


seriously give it up ...

You've never coached a sport in your life - and the difference is I have. You clearly do not understand what is required of a coach head or otherwise.

A head coach is ultimately responsible for putting his players in the best possible position to succeed.

A head coach is also responsible for the product on the field.

You know how I know Tedford completely botched that game ... I don't have enough hands or feet to count the number of glaring coaching mistakes that Tedford made against USC

1. One of your best/most dynamic players was barely on the field despite the fact when he did carry the ball he was unstoppable and USC had no answer for him.

2. You remember when SC got that penalty when the USC player ran to the wrong sideline Cal followed up that with a delay of game penalty. How is that even possible?

3. How about the two time outs blown in the span of a minute in the second half ...

Those are just for starters. I could re-watch the game and write down at least 20 more...

Was USC more talented? Yes, but they were playing like horseshit and literally tried about everything to hand the game over to Cal.

Agureghian;841957107 said:

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1. Both Bridge and Hinder suck
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And how do we know this? Practices are closed. They never play, except the start of the Nevada game - and JT didn't even give AB the reps in practice to make that work.

From the few that somehow managed to see some of the spring practices and post here, it would seem they disagree with you.

freshfunk;841957007 said:

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What would you have done differently?

And make your case for how that would've won us the game.

Catch: You can't switch out our players for players NOT on our current team.

I'm not apologizing for him but I don't think coaching lost us the game. And, frankly, I want to see the obvious things that JT missed that you guys think wouldve won us the game.

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Most of the stuff a headcoach does to win a game happens in the days, weeks, months and years before the game is even played.

1. How does he recruit and hire and deal with assistant coaches.
2. Same question for players
3. How does he instill his vision and strategies in the team and coaches.

and on and on. I suggest reading Bill Walsh's book Finding the Winning Edge for a complete description of all the things a head coach has to deal with. Yah, there is game day stuff but 99% of the book talks about all the other stuff a head coach has to do and do well to be successful. It is a daunting list and it makes you appreciate why head coaches get the money they do. Obviously Tedford isn't doing this stuff as well as he used to. I think we can all see that by the results on the field, and not just the final score but also by the quality of our play.

Haashole;841957089 said:

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Dude, you seem like a nice guy...but does it make you think that you're the ONLY one still defending teddy? I just can't see how, like Maynard, he's anywhere close to pac12 caliber

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It's not so much defending Teddy as thinking that most of the opinions here are not great (that's me holding my tongue).

After all how many people here had Cal winning or even coming close today. Look how BAD the opinions are here?

And these are the same opinions making judgments on the game and JT.

I'd like to see what a new HC could do but a new HC doesn't mean we automatically win against $C. Sometimes you just dont' have the talent to win.

We couldn't really get much of anything going today.

SanMateoBear;841957124 said:

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Our WR's were WIDE OPEN.
1. Maynard only looks for Keenan, and then over throws him.
2. He doesn't even look at Treggs, who must feel like he is solely a decoy.

And the horrible throws in the 3rd quarter weren't on the OL. Maynard just plain misfired.

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True that.

But that's on Maynard, not on JT.

Sure you could make the argument that JT put ZM in (a decision i'm not happy with) but I'm not entirely convinced we have a QB that wins the game for us today.

SanMateoBear;841957142 said:

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And how do we know this? Practices are closed. They never play, except the start of the Nevada game - and JT didn't even give AB the reps in practice to make that work.

From the few that somehow managed to see some of the spring practices and post here, it would seem they disagree with you.

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The meme that gets repeated on this board a lot is that Kline is far and away the best QB on the team... and that he's 4th on the depth chart just proves there's a conspiracy to keep new guys down or something.

Like anybody really ****ing knows the answer who's the best.