He's calling the plays, but there is someone that needs to make the plays. The calls were there, the plays were there, the guy running the plays can't execute the plays. That team revolves around a QB. If your QB has bad body language and can't execute you are setup for disaster. Let's face it, we might have that QB that has what it takes on the sidelines and his name is Kline. Maynard isn't the answer he knows it, his brother now knows it, the team knows it and I know the fans know it. The walking out of bounds on 3rd in long just wrote his legacy as a quiter. Let's get back home and beat up the Sun Devils. Go Bears!!!!!

It is Tedford. Every guy on the Pac12 network, all 3 of them were dumbfounded that JT stopped running the ball and put it in the hands of ZM. They all pretty much said ZM was not getting it done. Why abandon the run?.. That is JT's call or one of his coaches.

You're right, it's not tedford. It's been solely our qb's fault the past 5 years. Wish those damn bad starting qb's would bench themselves...

"It's not you, it's me"

Wonder if those words will be uttered in Sandy's office sometime this season ...

matadude;841957592 said:

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He's calling the plays, but there is someone that needs to make the plays. The calls were there, the plays were there, the guy running the plays can't execute the plays. That team revolves around a QB. If your QB has bad body language and can't execute you are setup for disaster. Let's face it, we might have that QB that has what it takes on the sidelines and his name is Kline. Maynard isn't the answer he knows it, his brother now knows it, the team knows it and I know the fans know it. The walking out of bounds on 3rd in long just wrote his legacy as a quiter. Let's get back home and beat up the Sun Devils. Go Bears!!!!!

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I award this one of the top ten worst posts of 2012.

Everyone knows Maynard isn't the answer but you left out the one guy who should know - Tedford.

Tedford is solely and ultimately responsible for Maynard. No one is twisting JT's arm to start and play Maynard.

It is JT's problem.

well I hope I win the award for the worst post, but the plays were there and the calls were there the throws weren't that's all I'm saying.

Careful dude. Say anything remotely positive here and people will sh*t down your throat.

What good are the plays and calls if the personnel cannot execute them?

No.....it's Tedford! Please don't encourage him to waste Kline's blueshirt year to try and salvage this sad season. As a matter of fact, don't let him waste any more promising careers.

I didn't know tedfraud wast posting on this board. So different player, different coordinators, 2nd most P12 players in NFL, and nothing better than a 5th place finish the past 5 years, but one constant variable . . .

3rd and long, I know it's either going to be a draw or screen, and it's not my job to watch film and know this. It's not the coach?!

Go Bears! But the only for the Bears to succeed is with a new coach.

Who put Maynard on the field?? Who took a lot of Elite 11 qb's and developed them into a lump of sh*t, and had to start a transfer from Buffalo?? Maynard is only doing as well as he can ( which is crap ), but who trots him out there??/ C'mon dude!!!

GoldenYears;841957654 said:

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Hilarious how much less positive you are on CGB

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I know you like to think there's a conspiracy theory. But there isn't.

During the game I'm much more reactive both in the positive and negative direction. That's the emotion of watching a game. I've called out Harper's fumble-itis on CGB during the last game but my overall assessment is that I really like him and think he has high potential.

I try to stay on balance. I don't think it's all on JT but I do think, as HC, the buck stops with him. I just try to be more reasonable in who I blame.

I think ZM should be pulled.. esp after he waltzed out of bounds on that one play. I hate that kind of attitude. We have dudes taking season ending injuries and concussions trying to win the game and his attitude is disrespectful to the other kids putting their bodies on the line.

With that said, it seems like he still probably gives us the best chance to win.

I'd still rather pull him and start building for our future than going to another Toilet Bowl (at best).

I don't know if I've been really positive here. I said we got owned at every position. That means our defense got owned. I've repeatedly said our OL got owned.

CGB lends itself for one liners. I also only go there for game time threads. The rest of the week is spent here when I've had more time to cool down.

matadude;841957592 said:

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He's calling the plays, but there is someone that needs to make the plays. The calls were there, the plays were there, the guy running the plays can't execute the plays. That team revolves around a QB. If your QB has bad body language and can't execute you are setup for disaster. Let's face it, we might have that QB that has what it takes on the sidelines and his name is Kline. Maynard isn't the answer he knows it, his brother now knows it, the team knows it and I know the fans know it. The walking out of bounds on 3rd in long just wrote his legacy as a quiter. Let's get back home and beat up the Sun Devils. Go Bears!!!!!

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He's calling the plays--first series after SC takes only 4 plays to have 1st and goal on our 4 saved by the interception: 1st down Sofele loss of 4. 2nd and 14 Sofele for 1. 3rd and 13 CJ draw for 12 spotted a few inches short of the first down. Don't go for it, punt. Sc scores in 6 plays and never looks back.

He's calling the plays--first down runs with Sofele that USC ate up--16 yards total on the day. When we did throw on first down? Empty back field. No threat of run at all, telegraph that we are passing.

He's calling the plays with his best RB on the bench, the guy that torched Ohio State, the guy that the defense was afraid of.

If Kline is the answer as you suggest, why is he not bringing him along as the #2 like he did with Aaron Rodgers in 2003? Why do you let Tedford off the hook and blame Maynard for that?

Yes Maynard has limited ability and had his worst game of the season, but he just got sacked 7 times and ran 12 times. He got pummeled in this game and left the field noticeably hurt. He isn't getting paid $2.5 million a year. if we have someone else that could do a better job, it is up to Tedford to put him in.

matadude;841957628 said:

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well I hope I win the award for the worst post, but the plays were there and the calls were there the throws weren't that's all I'm saying.

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No worries. You're definitely still in the running for worst post.

freshfunk;841957679 said:

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I think ZM should be pulled.. esp after he waltzed out of bounds on that one play. I hate that kind of attitude. We have dudes taking season ending injuries and concussions trying to win the game and his attitude is disrespectful to the other kids putting their bodies on the line.

With that said, it seems like he still probably gives us the best chance to win.

I'd still rather pull him and start building for our future than going to another Toilet Bowl (at best).
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How is Maynard not putting his body on the line? He is taking some big hits out there, more than any other player. He was clocked more than a few time last week and today he was sacked [U]7 times[/U]. Ran the ball 12 times--lowering his shoulder more than once and he was hit after nearly every pass attempt. No other player gets hit more than him with less padding. He came off the field limping.

The irony is you think he is the one disrespecting "kids who are putting their bodies on the line."

He may not be as good as we want, he may be missing some wide open receivers, but he is definitely putting his body on the line and I think it is disrespectful to not acknowledge that.

calumnus;841957704 said:

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How is Maynard not putting his body on the line? He is taking some big hits out there, more than any other player. He was sacked [U]7 times[/U]. Ran the ball 12 times--lowering his shoulder more than once and he was hit after nearly every pass attempt. No other player gets hit more than him with less padding.

The irony is you think he is the one disrespecting "kids who are putting their bodies on the line."


He made some bad throws, criticize that,

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I'm criticizing the play where he waltzed out like he didn't give a f*ck.

Or the times he's seen laughing on the bench while we're losing. Or the tutoring session he missed. Or the stupid arm pointing.

You can be smug in your irony but that stuff doesn't sit well with me. Yes, he's put his body on the line before I won't deny him that. But I'm pretty much at my end as far as ZM goes. Analysis aside, I'm just not fond of his attitude.

freshfunk;841957707 said:

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I'm criticizing the play where he waltzed out like he didn't give a f*ck.

Or the times he's seen laughing on the bench while we're losing.

You can be smug in your irony but that stuff doesn't sit well with me.

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Then why mention anything about the other players "putting their bodies on the line"? He's not being 'smug' or 'ironic'. He's simply pointing out that your suggesting that Maynard's behavior is especially bad because he doesn't put his "body on the line" like those other players. If you didn't mean that, then you really need to learn how to express your thoughts better.

And lol @ "that stuff doesn't sit well with me". You've become a real douche in recent weeks man.

matadude;841957592 said:

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He's calling the plays, but there is someone that needs to make the plays. The calls were there, the plays were there, the guy running the plays can't execute the plays. That team revolves around a QB. If your QB has bad body language and can't execute you are setup for disaster. Let's face it, we might have that QB that has what it takes on the sidelines and his name is Kline. Maynard isn't the answer he knows it, his brother now knows it, the team knows it and I know the fans know it. The walking out of bounds on 3rd in long just wrote his legacy as a quiter. Let's get back home and beat up the Sun Devils. Go Bears!!!!!

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At this point, it is just bizarre to read posts from people defending Tedford - how bad does a coach have to get??

Here he is not even responsible for the performance of his players....Absurd.

I'd like to second the nomination for Worst Post of the Year.

No it's not Tedford. It's Holmoe's ghost coaching out there.

Boy, you got that right! His defenders are truly amazing. It's almost like reading a newspaper from the Twlight Zone. I loved the guy when he first came, as did 99% of Cal fans. But he has shown us so little the last five years while getting paid big, big bucks. Time for a change. The right head coach can make all the difference.

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He may not be as good as we want, he may be missing some wide open receivers, but he is definitely a sunbelt conference level qb.



Maynard needs to get pulled immediately...

matadude;841957628 said:

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well I hope I win the award for the worst post, but the plays were there and the calls were there the throws weren't that's all I'm saying.

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agreed 100 percent, he called a good game against SC last year at home as well, when Maynard was looking at the wrong WRs and forcing everything. I think tedford will show the effectiveness of his Offense with Kline and Goff going forward. Maynard is clearly better than AB at this point, and I believe that any benching of him would reflect in negative behavior from KA.

GoBears58;841957746 said:

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He may not be as good as we want, he may be missing some wide open receivers, but he is definitely a sunbelt conference level qb.



Maynard needs to get pulled immediately...

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This. Let's remember Maynard is a 2 star recruit.

I actually think Tedford has done more to develop Maynard into a decent QB, than he has for anyone in a while. Example. Last week. End of last season.

However, Maynard is just in over his head against bigger competition on a consistent basis. You can put lipstick on a pig...

I feel for him, but you're right- he shouldn't be a pac 12 starting qb. We have 3 that could and should be backing him up.

SmellinRoses;841957723 said:

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At this point, it is just bizarre to read posts from people defending Tedford - how bad does a coach have to get??

Here he is not even responsible for the performance of his players....Absurd.

I'd like to second the nomination for Worst Post of the Year.

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Its even more Bizarre to read the irrational posts from people Hating on Tedford. He could've won against Ohio State and SC and the haters would still pile on him. Shaq said it best, "Hatters gonna Hat".

goldenjax;841957756 said:

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...I believe that any benching of him would reflect in negative behavior from KA.

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So what? Honestly at this point it makes no difference if KA sulks or pouts or whatever. For the record I don't actually think he would, but even if you assume he would it's not like he's having this amazing year. Even when he's open he's not getting the ball. I just don't think it's a good idea to base one of the most important decisions (the starting QB) on how one player may or may not react to it, especially if that one player has been ineffective precisely because of sketchy QB play.

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goldenjax;841957760 said:

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Its even more Bizarre to read the irrational posts from people Hating on Tedford. He could've won against Ohio State and SC and the haters would still pile on him. Shaq said it best, "Hatters gonna Hat".

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If we had beaten Nevada, SUU, Ohio State and now USC, we would be 4-0, ranked somewhere in the Top 10 and people would be singing his praises.

The reason we are not is largely due to his decisions:
1. Nevada: Maynard's suspension, the strange way he handled it with notice on the eve of the game and lack of preparation for Bridgford. Playing for the punt in the 4th quarter.
2. Ohio State: The poor decision to attempt that 3rd FG and failing to continue to play Bigelow beyond 4 carries.
3. USC: The failure to play Bigelow until the 2nd half and then again, only 4 carries.

I think that objectively, there is a lot that he is doing well, but each game there is something major in his control that has lead to a loss--it is almost like he is sabotaging himself.

Cal_Fan2;841957596 said:

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It is Tedford. Every guy on the Pac12 network, all 3 of them were dumbfounded that JT stopped running the ball and put it in the hands of ZM. They all pretty much said ZM was not getting it done. Why abandon the run?.. That is JT's call or one of his coaches.

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[SIZE="2"][COLOR="Blue"]Sorry to pile on, but it IS TEDFORD !! It is the coach who makes the decision on a QB and the philosophy of the offense.

1. We have Tackles who move at glacial speeds, yet JT has the QB setting up to pass at 7-9 yds deep, making our linemen prone to getting beat with outside speed rushes. They are much better at drive blocking, yet we concentrate on sweeps ... often to the short side of the field.

2. We have two backs, who averaged 6.4 and 7.8 yds/touch, yet they only get 9 rushes, COMBINED !! Sofele had a majority of his carries running East-West ... not the best tact with the 7-8 man fronts we faced for most of the day.

3. We have a QB who routinely takes sacks rather than throw the ball away. This often leaves the offense in long yardage situations which are very problematic to convert. Can you say "drive killer?"

4. ZM fixates on finding his brother, regardless of the coverage, often overlooking wide open receivers. KA is a great receiver, but $C was rolling safety and nickle coverage his way all day. Even when he was wide open KA became visibly upset at ZM's poor throws !! Harper and Treggs were routinely overlooked today.

5. When ZM walked out of bounds, that was the last straw for me !!! The offense can't play worse under Brigford, Hinder, or Boehm !! It's time for a change. Perhaps ZM can be used in a 2 QB set shown by ULaMonroe on Friday. I would also move the QB back under center and use more 2-back "I or lead" formations, with tandems of Sofele/Bigelow at 'tailback' and Anderson as the lead back. [/COLOR][/SIZE]

Maynard's biggest liability is his inability to process what the defense is doing and adjust accordingly. He rarely comes off his 1st read. If the primary receiver does not get wide open we are unlikely to complete a pass. Ever.

Compounding the issue last night was the fact USC's Dline thoroughly dominated our Oline. Having a QB consistently under pressure and unable to process information quickly is a recipe for disaster.

Moreover, anytime a Tampa 2 defense is able to get consistent pressure with a 4 man rush they are going to be very successful. It's not easy throwing into a 7 man zone with only about 2 seconds to make your read and throw. Aaron Rodgers might have even had a rough night yesterday with the amount of pressure USC's front 4 was getting.

The coaches aren't dumb btw. All those QB runs and draws were designed to try and slow down USCs front 4.

matadude;841957592 said:

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He's calling the plays, but there is someone that needs to make the plays. The calls were there, the plays were there, the guy running the plays can't execute the plays. That team revolves around a QB. If your QB has bad body language and can't execute you are setup for disaster. Let's face it, we might have that QB that has what it takes on the sidelines and his name is Kline. Maynard isn't the answer he knows it, his brother now knows it, the team knows it and I know the fans know it. The walking out of bounds on 3rd in long just wrote his legacy as a quiter. Let's get back home and beat up the Sun Devils. Go Bears!!!!!

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And whos decision is it to play or not play a particular QB. Of course it is Tedford!

Ukrainian;841957779 said:

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[SIZE="2"][COLOR="Blue"]Sorry to pile on, but it IS TEDFORD !! It is the coach who makes the decision on a QB and the philosophy of the offense.

I would also move the QB back under center and use more 2-back "I or lead" formations, with tandems of Sofele/Bigelow at 'tailback' and Anderson as the lead back. [/COLOR][/SIZE]

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I agree with points 1-4 but please please please not this! That is the problem with Tedford. He is a very confused coach. Tedford likes everything he sees, namely, the pistol, the spread, the pro set, etc etc. However, Tedford simply cannot implement it with effectiveness. Why do you think he has been through so many OCs?

His playbook gets bigger and bigger with each addition to his offense. He was respected as a very good offensive mind who could out strategize (eg Even though we lost the 2004 USC game comes to mind). Today he simply cannot out scheme to win consistently.

He is like a CEO of a company who repeats the same mantra "Our vision is such and such" but fails to produce a clear end product and his only answer is to add more products, change key personnel and lose confidence in himself.

It is really sad to watch this guy coach now and it is even sadder to know that few fans truly have much confidence in him. I never felt badly for Gilby. He was a pompous jack@ss. I did feel badly for Holmoe. The guy was just overmatched. I feel so badly for Tedford.

He isn't a jack@ss like Gilby but he is being outcoached nearly every game and is comeback is to overcoach his own troops which had lead to the flawed results we have seen over the past 3 years.

You're right...

I had to look this up to make sure because I wanted to make sure to give Tedford full credit for putting together and coaching the team for 11 years. Here's his offensive record against SC:

2012 - no TDs
2011 - 1 TD
2010 - 2 TDs
2009 - no TDs
2008 - no TDs
2007 - 2 TDs
2006 - 1 TD
2005 - 1 TD (garbage time when down 35-3)
2004 - 2 TDs (woo hoo)
2003 - 4 TDs (one in OT, but hey, we won the game!!!)
2002 - 3 TDs

Yeah, that is offensive. It's not like Tedford had anything to do with recruiting, training, practice, skills building, play calling, or anything remotely related to that record. SC has averaged 29 points vs. Cal's 13 points for 11 years. More disgusting is that Cal has beaten SC once in 11 years during what some would argue has been the best period of Cal football in 50 years. Meanwhile, Furd has 4 wins, OSU and Oregon each have 3 wins, and even lowly UW has beaten them 2 times.

Nicest guy ever, he's just not long for the job (unless 11 years is a long time).

Why does a super star like Bigelow get half the carries that an average back like Sofele gets? You would think after the Ohio St. game the coaches could recognize how much more likely we are to score a touchdown when he's in the game. There is no telling how good the offense could be if Bigelow were used correctly. How can anyone in their right mind insist that the offense is better with Sofele running the ball?

Matatude - Who recruited these awful players who can't execute his masterful playcalling?

calumnus;841957773 said:

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If we had beaten Nevada, SUU, Ohio State and now USC, we would be 4-0, ranked somewhere in the Top 10 and people would be singing his praises.

The reason we are not is largely due to his decisions:
1. Nevada: Maynard's suspension, the strange way he handled it with notice on the eve of the game and lack of preparation for Bridgford. Playing for the punt in the 4th quarter.
2. Ohio State: The poor decision to attempt that 3rd FG and failing to continue to play Bigelow beyond 4 carries.
3. USC: The failure to play Bigelow until the 2nd half and then again, only 4 carries.

I think that objectively, there is a lot that he is doing well, but each game there is something major in his control that has lead to a loss--it is almost like he is sabotaging himself.

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This is where I respectfully disagree.

Nevada: Game lost largely due to Pendergasts inability to defend the pistol.

OSU: offense was rolling and probably best we could expect from them. Game was won by OSU by a mobile QB who can score with his legs and make plays out of the pocket.

SC: out talented at every position.

Could we have played better? Sure. Is player discipline and talent development on the coaches? Of course. I disagree that there were game time decisions that lost us these games. Other teams simply outperformed ours.

pappysghost;841957917 said:

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Why does a super star like Bigelow get half the carries that an average back like Sofele gets?

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even if you don't like the 'super star' label (I'm not 100% sold myself) you still have to acknowledge that BB was more effective in his limited carries then IS - so why don't we play the more effective guy? in any position??