well, i am going to do it: DUMP DTV...

now what?

DISH or Time Warner?

Any special deals out there?

Thanks

#GOBEARS

calfanz;841985695 said:

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well, i am going to do it: DUMP DTV...

now what?

DISH or Time Warner?

Any special deals out there?

Thanks

#GOBEARS

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If you are in so cal and like the Lakers, I'd go with Time Warner. I doubt that dish pays for that channel since they also don't pony up for the expensive YES or MSG channels in NYC.


Otherwise dish is a lot cheaper (and they are bringing back AMC). Someone else w/ dish can comment on this, but I thought Dish only did HD for live games in P12 network, and only had a SD boradcast at other times (for replays, studio shows, etc)?

Dish also does HD overflow channels for conflicting games, so that would help the in the rare occasion cal is on the P12 and not the national basketball or football game.

That's all you can stands - you can't stands no more!

i need Pac12 in HD always...... Does DISH do that?

Yeah, Pac12 network is HD most of the time. The games are always HD, but not some of the random programs.

Dish (either DTV or Dish) is always better than cable. It's cheaper and has better DVR and receiver technology. Since DirecTV doesn't have Pac-12 Network, then you only have one option for a satellite provider. My bill is also crazy since I switched to Time-Warner. I had other reasons for switching to T-W rather than Dish, including that Dish did not have P-12 N at the time I switched. But there's also local programming that DTV and Dish don't have here in Honolulu. Good luck.

What is the DVR/receiver technology of which you speak? Just curious. I think Dish has some Slingbox capable DVRs... is there anything else the satellite companies do?

I have Comcast in SF... not going to switch anytime soon, but it's good to know the options for the future. The Comcast Motorola DVRs are pretty shitty. I also have a TiVo Premiere which I like, but nothing's perfect.

Anyway, it sounds like people really love DirectTV and wouldn't switch if they could get the P12 networks and Time Warner Sports (in the LA area).

KoreAmBear;841985745 said:

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Dish (either DTV or Dish) is always better than cable. It's cheaper and has better DVR and receiver technology. Since DirecTV doesn't have Pac-12 Network, then you only have one option for a satellite provider. My bill is also crazy since I switched to Time-Warner. I had other reasons for switching to T-W rather than Dish, including that Dish did not have P-12 N at the time I switched. But there's also local programming that DTV and Dish don't have here in Honolulu. Good luck.

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rathokan;841985807 said:

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What is the DVR/receiver technology of which you speak? Just curious. I think Dish has some Slingbox capable DVRs... is there anything else the satellite companies do?

I have Comcast in SF... not going to switch anytime soon, but it's good to know the options for the future. The Comcast Motorola DVRs are pretty shitty. I also have a TiVo Premiere which I like, but nothing's perfect.

Anyway, it sounds like people really love DirectTV and wouldn't switch if they could get the P12 networks and Time Warner Sports (in the LA area).

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I'm not sure about the Comcast DVR offerings but I believe that DirecTV and DISH have better "whole home" DVR offerings where you can watch, stop and resume watching shows in any room of your house. I'm a bit biased but I think DISH's offering is better. Here are the main HD DVR receivers from DISH:

722: Supports 1 HD and 1 SD TV. Ideal for a home with only 2 TVs
922: Same as the 722, but Sling-loaded ... you can also just add a Sling adapter to a 722
Hopper: Supports up to 4 HD TVs (but only 3 can watch live TV simultaneously ... it only has 3 tuners. The 4th TV can mirror one of the others or watch a recorded program). Although there are only 3 tuners, you can record 6 programs at the same time. This is because of the "PrimeTime Anytime" feature. When this feature is enabled, 1 tuner will record all 4 major TV networks during Prime Time. It will automatically record for 8 days (it has a 2 Terabyte hard disk). And if you enable another feature (AutoHop), you can watch these major network shows without commercials if it's more than 24 hours since they've been recorded
If you have more than 4 TVs, you can get 2 Hoppers and support up to 6 or 8 TVs. You can also add a Sling adapter to the Hopper.

@calfanz, as far as special deals, if you get a current DISH subscriber to refer you, you both get $50.

Didn't Dish buy SlingBox?

Anyway, when I looked about 4 mths ago, the Sling adaptor was less than a $100 (think more like $50), so economical way to get Sling Box (with apps for phone and pretty much everything else).

And yes, AMC is back on my menu (Channel 131).

First weekend of football season, 3 Pac12 games were on simultaneously (the 2 overflow channels were HD, while the main channel was not yet HD capable, but has been HD for about a month now).

I'm soon going to follow some of the posters to Dish and leave Directv as well. I hate to do it since I'm a 13 year customer, but it is becoming apparent there's no real shot in the foreseeable future of Directv carrying the Pac12 Network, so it's time to cut the cord. When comparing cost and features, Dish seemed to have a leg up in each area, which is surprising since I never really thought of them as a viable option in the past.

Wookids;841985852 said:

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Didn't Dish buy SlingBox?

Anyway, when I looked about 4 mths ago, the Sling adaptor was less than a $100 (think more like $50), so economical way to get Sling Box (with apps for phone and pretty much everything else).

And yes, AMC is back on my menu (Channel 131).

First weekend of football season, 3 Pac12 games were on simultaneously (the 2 overflow channels were HD, while the main channel was not yet HD capable, but has been HD for about a month now).

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I was quoted 30 bucks for the dish branded slingbox - in addition to what I already have from them. I.e the hopper, joeys, etc. Yeah dish bought the sling company so they have a branded slingbox that plugs into the hopper with a usb connection and they also sell the other sling models for other technology

I'm totally happy with dish at this point. I was thinking this just yesterday. Now that amc is back, I have nothing to complain about.

There are dish overflow channels for P12N in both hd and sd. I discovered this quite by accident a while back. P12N main channel is 413. P12N overflows start at 5413. You will get all the games in hd. You may be forced to watch replays of football and WVB in sd. As well as p12 playbook or whatever.

Wondered if you guys had any experience with ATT Uverse? Are there still pixelation issues? Any info on this package?

philly1121;841986001 said:

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Wondered if you guys had any experience with ATT Uverse? Are there still pixelation issues? Any info on this package?

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Uverse doesn't have the pac 12 network....

rathokan;841985807 said:

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What is the DVR/receiver technology of which you speak? Just curious. I think Dish has some Slingbox capable DVRs... is there anything else the satellite companies do?

I have Comcast in SF... not going to switch anytime soon, but it's good to know the options for the future. The Comcast Motorola DVRs are pretty shitty. I also have a TiVo Premiere which I like, but nothing's perfect.

Anyway, it sounds like people really love DirectTV and wouldn't switch if they could get the P12 networks and Time Warner Sports (in the LA area).

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I think DTV has the best technology (faster processor and more hard drive space I believe) but since no P12N I would say Dish is still pretty good. I'm just comparing v. T-W. The DirecTV/Dish have seamless whole house DVR capability that is clean and user friendly. T-W DVRs also have very un-user friendly DVR organization. It lists out the recorded shows one by one and does not group them like DISH or DTV does. The fast forward is clunky -- you have to go super slow or super fast and you can't jump in 30 second increments forwards (only backwards). The T-W DVR receiver looks like it's from the 80s. There are probably a few more things I am forgetting right now. Plus, cable has all these charges and fees that satellite doesn't have and usually it's about $20-40 per month out of the gate just in overhead. Only downside to DirecTV (besides Pac-12 Network) is that you cannot attach an external drive for more hard drive space (unless they upgraded that in the new models). Dish and T-W receivers you can.

I just pulled the trigger and ordered DISH. They will install Saturday. I should be watching the game Saturday night.

It is really bittersweet. I have been a Directv Customer for more than 10 years. I really liked their service. This Pac-12 thing really pissed me off though. I decided to end it today.

I will pay $300 to DirecTV to end the relationship but at least it will be over.

They are all bad IMHO.

DISH does not get AMC. I have Time-Warner and was planning to switch to DirectTV because Time-Warner refuses to carry Padres games...in San Diego. (And due to ML rules we can't watch Dodgers or Angels either.)

It sucks! (Plus rates are ridiculous.) But then DirectTV pulled this crap with the Pac-12 network. So maybe I'll do DirectTV in the winter and spring, and TW in the fall?

They all suck. I think, in the end, they'll drive everyone to watching TV on the internet. Quite a few people I know doing that now...

CalBearz02;841986349 said:

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I thought DISH doesn't carry local networks, which means you lose out on national sports broadcasts which are hosted by local networks. Is this the case? This has always kept me from considering DISH.

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Dish has local networks for the major metro areas and then some. If you live in some really Podunk place, you might not have locals.

+1

Cable DVR technology is awful compared to both Dish and DTV, unless you go with TIVO. But the whole-home technology is purely dish. I'm suffering through DTV through the end of the NFL season and then moving on. I may even consider a multiple-provider scenario. I'm just so frigging loyal!!! And DTV is not entirely to blame. They only want the same deal DTV gave to Big 10.

KoreAmBear;841986034 said:

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The T-W DVR receiver looks like it's from the 80s.

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The Scientific Atlanta (S-A) dvrs T-W Oceanic initially installed crapped out within 2 weeks. When the replacement S-A ones required constant re-booting, I blew my stack which made the company put me on the VIP list (:acclaim and issued me the newer model dvrs made by Cisco, the company that absorbed S-A. They also have a Samsung dvr according to the CSR who handled my case.

Californication;841986504 said:

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And DTV is not entirely to blame. They only want the same deal DTV gave to Big 10.

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If the Dish deal is any indication, the P12 is asking for less than the BTN is getting in terms carriage package and in price per month. P12 can do this and be competitive because they own the entire network and don't share revenues 50/50. P12 has to ask less for now because there really is less nationwide demand, but hopefully demand in the west is high enough to force DTV's hand.... they presumably would not have to pay anything significant for viewers outside the 6 P12 states anyway.

for those of you on Dish, how well does the whole home DVR service work? How is it all interconnected: wireless, coax, ethernet? How well does the mobile Sling client work? I use the iOS app, and it's pretty unstable over cellular... keeps crashing.

SanseiBear;841986527 said:

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The Scientific Atlanta (S-A) dvrs T-W Oceanic initially installed crapped out within 2 weeks. When the replacement S-A ones required constant re-booting, I blew my stack which made the company put me on the VIP list (:acclaim and issued me the newer model dvrs made by Cisco, the company that absorbed S-A. They also have a Samsung dvr according to the CSR who handled my case.

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Yes, I noticed that my parents had the Samsung DVR when I visited them in L.A. (they also have T-W). Yah the SA machines are just crap. I could tell they gave me recycled ones too. Pretty weak. Overall, though, I can't complain too much now.

rathokan;841986551 said:

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for those of you on Dish, how well does the whole home DVR service work? How is it all interconnected: wireless, coax, ethernet? How well does the mobile Sling client work? I use the iOS app, and it's pretty unstable over cellular... keeps crashing.

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I switched to Dish last month. It takes a while to get used to the controls but here are my thoughts

-DVR menu uses progam logos rather than name manue of DTV
-Prime time any time lets you record a lot more shows than similar DTV setup
-I find the fastforward and rewind much more responsive with Dish
-Mine is setup just like DTV was, with coax cables, but, if you go with the Hopper, your extra tv only need a Joey, which doesn't even have to be visible. My bedroom joey is under a dresser because the remotes are UHF, not IR
-via Dish remote you can do HD picture-in-picture
-coworker signed up for Dish and used the $50 coupon I sent him to get the Sling for free, he said it works great (I don't have it yet)

Wow, Dish is sounding really attractive. I assume you don't need IR blaster dongles w/ the Sling adapter from Dish?

How do the Joeys connect to the Hopper?

My setup right now is kind of a cluster... cable into the TiVo, HDMI to the TV, component to the Slingbox w/ IR blasters, component then passed through to an EyeTV HD w/ it's own set of IR blasters, connected through USB to my computer. Lots of cables.

Anybody know if the Dish Hopper/Joeys can simultaneously output to HDMI and Component Video?

http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/279670-SatelliteGuys-FIRST-LOOK-DISH-s-Hopper-and-Joey

ColoradoBear1;841986007 said:

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Uverse doesn't have the pac 12 network....

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I know. I was just wondering about quality. The fact that Directv doesn't get the P12 Network is just one factor in me wanting to get rid of Directv.