A very good friend attended the ASU game and what he observed was gut wrenching.

Back in 2000(?) we opened our season against the Illini at home. Tom Holmoe was our coach. During the pregame warmups I noticed the visitor team had a winner's attitude. Everything they did was thorough and crispt yet full of emotion and confidence.

Our team dragged through the pre-game, showed no passion or emotion and looked spent. From the opening kick-off they proceeded to lay an egg. At halftime (I believe the score was 42-3) most of the stadium was empty. I was nearly run-over trying get out of there.

My friend said that was the atmosphere on Saturday but the ASU crowd was less passionate than the Illini.

This is unacceptable. As long as he stays around he draws comparisons to Holmoe. I wouldn't want that to by my legacy.

Tedford needs to do himself a favor. He needs to go.

Letsroll;841966645 said:

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A very good friend attended the ASU game and what he observed was gut wrenching.

Back in 2000(?) we opened our season against the Illini at home. Tom Holmoe was our coach. During the pregame warmups I noticed the visitor team had a winner's attitude. Everything they did was thorough and crispt yet full of emotion and confidence.

Our team dragged through the pre-game, showed no passion or emotion and looked spent. From the opening kick-off they proceeded to lay an egg. At halftime (I believe the score was 42-3) most of the stadium was empty. I was nearly run-over trying get out of there.

My friend said that was the atmosphere on Saturday but the ASU crowd was less passionate than the Illini.

This is unacceptable. As long as he stays around he draws comparisons to Holmoe. I wouldn't want that to by my legacy.

Tedford needs to do himself a favor. He needs to go.

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People that had a great legacy going, then f*ck up and people only remember the bad part. Their legacy is only remembered as crap. 2 that come to mind are Joe Pa and Brett Favre, and sooo many more.
And if Tedford continues like this, no one will remember the new stadium and the rise from the Holmoe years, they will only remember the ongoing debacle that is now!!! Sad

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People that had a great legacy going, then f*ck up and people only remember the bad part. Their legacy is only remembered as crap. 2 that come to mind are Joe Pa and Brett Favre, and sooo many more.
And if Tedford continues slike this, no one will remember the new stadium and the rise fron the Holmoe years, they will only remember the ongoing debacle that is now!!! Sad

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Dave, you are very correct. For Tedford's sake I hope he realizes this. The head coach of a major college football program is under a microscope. What is observable today is the shell of a coach from 6-8 years ago.

My lasting impression of Holmoe was chewing on his thumb but at least he was erect and showed some passion doing that (and he was physically in good shape). My lasting impression of Tedford is unemotional, robotic with hands on his knees hiding his pouch thinking "Will I have a cab tonight or that chard?"

davetdds;841966648 said:

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People that had a great legacy going, then f*ck up and people only remember the bad part. Their legacy is only remembered as crap. 2 that come to mind are Joe Pa and Brett Favre, and sooo many more.
And if Tedford continues like this, no one will remember the new stadium and the rise from the Holmoe years, they will only remember the ongoing debacle that is now!!! Sad

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Good point, but bad examples.

Farve hurt, but hasn't killed his legacy at all. Farve will still be a Hall of Famer and remembered as a great QB.

Joe Pa- Point stands, but the nature of his discrage is such that it really isn't comparable to Tedford.

A good Tedford comparison might be Ernie Kent. A decade of success at a program that hadn't had much for a long time wiped out by staying too long and horrible years at the end. Early on in his career Kent won the Pac-10 and went to the Elite 8 a couple times. He is universally thought of as a joke now, which is probably unfair considering his early success.

Like Tedford, Kent had chances to leave for greener pastures and was a bit of a "hot" name for a few years after those great seasons. Had he left then, his legacy would be completely different.

It's for that reason that I seldom knock a coach for moving on to a better gig.You should strike when the iron is hot. Most cases of a coach failing to do so, just end up in said coach missing his window of opportunity.

EDIT: In fact this situation is about as much of a parallel as you can get. Only Oregon takes their athletics more seriously than Cal. I just remembered that Kent was fired when their new Basketball arena opened the next season. Just like Tedford, Kent had made Oregon basketball successful enough to build a new facility. Just like Tedford, he got them there, but wasn't worthy of continuing on as coach. But unlike Cal, Oregon didn't give him the opportunity.

TheSwede;841966693 said:

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Good point, but bad examples.

Farve hurt, but hasn't killed his legacy at all. Farve will still be a Hall of Famer and remembered as a great QB.

Joe Pa- Point stands, but the nature of his discrage is such that it really isn't comparable to Tedford.

A good Tedford comparison might be Ernie Kent. A decade of success at a program that hadn't had much for a long time wiped out by staying too long and horrible years at the end. Early on in his career Kent won the Pac-10 and went to the Elite 8 a couple times. He is universally thought of as a joke now, which is probably unfair considering his early success.

Like Tedford, Kent had chances to leave for greener pastures and was a bit of a "hot" name for a few years after those great seasons. Had he left then, his legacy would be completely different.

It's for that reason that I seldom knock a coach for moving on to a better gig.You should strike when the iron is hot. Most cases of a coach failing to do so, just end up in said coach missing his window of opportunity.

EDIT: In fact this situation is about as much of a parallel as you can get. Only Oregon takes their athletics more seriously than Cal. I just remembered that Kent was fired when their new Basketball arena opened the next season. Just like Tedford, Kent had made Oregon basketball successful enough to build a new facility. Just like Tedford, he got them there, but wasn't worthy of continuing on as coach. But unlike Cal, Oregon didn't give him the opportunity.

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Favre? Is that the guy that can't pronounce his own name, popped a lot of pain pills illegally in the 90s, sells cheap blue jeans, and refused to mentor the future NFL MVP? Quite a legacy.

Although he definitely had success, I think Kent was not as highly regarded a coach as JT has been, nor seen nearly as vital to getting the stadium constructed or building the program so much as being a caretaker for Nike. That is obviously overly harsh. Kent deserves much more credit than that, but I don't think many people took him seriously as a BB coach. Contrast him with somebody like Monty or even Romar. Oregon in the era of Nike is a difficult place from a legacy standpoint, because people on the outside all see such a large part of their success being tied to the Nike affiliation. On the whole though, I think the Kent comparison is pretty good. I believe (and sincerely hope) that when JT leaves he will have many very fond well-wishers among the Cal faithful. I have never thought that he didn't give 110% trying to make the program successful. It just hasn't worked the way we wanted it to. He has done a tremendous amount for Cal football. More than any coach since Pappy. His legacy will be a very good one, because unlike Kent with Nike, there is no way the SAHPC and CMS gets done without the work that JT did.

Tedford may have been fired last year if not for (1) the contract and (2) the team finished the regular season on the upswing. I know after the UCLA game I was done with sunshine pumping.

After the Holiday Bowl, when everything we are seeing this season was foreshadowed, was too late to replace a FBS HC.