It was extremely encouraging to see some of the post recently about us having enough money to buy out the remaining of Tedford's contract. While most of us are debating the semantics of firing him mid-year vs end of year, I don't think there are many out there who will still argue that we should keep Tedford around.

I, for one, am quite shocked (but pleased) that we have some big donors who are waving at the buy out clause and saying that the money is not a problem. Many here, myself included, thought that we would be stuck with Tedford for at least the next 2 years.

But I do have to ask....

Assuming that the speculations are correct, and that the big donors CAN come up with the 6 or so million dollars to buy him out.

What happened in the Benedict Lupaid situation? Surely if we can come up with 6 million dollars, we could have gotten half a million to keep one of the best recruiters we have ever had?

A lot of us thought at the time that money was the issue. But these big donors who follow the program closely surely knew the value of Lupaid, at least recruiting wise. If they can pitch in 6 to 8 million dollars for a buy out, surely they can pay Lupaid at least close to a million over a few years, or matched Washington's offer?


I know this is all water under the bridge at this point. But one does wonder...
Anybody in the know?

PS: The only possible explanation in my mind is that Tedford knew of Lupaid's dirty antics, and did not want to keep him around. The other reason would really be that Lupaid told us we could keep him for X dollar amount, and then literally betrayed us and did not give us a chance to match. But if that is the case, why not? We are the alma mater after all

Haven't we been over this ad naseum. The issue was that the asswipe went back twice after promising not to.

As I recall....

1) He came to Tedford with the outside offer
2) Tedford said he would look to match/increase over _IF_ Lup would agree not to put Cal into a bidding war
3) To$h agreed.
4) Tedford and Sandy got him his raise by passing the tin cup
5) To$h broke his word, continuing to allow Seattle to up the ante

A lot of people on BI need to take their god damm high hats off on this one. It isn't like "the real world". Tedford and Sandy are not simply going upstairs to go get an increase in their department budget....

Rather, they are doing a direct fundraising appeal to get the $$$. If you have every fundraised (and remember, they are also trying like dickens to sell ESP and big time donations, including naming rights, for the stadium) you understand why you really hate going back twice to the same well.

the_purple_drank;841966746 said:

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You point out everything wrong with Cal football.

While the Arizonas and Washington States are spending close to $3 million for their head coaches (and more for assistants), Cal simply doesn't feel the need to commit that money to be a fine football team. They don't think up-and-coming assistants should get paid more than the coaching minimum, and they feel it's far more important to spend money on (no other way to say it) the lower tier sports.

This coming off of the heels of the biggest TV revenue contract that Cal will receive. Yet, they couldn't put aside $1 million of the extra $25 million in revenue to appease some of the assistant coaches.

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Highly revisionist history. About 2-3 weeks after the fiasco we found out that the department had made a highly competitive counter to To$h who had broken his word by lying to Tedford.

I think there was a multitude of reasons why Tosh fled to Washington. Ultimately, I think Justin Wilcox was the deciding factor. Knowing that Wilcox is on the up and up, the opportunity for Wilcox to move into a head coaching gig is not a matter of if, but a matter of when. And when that happens, there will be a vacancy in Washington, but also I suspect an agreement was worked out between Justin and Tosh that Tosh would go with him as a the defensive coordinator, which I believe was the deciding factor. Frankly, if I was in Tosh's shoes, I don't think I'd want to hear any other offers from Cal because I'd be leading Cal on, and I don't think he wanted to do that.

If Tosh stayed here, it was a dead end position for him. How many coaches under the Tedford tenure moved on because of a better Job offer?

Arcadiabear;841966729 said:

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It was extremely encouraging to see some of the post recently about us having enough money to buy out the remaining of Tedford's contract. While most of us are debating the semantics of firing him mid-year vs end of year, I don't think there are many out there who will still argue that we should keep Tedford around.

I, for one, am quite shocked (but pleased) that we have some big donors who are waving at the buy out clause and saying that the money is not a problem. Many here, myself included, thought that we would be stuck with Tedford for at least the next 2 years.

But I do have to ask....

Assuming that the speculations are correct, and that the big donors CAN come up with the 6 or so million dollars to buy him out.

What happened in the Benedict Lupaid situation? Surely if we can come up with 6 million dollars, we could have gotten half a million to keep one of the best recruiters we have ever had?

A lot of us thought at the time that money was the issue. But these big donors who follow the program closely surely knew the value of Lupaid, at least recruiting wise. If they can pitch in 6 to 8 million dollars for a buy out, surely they can pay Lupaid at least close to a million over a few years, or matched Washington's offer?


I know this is all water under the bridge at this point. But one does wonder...
Anybody in the know?

PS: The only possible explanation in my mind is that Tedford knew of Lupaid's dirty antics, and did not want to keep him around. The other reason would really be that Lupaid told us we could keep him for X dollar amount, and then literally betrayed us and did not give us a chance to match. But if that is the case, why not? We are the alma mater after all

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Bad blood. No faith in Tedford. Wanted to stick it to him for throwing him under the bus for injurygate.

Considering that Tedford's OC all leave within a year and his current OC has left him before (for Washington, before Raiders), it is safe to say the people that work for him........don't respect him or don't believe in him.

SkyBear;841966772 said:

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Cal donors should have put up enough money to allow Cal to win the bidding war, or at least compete more than we did.

But apart from that, why would Tosh not even allow Cal to counter UW's offer? I get that he already promised it was over, but if he was breaking his word anyway, may as well break it in a manner that gets him even more money--which means letting Cal counter-offer. That part doesn't add up.

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Cause he was likely told that wouldn't happen. If you have ever fundraised you know one of the most untastful things ever is to have to go back for seconds and thirds to get more $$$. My guess is that Tedford said that would NOT be happening. To$h gets a ton of blame because he committed to a certain nut to be raised and then backed out. I am sure that if he had said nut x2 they would have raised nut x2

the_purple_drank;841966789 said:

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Doubtful that that is actually the case. If Lupoi got a raise to $600K, he'd be making more than the titled offensive coordinator.

The athletic department (or maybe even higher up on the chain) didn't want to give Lupoi the money because that would mean giving all the other assistants raises in the short term as well.

In this day and age, Cal needs to be willing to invest $5 mil per year for football coaches, which is certainly plausible given the recent TV contract. For those of you throwing out elite SEC assistant coaches (Smart, etc), that's basically the only shot you have to get him, because some other SEC school will offer him that, anyway. For Pete Carroll to become a possibility, you're going to have to raise that closer to $7 mil for him to bring his staff, etc. The salaries of the coaches on our team is joke, and is I believe the lowest or the second lowest in the conference. Think about that. Coincidence that we're last in the conference?

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I am too lazy to go search for the threads but you can read the blow by blow from the To$h threads back in January. There were members of the gridiron club that gave pretty direct accounts of what was promised and what was raised.

Point blank as of right now looks like Tosh made the right call and if he and Wilcox become the hc and dc next year i will be pleased because we will be far more competitive immediately.

tim94501;841966798 said:

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Point blank as of right now looks like Tosh made the right call and if he and Wilcox become the hc and dc next year i will be pleased because we will be far more competitive immediately.

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and if we have success with them, they'll be gone in another year, off to whoever else pays them the most. i want a hc who wants to be here. who loves the college game, doesn't want to coach in the nfl, and doesn't want to bolt for michican, notre dame or the sec for an extra million. maybe that's impossible to find, but i don't think we'll find it in tosh, even with his golden bear roots. i remember agonizing over mooch bailing on us after one year. the guy didn't even give it a chance. then as soon as we got tedford, not 5 games into the season, it was all about him leaving for one of 5 schools or the nfl.

bearsandgiants;841966803 said:

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and if we have success with them, they'll be gone in another year, off to whoever else pays them the most. i want a hc who wants to be here. who loves the college game, doesn't want to coach in the nfl, and doesn't want to bolt for michican, notre dame or the sec for an extra million. maybe that's impossible to find, but i don't think we'll find it in tosh, even with his golden bear roots. i remember agonizing over mooch bailing on us after one year. the guy didn't even give it a chance. then as soon as we got tedford, not 5 games into the season, it was all about him leaving for one of 5 schools or the nfl.

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In order for a coach to bolt we have to have success. If going to a rosebowl loses our young hotshot coach then oh well. If chip kelly leaves to the nfl i am sure Oregon fans wont regret having had him.

tim94501;841966814 said:

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In order for a coach to bolt we have to have success. If going to a rosebowl loses our young hotshot coach then oh well. If chip kelly leaves to the nfl i am sure Oregon fans wont regret having had him.

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agreed. but cal has a penchant for hiring mediocrity on the heels of success. what happened after snyder? who'd we get after mooch? there is no commitment to success as SB says.

Arcadiabear;841966729 said:

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It was extremely encouraging to see some of the post recently about us having enough money to buy out the remaining of Tedford's contract. While most of us are debating the semantics of firing him mid-year vs end of year, I don't think there are many out there who will still argue that we should keep Tedford around.

I, for one, am quite shocked (but pleased) that we have some big donors who are waving at the buy out clause and saying that the money is not a problem. Many here, myself included, thought that we would be stuck with Tedford for at least the next 2 years.

But I do have to ask....

Assuming that the speculations are correct, and that the big donors CAN come up with the 6 or so million dollars to buy him out.

What happened in the Benedict Lupaid situation? Surely if we can come up with 6 million dollars, we could have gotten half a million to keep one of the best recruiters we have ever had?

A lot of us thought at the time that money was the issue. But these big donors who follow the program closely surely knew the value of Lupaid, at least recruiting wise. If they can pitch in 6 to 8 million dollars for a buy out, surely they can pay Lupaid at least close to a million over a few years, or matched Washington's offer?


I know this is all water under the bridge at this point. But one does wonder...
Anybody in the know?

PS: The only possible explanation in my mind is that Tedford knew of Lupaid's dirty antics, and did not want to keep him around. The other reason would really be that Lupaid told us we could keep him for X dollar amount, and then literally betrayed us and did not give us a chance to match. But if that is the case, why not? We are the alma mater after all

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while i was pissed as hell when it went down, at this point i'm glad to$h left. if he had stayed and kept the class together, i think we'd still be 1-4 (unless to$h is buddy ryan incarnate) but people would be preaching patience and arguing that tedford deserves more years, blah blah blah. all that great talent that lupus might pull in, put together with subpar coaching, would at best result in continued 7-6/minor bowl-type seasons. too many cal fans are satisfied with that, and we'd plod along in mediocrity with tedford at the helm.

as others have said in one form or another-Lupoi wasn't going to be kept "at all costs." They made the effort, and Tosh did what he wanted to do.
For younger Bears, the worst "didn't keep," was Bruce Snyder-he was promised a contract by one AD, the new AD didn't live up to it, and Cal lost out on what would have been their best recruiting year maybe of all time, including a future Heisman Trophy winner.

You guys need to lay off the Tosh juice. The guy was going to leave either way because it's very rare a young coach stays at one school because it limits his development. Tosh needed more experience. The rest of the stuff, how it happened is another story but Toshie was going to leave.

Regarding assistant's salaries, my guess is that's adjusted with the next coach.

Arcadiabear;841966729 said:

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It was extremely encouraging to see some of the post recently about us having enough money to buy out the remaining of Tedford's contract. While most of us are debating the semantics of firing him mid-year vs end of year, I don't think there are many out there who will still argue that we should keep Tedford around.

I, for one, am quite shocked (but pleased) that we have some big donors who are waving at the buy out clause and saying that the money is not a problem. Many here, myself included, thought that we would be stuck with Tedford for at least the next 2 years.

But I do have to ask....

Assuming that the speculations are correct, and that the big donors CAN come up with the 6 or so million dollars to buy him out.

What happened in the Benedict Lupaid situation? Surely if we can come up with 6 million dollars, we could have gotten half a million to keep one of the best recruiters we have ever had?

A lot of us thought at the time that money was the issue. But these big donors who follow the program closely surely knew the value of Lupaid, at least recruiting wise. If they can pitch in 6 to 8 million dollars for a buy out, surely they can pay Lupaid at least close to a million over a few years, or matched Washington's offer?


I know this is all water under the bridge at this point. But one does wonder...
Anybody in the know?

PS: The only possible explanation in my mind is that Tedford knew of Lupaid's dirty antics, and did not want to keep him around. The other reason would really be that Lupaid told us we could keep him for X dollar amount, and then literally betrayed us and did not give us a chance to match. But if that is the case, why not? We are the alma mater after all

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It isn't a question of one salary, but all the coaching salaries. If Tosh is 5th or 6th in the pecking order on the staff and you double his salary to more than the 2nd guy on the ladder, what do you think you have to do to coach 1-4's salaries? Dominoes my friend, Dominoes. $500k quickly becomes $3 million.

mbBear;841966891 said:

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For younger Bears, the worst "didn't keep," was Bruce Snyder-he was promised a contract by one AD, the new AD didn't live up to it, and Cal lost out on what would have been their best recruiting year maybe of all time, including a future Heisman Trophy winner.

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If I was smart, I would have jumped from the Cal train at that point.