Although hopefull for this season, I am now dejected by this years lack of overall effort, constant coaching mistakes, penalties and lack of overall team play. If things keep going as they are currently, the only reasonable outcome is a coaching change at the end of the season. I do like Tedford personally, as I have met him several times over the years, but he has lost "IT" and it does not seem he will get "IT" back.

With this in mind, I think we should go all in for Chris Peterson. Although he would be costly, he is very well known to potential recruits, well respected by coaches, has a great offensive mind and his teams play well for him. It seems like he makes football fun for the team as well as for its fans. This type of signing would make a big splash with our dejected fan base and would renew interst in season tickets, exspecially the ESP tickets, that have been selling slowly up until this point. I hope we can turn this season around, but I doubt it will happen, time for a change, is near...

You're going bust

Stanford couldn't get him. UCLA couldn't get him. Why do you think he'd come here?

gobears3000;841964895 said:

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Although hopefull for this season, I am now dejected by this years lack of overall effort, constant coaching mistakes, penalties and lack of overall team play. If things keep going as they are currently, the only reasonable outcome is a coaching change at the end of the season. I do like Tedford personally, as I have met him several times over the years, but he has lost "IT" and it does not seem he will get "IT" back.

With this in mind, I think we should go all in for Chris Peterson. Although he would be costly, he is very well known to potential recruits, well respected by coaches, has a great offensive mind and his teams play well for him. It seems like he makes football fun for the team as well as for its fans. This type of signing would make a big splash with our dejected fan base and would renew interst in season tickets, exspecially the ESP tickets, that have been selling slowly up until this point. I hope we can turn this season around, but I doubt it will happen, time for a change, is near...

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Do we have ANY indication that he wants to come to Berkeley? My guess is that Peterson loves being a big fish (and fisherman) in the very small pond of Boise. He has turned down every great job in the nation - or put another way - if you wanted to coach in the pac-12 why cal and not USC.

I am seriously warming to the Alabama DC. That would be a hire that might actually happen and would equally fire up everyone.

Penn State too though not wanting to be part of that cesspool was good judgment. I think -and this is my speculation- is that he is a small town guy who values other things than football

GB54;841964909 said:

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Penn State too though not wanting to be part of that cesspool was good judgment. I think -and this is my speculation- is that he is a small town guy who values other things than football

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I have heard he is an AVID hunter and fisherman and, if so, there is no better place in the entire country than Boise. It really is a beautiful city - just isolated as all heck.

socaltownie;841964903 said:

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Do we have ANY indication that he wants to come to Berkeley? My guess is that Peterson loves being a big fish (and fisherman) in the very small pond of Boise. He has turned down every great job in the nation - or put another way - if you wanted to coach in the pac-12 why cal and not USC.

I am seriously warming to the Alabama DC. That would be a hire that might actually happen and would equally fire up everyone.

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From what I've read, he really likes living in that area. I don't blame him. A lot of the younger guys on here think that is crazy but there is much to be said for a smaller town feel.(population about 200k)...Sure, there isn't as much to do unless you are an outdoorsman ( I love the outdoors), but as a family environment, it is a very cool place to live and work. Why leave that for more headaches?...for more money? Happiness trumps money every day of the week. You find that out as you go along. (Not that I'm against money being an ex-broker....:p)

socaltownie;841964917 said:

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I have heard he is an AVID hunter and fisherman and, if so, there is no better place in the entire country than Boise. It really is a beautiful city - just isolated as all heck.

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I love small towns but the isolation thing would bug me....I used to visit Helena Montana all the time and while it is a cool little city and the capitol of Montana, it is hours away from the next big city....I'd rather be in a Corvallis, Oregon with its small town feel but close to metro cities.

Again, this is who I think would be the best coach for our current situation. Him or call me crazy, Jon Gruden, although I doubt he would take the job. As we have spent $500 mil on the Performance Center and the Stadium, what is a coach like Peterson worth, to the sale of the ESP tickets, recruits, perception by fanbase, players and college football fans? I would guess its worth more than the $4M a year, it would take to get him!

PS too bad the tree sitters did not come back, he could have "hunted" very close to home, although I am not sure what hunting license he would need... How much is a Dumbster Muffin Hunting license anyway

Whoever comes here will have a really talented D going forward. They're going to be studs: Scarlett, McCain, Avery, Fortt, Moose, Forbes, Kaufusi, Moala, Gabe King, etc. Great nucleus! If done right, an SEC type athletic D.

The Peterson Smurf Turf ship might be taking on water. Have you seen how Boise State is doing this season? They almost lost to New Mexico and they look bad.

Nice option to ponder...i recall mentioning his name last season since it was easy to tell that Tedford/Maynard combo would bring this team down in flames...some other poster got all offended saying Peterson didn't care about academics and he should not be at Cal because he would not stress academics etc. etc. ..well honestly all i care about is Cal football winning games or fielding competitive teams...i am not the player's parents and really not into managing their report cards...i don't run around bragging to others about Cal football players and their academic achievements...the team needs a quality coach that can obtain results on and off the field and if that other poster cares so much about player academics why doesn't he volunteer his time to tutor the players...it's not like they do much better under the current regime...
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goodrich;841965032 said:

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Nice option to ponder...i recall mentioning his name last season since it was easy to tell that Tedford/Maynard combo would bring this team down in flames...some other poster got all offended saying Peterson didn't care about academics and he should not be at Cal because he would not stress academics etc. etc. ..well honestly all i care about is Cal football winning games or fielding competitive teams...i am not the player's parents and really not into managing their report cards...i don't run around bragging to others about Cal football players and their academic achievements...the team needs a quality coach that can obtain results on and off the field and if that other poster cares so much about player academics why doesn't he volunteer his time to tutor the players...it's not like they do much better under the current regime...
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LOL

I would point out that YOU are not on the faculty senate. A chancellor wants an academic scandal on the football team like he/she wants a hole in her/his head.

Not to say Peterson wouldn't be a great hire, but remember his predecessors at Boise, Dan Hawkins and Dirk Koetter, also had excellent records while coaching there, but flamed out in the Pac 12.

Fact of the matter, every CFB is a risk. Tedford was a risk.

So as the cliche goes...be careful for what you wish for, you might get it. 5 years from now, hard as it is to believe, we might be yearning for the Tedford years, even the crappy ones.

socaltownie;841964903 said:

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Do we have ANY indication that he wants to come to Berkeley? My guess is that Peterson loves being a big fish (and fisherman) in the very small pond of Boise. He has turned down every great job in the nation - or put another way - if you wanted to coach in the pac-12 why cal and not USC.

I am seriously warming to the Alabama DC. That would be a hire that might actually happen and would equally fire up everyone.

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Boise is NOT that small of a pond.
Nice, clean city, beautiful area, great cost of living which makes it attractive for assistants as well.

It's not the Bay Area but neither is it Pullman.
Boise's a nice place.

Talking about the game. ....

OK- Wilcox from Fuskies or Oregon offensive coordinator...I want a PAC 12 guy...or how about the 49ers Defensive coach(former Stanfurd coach)?


We will get lots and LOTS of applicants.

He would probably bring Gregory back . . .

beelzebear;841965065 said:

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Fact of the matter, every CFB is a risk. Tedford was a risk.

So as the cliche goes...be careful for what you wish for, you might get it. 5 years from now, hard as it is to believe, we might be yearning for the Tedford years, even the crappy ones.

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ok you've convinced me. Where do I paypal my 401k to fund Tedford's lifetime extension?

SonOfCalVa;841965072 said:

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Boise is NOT that small of a pond.
Nice, clean city, beautiful area, great cost of living which makes it attractive for assistants as well.

It's not the Bay Area but neither is it Pullman.
Boise's a nice place.

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$4 million goes a LOT farther in Boise than Berkeley plus IIRC there is no income tax in Idaho. But at the end of the day Chris is still a Nor Cal guy and I gotta believe that there is some incentive to come home. I could be completely of base of course.

Petterson should be at the top of the initial contact list, Sandy would be an idiot not to include him. Hopefully, she's got her feelers out and is able to get a gauge on what his interests are. He's turned down two of the four CA BCS schools in the past, one could surmise he's content with Boise. Being a N.CA/UC Davis guy, he may only be looking at Cal. Hawkins and Koetter failures are reason to pause, however I think those stumbles are a result of personality failures along with execution failures.

Another thread which includes people in the know indicates this type of hire is not in the works. Per those sources there will be no big name hires. In classic Cal fashion, we'll go under the radar for a coordinator who costs less money (not to mention the rest of the new HC's staff). So this has nothing to do with Peterson and how much he likes Boise, hunting or fishing. It is all about us. This is why we suck. We care more about having 29 sports than about winning in football. People here don't like to hear this but it is true, virtually every other school just institutionally cares more about winning.

Then it's bust...no soup for you. Next.

tequila4kapp;841965370 said:

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Another thread which includes people in the know indicates this type of hire is not in the works. Per those sources there will be no big name hires. In classic Cal fashion, we'll go under the radar for a coordinator who costs less money (not to mention the rest of the new HC's staff). So this has nothing to do with Peterson and how much he likes Boise, hunting or fishing. It is all about us. This is why we suck. We care more about having 29 sports than about winning in football. People here don't like to hear this but it is true, virtually every other school just institutionally cares more about winning.

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Ok...then we can dynamite the facilities and renovations and get a half a billion dollar refund? If we really don't care about winning, we should go through with it all the way.

There are some advantages: zero expectations equals zero disappoint. Tons of legroom and dirt cheap tickets.

tequila4kapp;841965370 said:

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We care more about having 29 sports than about winning in football. People here don't like to hear this but it is true, virtually every other school just institutionally cares more about winning.

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and, from those other sports come national championships and Olympic medals, showing that Cal not only provides opportunities for participating and success in athletes but, more importantly,
[U][SIZE="4"]Cal is NOT a football factory.[/SIZE][/U]

"institutional caring" ... sure ... like Penn State, Ohio State, UW under James and hell, Cal under Mike White. The examples of outlaw programs are plentiful.

institutional CONTROL is more important than "caring".
Cal has been, is and will hopefully always be a world-class University wherein students can successfully compete in the classroom and in various athletic venues.
Some things are indeed more important than "winning" football games.

"institutional CONTROL is more important than "caring".
Cal has been, is and will hopefully always be a world-class University wherein students can successfully compete in the classroom and in various athletic venues.
Some things are indeed more important than "winning" football games."


Thanks, man of Troy

On September 1 I'd have agreed with you about the great nucleus; now, not so much. We recruited a bunch of touted guys on "D" the last few years but they're sure not showing it on the field. It may be that the talent is there and just requires some seasoning to reach potential...or maybe they were just overrated coming out of HS. Of all our breakdowns this season, the defense is the most puzzling to me.

"Done right?" Like maybe the next coach does a 4-3?!

It's going to be a major expenditure to buy out the remainder of Tedford's contract and then get a proper coach and pay for a staff that supports him. The people involved in that process need to see that investing in that change can lead to big ticket sales in the coming years of the premium seats that need to be sold. But there's not a lot of money laying around our athletic dept so it may well depend how far big donors want to reach in their pockets.

And...Dan Hawkins was 53-11 at Boise but was 19-39 at Colorado and left the program in its current state. I'm not saying Peterson couldn't do better, just pointing out that past performance may not equal future performance.

or maybe the D coordinator is over-rated, and/or playing the 3-4 against the gimmick offenses isn't the answer...

NYCGOBEARS;841965347 said:

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$4 million goes a LOT farther in Boise than Berkeley plus IIRC there is no income tax in Idaho. But at the end of the day Chris is still a Nor Cal guy and I gotta believe that there is some incentive to come home. I could be completely of base of course.

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Yuba City is more Boise than Berkeley.

The problem is were still gonna be paying JT what until 2015? Why also trying to get a upper tier HC. More than likely were going to have to go for a first time HC simce we are still paying JT.

SonOfCalVa;841965390 said:

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and, from those other sports come national championships and Olympic medals, showing that Cal not only provides opportunities for participating and success in athletes but, more importantly,
[U][SIZE="4"]Cal is NOT a football factory.[/SIZE][/U]

"institutional caring" ... sure ... like Penn State, Ohio State, UW under James and hell, Cal under Mike White. The examples of outlaw programs are plentiful.

institutional CONTROL is more important than "caring".
Cal has been, is and will hopefully always be a world-class University wherein students can successfully compete in the classroom and in various athletic venues.
Some things are indeed more important than "winning" football games.

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What a stupid and misguided post.

Nice job throwing out red herrings. The issues isn't institutional control. The issue is being willing to devote the resources necessary to win (or not). In this context 'caring' equals 'spending', not losing our collective soul to be a win at all costs football factory. Likewise, not spending does not mean that we have institutional control - we have a long history of cheating while also being cheap. You don't have to go all the way back to Mike White for that, just think back to our last coach before Tedford.

IF the other thread is correct (note, I said IF), then we're looking at a situation where we would be virtually the only school in the conference unwilling to spend some of that P12 media deal money to pay market prices for a coach. We'd hire an under the radar type guy - not because that person was the best person to represent our values (yes, including the legitimate importance of academics) - but because it would allow us to make a hire on the cheap.

The administration cannot spend what it spent on the stadium, ask people to donate money (I am a donor of admittedly modest amounts, but a regular and longtime donor nonethelss) and be invested in the program if it isn't willing to make the same commitment. The level of mediocrity that produces on the field translates into an unsustainable economic model. You may have noticed the 20K or so empy seats on Saturday. Keep doing that and we won't be able to sustain 29 sports by hiring cheap football coaches; we'll reach the point where there are no more football corners to cut and we'll have to cut other sports anyway.

The answer is to spend money to produce a winner, do it in a way that is reflective of our collective values, then use that money to sustain the rest of the right-sized athletic department.

The answer, I would suggest, to defending "gimmick" offenses is having superior athletes on defense. Auburn and LSU handled Oregon quite nicely. I don't know that we have many guys on offense who might be good defenders but Keenan Allen was very highly rated at safety in some ratings.