We should have seen this coming when JT brought ayoob in as the next great QB.

Boot;841988098 said:

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We should have seen this coming when JT brought ayoob in as the next great QB.

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Yes, and kept him in the entire year until the end when Steve Levy came in and won the last two games. There have been signs of JT's current issues since years ago, they weren't as problematic as they are now but they were there even in the early years.

At least Joe was a model citizen at Cal. I'll take Ayoob over Maynard any day.

oh no...you know your program is in serious trouble when the ghost of joe ayooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooob is resurrected in a post.

jbumx2;841988129 said:

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At least Joe was a model citizen at Cal. I'll take Ayoob over Maynard any day.

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Exactly. I totally agree. Maynard is really the only Cal player I've ever disliked at all. Ayoob and Vedder may have sucked but I had respect for them as Cal student athletes. Never had much respect for Maynard (although he does play tough out there considering he's built like a Pop Tart).

OskiMD;841988127 said:

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until the end when Steve Levy came in and won the last two games. There have been signs of JT's current issues since years ago,

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Didn't Levy get is seroius trouble with JT for running a play of his own at the end of the big game?

also, is Steve Levy any relation to Marv?

Boot;841988098 said:

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We should have seen this coming when JT brought ayoob in as the next great QB.

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2005 was BY FAR our easiest schedule, too.

We could have been very good... maybe 10 wins... with an average QB.

CalBearz02;841988109 said:

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Mildly amusing, but a reach nonetheless. Ayoob was the no.1 JUCO QB in the country.

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Maynard was recruited by Temple and Buffalo.

jbumx2;841988129 said:

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At least Joe was a model citizen at Cal. I'll take Ayoob over Maynard any day.

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Ayoob is still a great guy to have had at Cal, IMHO.

okaydo;841988161 said:

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Maynard was recruited by Temple and Buffalo.

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But at Buffalo he was ridiculously good... that's why we picked him up.

OskiMD;841988127 said:

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Yes, and kept him in the entire year until the end when Steve Levy came in and won the last two games. There have been signs of JT's current issues since years ago, they weren't as problematic as they are now but they were there even in the early years.

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Aye. Like Chekhov's gun.

As a JC All-American, Joe Ayoob was a very talented QB, and a very good running QB, in a spread offense. When he came to Cal, Jeff Tedford was not running a spread offense, but a pro set offense. He tried to make Ayoob adjust to the different system, and tried to turn Ayoob into a passer from the pocket.

A good coach tailors his offense to suit the talent that he has.

Another small example might be if you are going to run a small tailback like Sofele into the line, there should be a fullback in the game to run through the hole first, to block for Sofele. This is not the case with Tedford's offense.

HitSquad;841988154 said:

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Didn't Levy get is seroius trouble with JT for running a play of his own at the end of the big game?

also, is Steve Levy any relation to Marv?

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Holiday Bowl against aggy I believe...changed the play to a handoff instead of downing it...

HitSquad;841988154 said:

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Didn't Levy get is seroius trouble with JT for running a play of his own at the end of the big game?

also, is Steve Levy any relation to Marv?

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Didn't he also throw a beer mug at someone at Kips? Lol

I was certain Joe Ayoob was the lousiest QB I had seen.
I might be wrong.
Tedford may be the most overrated QB coach in the history of football, and he ruined Ayoob. Only Aaron Rodgers survived his coaching.

agreed....Tedford ruined Ayoob. Ayoob in the right system could have been much better

SFCityBear;841988999 said:

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As a JC All-American, Joe Ayoob was a very talented QB, and a very good running QB, in a spread offense. When he came to Cal, Jeff Tedford was not running a spread offense, but a pro set offense. He tried to make Ayoob adjust to the different system, and tried to turn Ayoob into a passer from the pocket.

A good coach tailors his offense to suit the talent that he has.

Another small example might be if you are going to run a small tailback like Sofele into the line, there should be a fullback in the game to run through the hole first, to block for Sofele. This is not the case with Tedford's offense.

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Cal Insider;841989131 said:

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agreed....Tedford ruined Ayoob. Ayoob in the right system could have been much better

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IIRC it was Ayoob's accuracy that was his biggest issue. I suppose if Ayoob ran an Air Force option, then I'd agree with you.

LethalFang;841989020 said:

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I was certain Joe Ayoob was the lousiest QB I had seen.
I might be wrong.
Tedford may be the most overrated QB coach in the history of football, and he ruined Ayoob. Only Aaron Rodgers survived his coaching.

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Ayoob was better than Vedder... And from my understanding Vedder was not as bad as some other bad QB's


Maynard has a lot of the qualities Vedder has... except Vedder beat USC.

Please remember that RS frosh Nate Longshore was the starting QB in 2005, only to go down with a season-ending leg injury in the opening game with Sacramento State, and back-up Joe Ayoob was hurriedly inserted into the starting role. Looking at the [URL="http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/090305aab.html"][COLOR="Navy"]recap[/COLOR][/URL], it looks like Cal had problems getting up for a game even back then.

SFCityBear;841988999 said:

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As a JC All-American, Joe Ayoob was a very talented QB, and a very good running QB, in a spread offense. When he came to Cal, Jeff Tedford was not running a spread offense, but a pro set offense. He tried to make Ayoob adjust to the different system, and tried to turn Ayoob into a passer from the pocket.

A good coach tailors his offense to suit the talent that he has.

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Yes but remember that the projected starter for 2005 was Nate Longshore, who was well suited to Tedford's offense. Ayoob might have been able to adjust to the change better if he had had more time, but Longshore's season-ending leg injury in the first quarter of the first game forced Ayoob into the starting role well before he was ready. And it showed.

LDB

Ldbcalbear;841989214 said:

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Yes but remember that the projected starter for 2005 was Nate Longshore, who was well suited to Tedford's offense. Ayoob might have been able to adjust to the change better if he had had more time, but Longshore's season-ending leg injury in the first quarter of the first game forced Ayoob into the starting role well before he was ready. And it showed.

LDB

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after Joe took over for Nate in the opening game. Cal should have won the next game against UCLA except we kept punting to Maurice Drew who scored a TD on a punt return in addition to some long returns and not defending a fake punt in the 4th quarter when we had only 10 players on the field and UCLA picked up a key first down when they had fourth-and-2 at their own 42 and Jarrad Page ran for 38 yards. Also, Cal had two FGs from about 25 yards that could have easily been TDs. Ayoob played well enough for Cal to win that day, IMO. [URL="http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/100905aaa.html"][COLOR="Navy"]Link.[/COLOR][/URL]