Now I could be wrong (and someone is welcome to do the research to prove me wrong), but it seems to me that Cal Football has the highest avg. season ticket prices/per home wins in the history of college football. Let that sink in a second. We are paying more for our tickets than anyone has ever/per home wins in the history of CFB. Again, I could be wrong (maybe one of those bad Notre Dame seasons could have been worse?) but the numbers are pretty damning.

So lets look at those numbers. Two home wins. TWO! One against an FBS schools, so really just one home win.

Section FF = $1500 per seat or $750 per home win

Field Club ESP starts at $2700 per seat or $1350 per home win.

Who in their right mind is going to be OK with this?

I am one of those idiots who sits in the ESP section, and let me tell you, people are pissed. PISSED!!!! Not a second goes by that someone isn't cussing out Tedford. No one, and I mean no one in that section is supportive of Tedford at all. And I am pretty sure the mood is the same with the .0001%ers up in the University Club. I promise, there will be a small riot of rich people if Tedford is kept on another season.

So I find this whole debate among the negas and pumpers about whether Tedford is qualified or deserves another year to be absolutely silly. Whether he is qualified, or deserves another year or is going to be the next mike riley is completely irrelevant. the admin is not stupid, they know whats up. the only thing that matters to them is the following

1) how many ESP seats will be sold if tedford is kept on another year?
2) how many ESP'ers will opt out if tedford is kept on another year?

If tedford is kept on another year, we all know that the season ticket numbers are going to be abysmal next year. there is going to be a mass exodus out of the ESP section. there already is. There were more UW fans sitting in the ESP section last game than Cal fans. going to see holmoe with cheap ticket prices is one thing. going to see the same type of product paying 100x more, not going to happen. I promise.

the powers that be are not stupid. they understand that paying tedford off is a mere pittance to the long term financial ruin that will occur by keeping tedford another year. so for all those thinking tedford is going to be back next year, good luck with that. you can argue till you are blue in the face about how he is really not that bad or deserves another year or what have you. but unless you can argue that we aren't going to take a huge hit with ESP seats, then you have ZERO argument.

ducky23;841997188 said:

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Now I could be wrong (and someone is welcome to do the research to prove me wrong), but it seems to me that Cal Football has the highest avg. season ticket prices/per home wins in the history of college football. Let that sink in a second. We are paying more for our tickets than anyone has ever/per home wins in the history of CFB. Again, I could be wrong (maybe one of those bad Notre Dame seasons could have been worse?) but the numbers are pretty damning.

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Washington had a winless season only 5 years ago. How quick some people forget.

How much were the UW season tickets?

for instance, when Cal went winless at home Holmoe's last year, people were probably still paying less per home win then this year. even with no wins.

ducky23;841997208 said:

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How much were the UW season tickets?

for instance, when Cal went winless at home Holmoe's last year, people were probably still paying less per home win then this year. even with no wins.

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Even if only $1, $1/0 = $$$$INFINITY per home win.

you forgot to factor in the ZERO divisor. (Note: not the ZERO visor)

ducky23;841997188 said:

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Now I could be wrong (and someone is welcome to do the research to prove me wrong), but it seems to me that Cal Football has the highest avg. season ticket prices/per home wins in the history of college football. Let that sink in a second.

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ESP is only 2000 (sold) of ~35k season tickets. Maybe they are the most expensive tickets per win this year as there really isn't anything priced like that in the country, but on average, I'm guessing Cal fans do not pay that much. $225 for endzone seats went fast and so did the $300 seats with only minimal donations. And that said, wins per $$ per ticket isn't a great metric since schools with large stadiums AND higher average ticket prices bring in so much more money it's insane.... SEC SEC SEC.... actually a lot of Big Ten and SEC schools bring in $30-35 million easy in ticket sales - compare to Cal at ~ $15 million (pretty constant from 2008-2011 actually). If one counts ESP as ticket sales and not a donation to the stadium project... Cal might be up to $25-27 million this year, but that also assumes that ESP sales didn't come out of the pool of regular seats which I'm sure they did. All of that analysis is somewhat flawed because of the per seat donation too (which can be donated to other programs in the AD), but I think the basic point still remains - smaller relative stadium, $450 million debt to pay... other schools have more money and spend it on football. Of course we are going to be at a higher cost per win.. if we are winning or not... considering who we compete against in CFB.


If anyone wants to peruse revenue:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-14/ncaa-college-athletics-finances-database/54955804/1

I'm a little sloppy because I'm sure basketball revenue counts in 'ticket sales', but I think I've seen figures that 80-90% of ticket revenue at BCS schools is for football.

calumnus;841997213 said:

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Even if only $1, $1/0 = $$$$INFINITY per home win.

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I thought this was implied hahaha.

Holmoephobic;841997326 said:

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I thought this was implied hahaha.

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yeah yeah yeah. i know. my bad. but still, I would rather pay $400 for season tickets back in the holmoe days for no wins than pay $1500 for 1 win over UCLA.

that's not to take away from the greater point I was trying to make (until I forgot that some BCS teams actually do go winless at home) that our season tickets are way more expensive than they should be.

ducky23;841997339 said:

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yeah yeah yeah. i know. my bad. but still, I would rather pay $400 for season tickets back in the holmoe days for no wins than pay $1500 for 1 win over UCLA.

that's not to take away from the greater point I was trying to make (until I forgot that some BCS teams actually do go winless at home) that our season tickets are way more expensive than they should be.

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Were you at the UCLA game? I have to say it was awesome to see in person and all my friends agreed that the one win made the price of the season tickets worth it. Just a great evening all around. I will remember that win and sending the ruins home in shambles long after I've forgotten the loss to ASU, for example. As for the cost of season tickets - you are not paying for the on the field play going forward, you are paying for the stadium and the future of Cal athletics. Hopefully the ESP buyers and the other donors don't look at season tickets as a one-year referendum on the football team.

ducky23;841997188 said:

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Now I could be wrong (and someone is welcome to do the research to prove me wrong), but it seems to me that Cal Football has the highest avg. season ticket prices/per home wins in the history of college football. Let that sink in a second. We are paying more for our tickets than anyone has ever/per home wins in the history of CFB. Again, I could be wrong (maybe one of those bad Notre Dame seasons could have been worse?) but the numbers are pretty damning.

So lets look at those numbers. Two home wins. TWO! One against an FBS schools, so really just one home win.

Section FF = $1500 per seat or $750 per home win

Field Club ESP starts at $2700 per seat or $1350 per home win.

Who in their right mind is going to be OK with this?

I am one of those idiots who sits in the ESP section, and let me tell you, people are pissed. PISSED!!!! Not a second goes by that someone isn't cussing out Tedford. No one, and I mean no one in that section is supportive of Tedford at all. And I am pretty sure the mood is the same with the .0001%ers up in the University Club. I promise, there will be a small riot of rich people if Tedford is kept on another season.

So I find this whole debate among the negas and pumpers about whether Tedford is qualified or deserves another year to be absolutely silly. Whether he is qualified, or deserves another year or is going to be the next mike riley is completely irrelevant. the admin is not stupid, they know whats up. the only thing that matters to them is the following

1) how many ESP seats will be sold if tedford is kept on another year?
2) how many ESP'ers will opt out if tedford is kept on another year?

If tedford is kept on another year, we all know that the season ticket numbers are going to be abysmal next year. there is going to be a mass exodus out of the ESP section. there already is. There were more UW fans sitting in the ESP section last game than Cal fans. going to see holmoe with cheap ticket prices is one thing. going to see the same type of product paying 100x more, not going to happen. I promise.

the powers that be are not stupid. they understand that paying tedford off is a mere pittance to the long term financial ruin that will occur by keeping tedford another year. so for all those thinking tedford is going to be back next year, good luck with that. you can argue till you are blue in the face about how he is really not that bad or deserves another year or what have you. but unless you can argue that we aren't going to take a huge hit with ESP seats, then you have ZERO argument.

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Uh, I paid a $1 for 0 home wins in 2001...

That ruins any average you can figure now.

:tedford

" ... down year. "

You are right on. I am the owner of 2 ESP seats. I made the mistake of paying the full price up front, so I'm now stuck with them for 40 years. I am hearing the same disatisfaction as you are from all the people sitting around me; everyone wants Tedford gone at the end of the season, if not sooner. At the Washington game the two rows above me were almost all Washington fans.

If Tedford is not fired very soon, I expect that ESP subscriptions will fall from 1,700 to around 1,200 and total season ticket sales next year will fall to about 20,000. The Athletic Department just can't afford to let that happen.

ducky23;841997188 said:

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Now I could be wrong (and someone is welcome to do the research to prove me wrong), but it seems to me that Cal Football has the highest avg. season ticket prices/per home wins in the history of college football. Let that sink in a second. We are paying more for our tickets than anyone has ever/per home wins in the history of CFB. Again, I could be wrong (maybe one of those bad Notre Dame seasons could have been worse?) but the numbers are pretty damning.

So lets look at those numbers. Two home wins. TWO! One against an FBS schools, so really just one home win.

Section FF = $1500 per seat or $750 per home win

Field Club ESP starts at $2700 per seat or $1350 per home win.

Who in their right mind is going to be OK with this?

I am one of those idiots who sits in the ESP section, and let me tell you, people are pissed. PISSED!!!! Not a second goes by that someone isn't cussing out Tedford. No one, and I mean no one in that section is supportive of Tedford at all. And I am pretty sure the mood is the same with the .0001%ers up in the University Club. I promise, there will be a small riot of rich people if Tedford is kept on another season.

So I find this whole debate among the negas and pumpers about whether Tedford is qualified or deserves another year to be absolutely silly. Whether he is qualified, or deserves another year or is going to be the next mike riley is completely irrelevant. the admin is not stupid, they know whats up. the only thing that matters to them is the following

1) how many ESP seats will be sold if tedford is kept on another year?
2) how many ESP'ers will opt out if tedford is kept on another year?

If tedford is kept on another year, we all know that the season ticket numbers are going to be abysmal next year. there is going to be a mass exodus out of the ESP section. there already is. There were more UW fans sitting in the ESP section last game than Cal fans. going to see holmoe with cheap ticket prices is one thing. going to see the same type of product paying 100x more, not going to happen. I promise.

the powers that be are not stupid. they understand that paying tedford off is a mere pittance to the long term financial ruin that will occur by keeping tedford another year. so for all those thinking tedford is going to be back next year, good luck with that. you can argue till you are blue in the face about how he is really not that bad or deserves another year or what have you. but unless you can argue that we aren't going to take a huge hit with ESP seats, then you have ZERO argument.

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Thanks for enlightening us on the mood between the 30s. It doesn't exactly surprise me. I had a momentary lapse of consciousness this morning, thinking that we should give JT one more year so we could see how he would do with facilities and a real QB. But then I thought about the play calling and his stubborness. And I realized that nothing would really change that much.

ducky23;841997188 said:

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the admin is not stupid, they know whats up. the only thing that matters to them is the following

1) how many ESP seats will be sold if tedford is kept on another year?
2) how many ESP'ers will opt out if tedford is kept on another year?

If Tedford is kept on another year, we all know that the season ticket numbers are going to be abysmal next year. there is going to be a mass exodus out of the ESP section. there already is.

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This. We've already been through this with Ben Braun and the basketball program. I had chairbacks at Haas from the opening but finally, in what turned out to be Braun's last year, didn't renew.

Now, with Monty, I am excited about Cal BB again, but I to to 2-3 games a year and watch the rest on TV. It looks like a lot of others have made this change as well, even with a PAC-10 championship, Haas still has too many empty seats.

Once you lose the fan commitment, its hard to get it back. I am afraid that standing by for another year of JT will cause deep and lasting harm to the ESP program, as well as the higher donation non-ESP sections. Those that fail to learn from the past are doomed - hopefully its not too late and Sandy did learn something by waiting too long to make the BB change.

ducky23;841997208 said:

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How much were the UW season tickets?

for instance, when Cal went winless at home Holmoe's last year, people were probably still paying less per home win then this year. even with no wins.

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:facepalm

SanMateoBear;841997540 said:

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This. We've already been through this with Ben Braun and the basketball program. I had chairbacks at Haas from the opening but finally, in what turned out to be Braun's last year, didn't renew.

Now, with Monty, I am excited about Cal BB again, but I to to 2-3 games a year and watch the rest on TV. It looks like a lot of others have made this change as well, even with a PAC-10 championship, Haas still has too many empty seats.

Once you lose the fan commitment, its hard to get it back. I am afraid that standing by for another year of JT will cause deep and lasting harm to the ESP program, as well as the higher donation non-ESP sections. Those that fail to learn from the past are doomed - hopefully its not too late and Sandy did learn something by waiting too long to make the BB change.

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I agree that the Basketball lesson is going to prompt the AD to make a quicker decision - and hopefully some of the most generous dono))rs will be willing to help make this happen.

If say 20% of ESP holders do not renew (I know the ones who paid upfront are kind of stuck), I think that puts us around 350. At 4000-15000 per year (say averages around 7000), that is around 2.5MM per year in lost revenue - and recouping that might require several winning years in a row (which could take 3-5 years to get back to that level).

That's essentially the cost of JT's buyout - so I think the economics of the situation will force Cal to make a decision sooner than later.

If you paid up front you must have deep pockets as well as a deep commitment to Cal Football. Things go in cycles.Teams will not be winning all the time. Also, when you made the commitment did you think Tedofrd would magically change his philosophy?