Noticed several times that when the offense comes to the sideline it's Coach M doing all the talking. Tedford is in the vicinity for a moment than walks away. He's not really a part of things.

So if Coach M is in charge of that, Gould is in charge of putting in the running backs, just what exactly is JT's role during the game? Serious question. Is he the CEO who looks at the big picture? Shouldn't he at least be in the huddle?

Anyway, if he is the CEO that's fine if he is doing his job.

However, the botched time outs, the declining of penalties, the poor substitutions that are late, the offensive plays that time and time again cause delay of game or are rushed to a snap before delay of game, punting down multiple scores with 1 timeout etc... all point to the fact that he stinks as the CEO!!!

I wonder what Sandy talks about with him if they even have conversations.

yeah thought that was interesting. I guess Michalicak (sp) is the OC now, calling the plays. Would explain the inexperience at calling 5-7 step drops consistently when not working.

I guess this is what the Peter Principle is in football...coaches promoted to their level of imcompetence.

89Bear;841964969 said:

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Noticed several times that when the offense comes to the sideline it's Coach M doing all the talking. Tedford is in the vicinity for a moment than walks away. He's not really a part of things.

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Tedford might be listening to music through his headset.
When he speaks into the mic, he might be making a music request.

SonOfCalVa;841965044 said:

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Tedford might be listening to music through his headset.
When he speaks into the mic, he might be making a music request.

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Ipods can be a little tricky for older people

calbear75;841965038 said:

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yeah thought that was interesting. I guess Michalicak (sp) is the OC now, calling the plays. Would explain the inexperience at calling 5-7 step drops consistently when not working.

I guess this is what the Peter Principle is in football...coaches promoted to their level of imcompetence.

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Yep, that would be Peter Principle--a guy who has never been a coordinator and called plays is doing it, and not from the vantage point of the booth, but from the sideline. And the guy in the booth? First year Cal coach Arroyo, our QB coach. And if Coach M is spending his time watching tape of opponents and diagramming plays...who is our OL coach in a year were we have only one returning starer on the line? if Arroyo is in the booth, who is coaching up Maynard when we are on D? It would be great if it was Tedford, but he is obviously not, he is out their watching the defense...

Two of our biggest issues right now are OL and QB and we do not have position coaches available to coach them in-game.

SonOfCalVa;841965044 said:

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Tedford might be listening to music through his headset.
When he speaks into the mic, he might be making a music request.

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Tedford is looking more and more like a clown lately, it's pretty embarrassing. He's a nice guy too, it's just ending ugly.

calumnus;841965085 said:

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Yep, that would be Peter Principle--a guy who has never been a coordinator and called plays is doing it, and not from the vantage point of the booth, but from the sideline. And the guy in the booth? First year Cal coach Arroyo, our QB coach. And if Coach M is spending his time watching tape of opponents and diagramming plays...who is our OL coach in a year were we have only one returning starer on the line? if Arroyo is in the booth, who is coaching up Maynard when we are on D? It would be great if it was Tedford, but he is obviously not, he is out their watching the defense...

Two of our biggest issues right now are OL and QB and we do not have position coaches available to coach them in-game.

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The seeming necessity of taking on a more lofty "title," or of taking on more game coordination--mission creep--by the aforementioned... and the fact that it is NOT working is more evidence of why a clean sweep is wanting...

The ineptitude-of-it-all is just breeding more of it...

It is getting beyond embarrassment.

manus;841965146 said:

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The seeming necessity of taking on a more lofty "title," or of taking on more game coordination--mission creep--by the aforementioned... and the fact that it is NOT working is more evidence of why a clean sweep is wanting...

The ineptitude-of-it-all is just breeding more of it...

It is getting beyond embarrassment.

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This goes back to letting Cortez go. Since then, Tedford has not figured out an offensive staff/organization that works for him as a head coach, with major changes almost every year.

I think it would be smart of us to pay less for the top guy but give him more for quality coordinators/position coaches. If a great motivator like Herm Edwards would come for the love of Cal and accept $1,000,000 a year, but then be able to hire great assistants, we might have something. If one of those assistants turned out to be the next Chip Kelly...

As I have stated many times on this board, Tedford NEVER participates in any unit hudle on the sidelines--offense, defense, or special teams. He acts as though he is above it all and that his role is only to strut along the sideline holding his play card.

I like Herm Edwards but would never hire him. He has a losing record as an NFL coach both with the Jets and Chiefs. It's very rare for a coach with a losing HC record to suddenly become a winner as a HC elsewhere.

Many head coaches do not take part in these sideline conferences. That's why asst. coaches exist.

RealBear65;841965231 said:

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I like Herm Edwards but would never hire him. He has a losing record as an NFL coach both with the Jets and Chiefs. It's very rare for a coach with a losing HC record to suddenly become a winner as a HC elsewhere.

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I don't think this is true, unless you're saying as a first time head coach. The big difference is the change in leagues/styles. Pete Carroll, Nick Saban, Petrino, Spurrier, Riley, Erickson... Of course, these are all proven winner college guys who went pro then went back to college and some cases went back to the pros. Hmm... anyone like that now we can look at? I think there are only 3 college guys in the NFL now, but someone can correct me there I'm sure.

I noticed Tedford standing aside from the huddle as well, and thought maybe I was looking at the wrong guy. It was a critical part of the game where I think the offense huddled up, and I thought it was strange he seemed so distant from it. I assume those huddles are motivational speech times and fall on the players, since I have a very fond memory of Follet invading an offensive huddle to... I assume get their asses in gear.

Not the really good coaches. They are ALWAYS involved, especially at critical junctures in the game.

calumnus;841965163 said:

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This goes back to letting Cortez go. Since then, Tedford has not figured out an offensive staff/organization that works for him as a head coach, with major changes almost every year....

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True. He's been chasing rainbows ever since, trying to find another pot of gold after Cortez left or was let go.

calumnus;841965163 said:

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...I think it would be smart of us to pay less for the top guy but give him more for quality coordinators/position coaches. If a great motivator like Herm Edwards would come for the love of Cal and accept $1,000,000 a year, but then be able to hire great assistants, we might have something. If one of those assistants turned out to be the next Chip Kelly...

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+1

Sounds like an awesome plan -- Prime Motivator HC + Genius OC.

Pete Carroll

RealBear65;841965231 said:

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I like Herm Edwards but would never hire him. He has a losing record as an NFL coach both with the Jets and Chiefs. It's very rare for a coach with a losing HC record to suddenly become a winner as a HC elsewhere.

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RealBear65;841965231 said:

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I like Herm Edwards but would never hire him. He has a losing record as an NFL coach both with the Jets and Chiefs. It's very rare for a coach with a losing HC record to suddenly become a winner as a HC elsewhere.

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So did Pete Carrol. The NFL is much more dependent on your GM, your owner's budget and the talent level, which you may have no control over. "Motivation" is very low on the list. The players are already confident.

College is different. The HC is the GM. You're GM doesn't draft players, YOU recruit players. Recruiting and motivating young players and instilling confidence is a huge factor. I think Edwards still has that.

I'm not saying Herm Edwards would necessarily be the best choice if we had a clean slate, but my thought is his love for Cal might translate into a contract that would pay him less in the first years while we pay off Tedford, but would automatically be renewed at higher pay once Tedford's contract is paid off subject to performance targets being met (i.e., if he wasn't working out, we could go back into the market, but with a full budget). It is a way we could show Tedford the door early and still hire a big name coach.

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So what does Tedford do on the sidelines, exactly?

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Chew gum!

Golden One;841965530 said:

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Not the really good coaches. They are ALWAYS involved, especially at critical junctures in the game.

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I remember in the "good old days" (2002-2006) JT used to personally go over things with his QBs on the sidelines. You could see him actively coaching them up during games. I don't think we see that much anymore.

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I remember in the "good old days" (2002-2006) JT used to personally go over things with his QBs on the sidelines. You could see him actively coaching them up during games. I don't think we see that much anymore.

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And the QB coach is in the press box.... so does that mean our QB is being coached by our OL Coach?

Exactly! Think that might be part of the problem?

RealBear65;841965231 said:

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I like Herm Edwards but would never hire him. He has a losing record as an NFL coach both with the Jets and Chiefs. It's very rare for a coach with a losing HC record to suddenly become a winner as a HC elsewhere.

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Maybe it is rare, but Lane Kiffen was 5-15 in the NFL.