Is this situation worse than the Braun situation?

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KoreAmBear
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The parallels are now becoming eerie, except that JT has a much bigger contract and buying him out near unworkable considering the huge cost and perception (more crazy money thrown at a UC employee so that he doesn't have to work + more money to hire new guy).

Ben had this conservative offense which seem to have no purpose and JT has that now.

Ben has been a pretty good recruiter but could not coach them up (he had Hardin, Ryan Anderson, Randle, PC, Theo and Ubaka on his next to last season and he had a losing record). JT has had plenty of good talent over the years, probably better talent compared to Ben, yet we're constantly out of the race for the RB early each year now.

Ben was just getting plain weird as his tenure was ending, even talking about the "temperature" of the team in describing a loss. JT is now starting to look and sound like Dr. Moreau on the Island of Dr. Moreau, completely out of his mind and content to lord over a freak show. Such irrational decisions include inexplicable decisions like putting his job on the line on Zach Maynard's shoulders (and not quickly changing that when we could see he has very little upside), reducing touches for his all-world running back threat week to week, and not playing a monster like Avery. He seems to be immune to common sense and seems to actually believe in his coachspeak non-sense in deflecting the Bigelow situation by saying "we" believe that he's not ready for certain situations and that the performance of Isi and CJ acquitted him in this decision. Wow, so out of touch with real life. The only way that decision would have acquitted him is if we had actually won the game. We were struggling to score and he "saves" all of Bigelow's potentially scary, exciting, explosive touches for another game (maybe another season). Isi and CJ are good but would you call them explosive? No.

Ben seemed to really control the media even shutting down a member of the post game show for criticism against him. JT didn't like what Jay Heater said a few years ago, and basically had him frozen out, as I recall. Media seems to be afraid of him and do not ask questions, and/or follow-up questions, until we get a more developed response from JT. They often let him go easy with superficial answers, likely because they do not want to be frozen out of pressers.

As a light at the end of the tunnel, can we see that we do not have to be so co-dependent on a once savior of a coach type? We can and did better than Braun. We can and will do better than Tedford. Tedford was the best we could ever hope for from 2002-2006. That's far from the case in 2007-2012.
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KoreAmBear;841965779 said:

The parallels are now becoming eerie, except that JT has a much bigger contract and buying him out near unworkable considering the huge cost and perception (more crazy money thrown at a UC employee so that he doesn't have to work + more money to hire new guy).

Ben had this conservative offense which seem to have no purpose and JT has that now.

Ben has been a pretty good recruiter but could not coach them up (he had Hardin, Ryan Anderson, Randle, PC, Theo and Ubaka on his next to last season and he had a losing record). JT has had plenty of good talent over the years, probably better talent compared to Ben, yet we're constantly out of the race for the RB early each year now.

Ben was just getting plain weird as his tenure was ending, even talking about the "temperature" of the team in describing a loss. JT is now starting to look and sound like Dr. Moreau on the Island of Dr. Moreau, completely out of his mind and content to lord over a freak show. Such irrational decisions include inexplicable decisions like putting his job on the line on Zach Maynard's shoulders (and not quickly changing that when we could see he has very little upside), reducing touches for his all-world running back threat week to week, and not playing a monster like Avery. He seems to be immune to common sense and seems to actually believe in his coachspeak non-sense in deflecting the Bigelow situation by saying "we" believe that he's not ready for certain situations and that the performance of Isi and CJ acquitted him in this decision. Wow, so out of touch with real life. The only way that decision would have acquitted him is if we had actually won the game. We were struggling to score and he "saves" all of Bigelow's potentially scary, exciting, explosive touches for another game (maybe another season). Isi and CJ are good but would you call them explosive? No.

Ben seemed to really control the media even shutting down a member of the post game show for criticism against him. JT didn't like what Jay Heater said a few years ago, and basically had him frozen out, as I recall. Media seems to be afraid of him and do not ask questions, and/or follow-up questions, until we get a more developed response from JT. They often let him go easy with superficial answers, likely because they do not want to be frozen out of pressers.

As a light at the end of the tunnel, can we see that we do not have to be so co-dependent on a once savior of a coach type? We can and did better than Braun. We can and will do better than Tedford. Tedford was the best we could ever hope for from 2002-2006. That's far from the case in 2007-2012.


I'd say it's about the same.
Football is bigger than basketball, so I bet on average the top football coaches are paid more than basketball coaches. The budget for football operation should also be proportionally larger.
socaltownie
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Yes it is worse because football HAS to draw. Ben Braun could be....Ben Braun because unless you had the embarrassing picture of less than 1000 people at HAS for a NIT game it wasn't a killer for the department.

The problem with Tedford isn't that he is a "bad coach". He isn't. People like Slick Rick are bad coaches. It is that we know the ceiling on Tedford, we are getting to see the floor (basement?) and it is killing attendance and interest in the program.
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KoreAmBear;841965779 said:

The parallels are now becoming eerie, except that JT has a much bigger contract and buying him out near unworkable considering the huge cost and perception (more crazy money thrown at a UC employee so that he doesn't have to work + more money to hire new guy).

Ben had this conservative offense which seem to have no purpose and JT has that now.

Ben has been a pretty good recruiter but could not coach them up (he had Hardin, Ryan Anderson, Randle, PC, Theo and Ubaka on his next to last season and he had a losing record). JT has had plenty of good talent over the years, probably better talent compared to Ben, yet we're constantly out of the race for the RB early each year now.

Ben was just getting plain weird as his tenure was ending, even talking about the "temperature" of the team in describing a loss. JT is now starting to look and sound like Dr. Moreau on the Island of Dr. Moreau, completely out of his mind and content to lord over a freak show. Such irrational decisions include inexplicable decisions like putting his job on the line on Zach Maynard's shoulders (and not quickly changing that when we could see he has very little upside), reducing touches for his all-world running back threat week to week, and not playing a monster like Avery. He seems to be immune to common sense and seems to actually believe in his coachspeak non-sense in deflecting the Bigelow situation by saying "we" believe that he's not ready for certain situations and that the performance of Isi and CJ acquitted him in this decision. Wow, so out of touch with real life. The only way that decision would have acquitted him is if we had actually won the game. We were struggling to score and he "saves" all of Bigelow's potentially scary, exciting, explosive touches for another game (maybe another season). Isi and CJ are good but would you call them explosive? No.

Ben seemed to really control the media even shutting down a member of the post game show for criticism against him. JT didn't like what Jay Heater said a few years ago, and basically had him frozen out, as I recall. Media seems to be afraid of him and do not ask questions, and/or follow-up questions, until we get a more developed response from JT. They often let him go easy with superficial answers, likely because they do not want to be frozen out of pressers.

As a light at the end of the tunnel, can we see that we do not have to be so co-dependent on a once savior of a coach type? We can and did better than Braun. We can and will do better than Tedford. Tedford was the best we could ever hope for from 2002-2006. That's far from the case in 2007-2012.


Agree with the parallels--both are paint by numbers guys, not big thinkers. They hit on formulas for success early and when that doesn't work they get stubborn. And yes, this is worse because it is the football program and it is doubly worse because a benefactor did not pay for the stadium upgrades like the Haas' did for basketball.
k9dog1
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That's when its as bad as Braun. If you ever see less than 10,000 it will be way worse.

Go Bears!
NYCGOBEARS
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Yes, $500,000,000 worse.
sycasey
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In terms of performance, about the same. In terms of the money spent, definitely worse (though in a sense that's an advantage in getting rid of him too -- it lights a fire under everyone's asses).
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