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JeffEarlWarren
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Coach Tedford's story is indeed Shakespearean. He brought the Cal faithful to heights unheard of for over half a century, and then the rabble rose up and turned him out.

Do we at Cal eat our own? Was this tragedy avoidable?

When we look back at this 20 years from now (I mean when you do, I'll be dead), I'm guessing that the root cause of this tragedy can be found, not at the Head Coaching level but at the highest levels of the Universityin the Chancellor's office. More on that later.

To understand any human tragedy, turn to Ecclesiastes. (No, not "The race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong; but chance and circumstance happeneth to them all." )

Though that classic line applies here, check out the ironic, "He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it;"

It is so apropos.

Tedford built the Stadiumdug it if you will--(ok, Barkley Simpson and other g Bears really built it)--and it brought him downnot necessarily in the way you think.

Were we in the old stadium, drawing 29,000 fans, would Coach Tedford have lost his job? Maybethe academic angle was huge.

But, if he lost his job, he wouldn't have lost it because there were too few splinters in the backsides of fans in the bleachers.

Actually, what did him in was demon rum.

Someone assumed that since certain Alumni and Alumnae were contributing five and six figure amounts, they deserved a small rewardlike protection from the capricious outdoor elements plus free food and worse, but bestfree booze.

I experienced this for the first time during the ASU fiasco.

It was during that game that I realized cooking Tedford's goose would occur in a marinade of Grey Goose. The last thing a head coach needs is a bunch of alumni grousing over the team's performance where a lot of booze is being consumed.

If you think a gaggle of wives have opinions about their husbands, try a bevy besotted alumni (nattering nabobs of negativism) talking about a head coach.

Fortified with John Barley Corn, we suddenly have the courage to, not only express those opinions over and overbut do it rather loudly. Cue the Mo!

(Few people realize that the sacred section CC was first populated by Marty Cullom and some other coaches' wives back in the early 60's because they couldn't stand hearing fans criticize their husbands from their seats on GG).

Fans criticize coaches. It's what we doeverywhere

And being Cal Grads, though Eccesiastes said "There is nothing new under the sun" being wise, he also must have said, "Cal Grads think they know everything under the sun."

Just as there is a time for every season, a time to live and a time to die, a time to reap and a time to sowas football fans we know there is a time to run, and a time to pass, a time to kick away and a time to fake it, a time to go for one and a time to go for two.

We can't understand why the coach doesn't know what we know. We could do his job with our eyes closed and half our brain tied behind our backwhich is how we sound most of the time.

It was never about wins and losses. It was about what it means to don the Blue and Gold. I got an e-mail last week from "The Beaser", John Beasley former tight end for Cal who played in the Super Bowl for the Vikings.

I wear my Blue & Gold proudly back here, as well as my Vikings' 1969 NFL Championship ring. [U]But, my most prized possession is my CAL diploma! [/U]

People not connected with Cal (Read current the coaching staff, most administrators and the Chancellor) don't get that.

They pay lip service to it, but they don't get it.

Cal is different. We don't always have to win, but we have to be DIFFERENT from other schools. We have to be able to take pride in our kids.

(Maybe that's just our excuse for certain losses, but it's what keeps us going).

Do kids today have any thought (or are they taught the significance of playing on the field where Andy Smith's ashes are scattered? Would it matter?).

I get e-mails from Jim Burress who captained the Bears (and from '59 to '61 never won more than two games in a season). He had the honor of greeting President Kennedy, when he told 83,000 in Memorial Stadium that there "was more brain power currently at Cal, than in the history of the world with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone at the White House."

Not sure the Crimson Tide's captain has a recollection like that. It's one of those little things that sets us apart.

As a kid, I witnessed all those losses in the mid 50's and 60's but LOVED the Bears. There was always next year!

THE PLAY stands head and shoulders above all the rest, but ours is a culture of amazing memories, (Bradley beating Penn State on a pass from Hunt with .01 seconds before the snapresulting in the hiring of a kid, Joe Paterno; Sweeny beating Stanford State on the last play of the last game of the last season; Marc Hicks single handedly decimating SC; Coming from Behind to beat Oregon 42-43 in '93the list goes on and on.

In between those games have been some horrendous losses, but it was never about W's. It was about how Cal played football.

It varies from year to year, but my memory is that at least we were "tough." Willsey used to say we could beat anyoneif we played in a telephone booth. In '67 (or was it '68) I was told not one team beat us the following Saturday, no matter the outcome against us. They were just too physically beat up to play well (have never made the effort to see whether that's true or not, but he principal remains the same).

Like Pete Newell's NCAA champs we were never the bestwe just worked harder and were toughplus like the Beaser we were proud of that diploma, and like Burress, we were in an environment where we might shake President Kennedy's hand. WE WERE DIFFERENT.

That difference, eased the pain of losing.

From 1959 to 1969 I watched from the stands (or sat on the bench) while Cal won 38 and lost 70. The stadium was not fullusually around 30,000 (except for Big Game, the southern Schools and an Ohio State or Notre Dame). It was glorious. We were proud to be Bears. Next year it would be better.

And we were graduating young adults.

Give Tedford credit. He spoiled us. He showed we could compete at the highest levels. We came to expect that.

And when we didn't--it hurt. We could have lived with the defeats, had we been "exceptional"exceptionally toughover achieversgutsy guys who pulled off unexpected upsetsgreat sportsmankids who graduated--the list goes on.

Now Tedford is not to blame for this (see opening paragraph). I blame the Chancellor and Sandy Barbour. They sent a terrible message when they demoted the finest program on campus, Rugby, and kept (for example) soccer. Their message was "excellence doesn't matter." They were not there to reward success. What counted was political correctness and money. It was a terrible message to send to the campus community. Tedford never should have bought into it.

(Back when we had a good relationship I asked Sandy why Rugby was demoted and not soccersame number of kids, roughly same budget. "The Directors Cup," she replied.

I can still see Ronald Regan saying on his death bed, "Rock, sometime when the team is up against it and the breaks are beating the boys, tell them to go out there with all they've got and win just one for the Directors Cup."

How stupid was I.

So Tedford followed the values of the Chancellor and ADwhat matters is money (out of state students at the expense of in state kids, professors like Barsky teaching classes like "how to photograph student demonstrations" , or classes like my daughter took where the final was making sock dolls for an Afghan Orphanage).

He was trained by them that excellence doesn't matterrevenue does.

(So if the Chancellor and Pac 12 Commissioner Larry Scott ask for a sacrificial lamb, La 'Affare Lupois occurs. Can you imagine Ray Willsey, Pete Newell, Joe Kapp, or Bruce Snider not accepting responsibility and blaming it on a 27 year old assistant coach?)

Remmber Papa Warren's favorite poem:
You don't go down with a short hard fall, you just short of shuffle along,
'till you lighten your load with the moral code and you can't tell right from wrong.


That is just Un-Cal to some of us. We were raised on the pursuit of excellenceeven if our teams lost.

That mentality permeated the campus and affected the football program. How I would have loved to have seen Tedford (and Montgomery) step up and say, "Hey, we're all Bears here. We'll cut 5% off our programs so you don't have to decimate winning programs where kids graduate (like Rugby).

But that was/is not part of the culture anymore. I doubt Brutus Hamilton, Nibs Price, or Pappy Waldorf would have allowed baseball to be axed.

But I'm a Luddite. I see the world differently than the out-of-staters running things today.

It's a new world. For some of us, that is a tragedy. From white helmets to the essence of what it means to buckle up for Cal, the program lost its way. That wasn't the coaches fault. It was ours.

We could have created an atmosphere where he would have succeeded, and due to leadership (or lack there of) from on high, we hurt a good manwho ended up hurting a storied program.
MiZery
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As always an excellent post.
JeffEarlWarren
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You know how to make a girl blush. thanks and Go Bears, J
pibbs
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Hear, hear.
old dog
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You are 100% right. Excellent post.
CAL6371
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Warren - On a side note, when I was a sophomore (1964-5) I took the Poli Sci course 109 (?) from Prof Jacobsen. A classic course - he lectured in the most beautiful prose. Who was sitting in front of me auditing the class? John Beasley, the tight end and future NFL star. How many Universities would have a te who was the size of linemen and more auditing such a class. Education obviously meant a lot to him. A rare person and a great Golden Bear.
mbBear
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I doubt highly that it will work out for Ron Rivera to be the next Cal coach, but you can't help read that eloquent post and think a QUALIFIED (ie. not just a Joe Kapp-like icon) alum would make a difference for Cal football. It is the merging of the past with the expectations of the present and future, and it is a unique shade of Blue and Gold. I wish there were more candidates, because other than Ron, there really aren't any-I'm not putting Edwards in that class.
MolecularBear007
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A wonderful read as always.
NVGolfingBear
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Beautiful work, as always.

Since I am not a Cal alum (married into my allegiance), who is going to send this to Sandy and the new Chancellor?
NYCGOBEARS
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Mr Warren,

As usual a provocative and informative read. I appreciate your love of Cal and the elegant manner in which you express it. My age and and the distance that has separated me from Berkeley has made me grow nostalgic about Cal. Thank you for your posts.
Bearacious
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Aside from JT hanging Lupoi out to dry for flop-gate, what is the other evidence that JT sold out principle for $?

That he didn't offer to cut the football program to save baseball or rugby?

There are reasons for JT's fall but I can't see that as one of them.

I'm just one of those people who don't think the old days were better. The "Afghan sock" story is hardly news of a "politically correct" avalanche of rampant easy classes.

The terminology "mick class" for "mickey mouse" suggests that there were some easy classes in the '50s and '60s, a.k.a of the "underwater basket weaving" types, as we called them.

Selective memory can glorify our youth: and make the coaches and players of today seem like a world of decline—

it's an appealing story (to our egos) but not necessarily a true one.

Enjoy your writing though.
bigcocoon007
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Wonder if some coaches would hesitate to take this job considering the a coach who had a winning record 9 out of 11 seasons and was the best we have ever had was let go coupled with negative media attention (ARodgers + Haurbaugh).
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.......Cal football's failure to pursue excellence is due to Sandy Barbour demoting rugby instead of soccer, and the message that sent. You've said as much in all yer purdy prose, but it doesn't pass the sniff test.

I guess you are too much of a luddite (not that there's anything wrong with that) to understand that these days, revenue tends to follow excellence in the world of athletics. Pursuit of the first without the second is a fool's errand, so to suppose that is what the administrators are doing is ridiculous.

I give Sandy credit for rewarding Tedford's early excellence and loyalty for as long she did. I mean, how are we "exceptional" as true Blues on the one hand, but we're as capable of getting drunk and angry at the coach when for whatever reason excellence is no longer pursued? As you said, that's what everyone does. Sandy rewarded Tedford, and kept the faith in him far longer than she should have. I like to think it's because she values many of the things we care about: loyalty, dedication, reward for excellence and hard work.

And we're different because we take pride in our kids and no one else does? Arrogance beyond belief.
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Well written and no doubt sincere -- but entirely misplaced. So let's see, when a leader goes off course and violates trusts, damages the organization and offers no excuse but continues in a hard headed downward spiral, the shareholders should be scolded for being upset? The tragedy here is in the man being unable to leverage his once respectable football acumen into the required CEO/leader responsibilities of a head coach. The further tragedy are the soft headed among us who raise up straw men (allegedly drunk alumni) and offer them up as the issue. Give me a break. What kind of bubble does one have to live in not to see how the issues in the football program have metastasized over the last several years or not to see that our student athletes (as well as our fans) deserve something better. The audacity of deals with favorite stars, repeated over and again, mocks the hard work of the many to cow-tow to the few. And this is what we get a long, self-absorbed slobberingly sentimental post about? Yikes. Give me a straight ahead guy who runs an decent program where the best players are rewarded for their efforts with playing time and I'll be a lot happier camper -- but far more important than my old sentiments are the lessons for the youngsters in the program. I'd like them to graduate (for one) and to leave with the confidence that hard work pays off and that sloth honored by favoritism is unacceptable. The last several years of our grads have been taught something else.
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CAL6371;842025610 said:

Warren - On a side note, when I was a sophomore (1964-5) I took the Poli Sci course 109 (?) from Prof Jacobsen. A classic course - he lectured in the most beautiful prose. Who was sitting in front of me auditing the class? John Beasley, the tight end and future NFL star. How many Universities would have a te who was the size of linemen and more auditing such a class. Education obviously meant a lot to him. A rare person and a great Golden Bear.


That's a great story. Cal kids (most) were proud of their education, whether they graduated or not. They were proud of playing for the Bears whether they won or not. There was glory and there was honore--even if there were never the amount of W's we all wanted. Thanks for adding to the conversation
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Bearacious;842025639 said:

Aside from JT hanging Lupoi out to dry for flop-gate, what is the other evidence that JT sold out principle for $?

That he didn't offer to cut the football program to save baseball or rugby?

There are reasons for JT's fall but I can't see that as one of them.

I'm just one of those people who don't think the old days were better. The "Afghan sock" story is hardly news of a "politically correct" avalanche of rampant easy classes.

The terminology "mick class" for "mickey mouse" suggests that there were some easy classes in the '50s and '60s, a.k.a of the "underwater basket weaving" types, as we called them.

Selective memory can glorify our youth: and make the coaches and players of today seem like a world of decline—

it's an appealing story (to our egos) but not necessarily a true one.

Enjoy your writing though.


Don't get me wrong regarding "Micks". There were many in our day. Ed 110 was our favorite because you got to grade yourself. Prof Belquist's class was a gimme for ball players and there were things called Scandanavian languages that were our equivalent of basket weaving. My memory isn't selective. We had money back then. We weren't force to prioritize as we should be doing today. I put three kids through that school. You cannot imagine the amount of waste in the form of PC classes and overwhelming number of administrators. In budget crunch time, the Micks have to be weeded out--waste is rampant--Barsky is a fraud--that's my point.
As to "Selling out" think of it as misplaced priorities. When you get a year's extension for winning 9 games--that's 2.5 mil--it brings into question the Presbyterians, Southern Utahs, Eastern Washington's et al. If you have to win to fill seats, maybe more academically questionable athletes (than usual) might find their way to the program. When pursuit of excellence and merit arn't the focus, maybe certain deserving athletes won't play for political reasons or get thrown in the "can't grasp the offense" category. Deserving men languish on the bench when excellence isn't the top priority. Once the Chancellor Dissed the fan base by cutting sports (remember it's not the cutting it was the rude way it was done) and damaged the brand, who could blame the coach for treating Alumni with disdain as well? The list is long, but thanks for adding to the conversation
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mbBear;842025623 said:

I doubt highly that it will work out for Ron Rivera to be the next Cal coach, but you can't help read that eloquent post and think a QUALIFIED (ie. not just a Joe Kapp-like icon) alum would make a difference for Cal football. It is the merging of the past with the expectations of the present and future, and it is a unique shade of Blue and Gold. I wish there were more candidates, because other than Ron, there really aren't any-I'm not putting Edwards in that class.


Would that there were men who meet your criteria. Maybe there are? Have we got a list of them?
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NYCGOBEARS;842025632 said:

Mr Warren,

As usual a provocative and informative read. I appreciate your love of Cal and the elegant manner in which you express it. My age and and the distance that has separated me from Berkeley has made me grow nostalgic about Cal. Thank you for your posts.


Glad you still love your days at Cal. I loved living in Manhattan after I got out of school. Keep the faith.
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I read the OP's post as "The decision to cast aside JT was a symptom of the same moral failing that led us to demote Rugby", and I must say that I largely agree. The Rugby program WAS excellent (still is, AFAIK), and yet financial excellence did not follow it. I think this is probably true of ANY intercollegiate sporting endeavor not called football or basketball.

And for what it's worth: I too was appalled at the lack of personal responsibility demonstrated in the 'Tosh Affair' (meaning flopping, not the sneaking out of town). Whatever happened to 'the captain of the ship' mentality that used to be so pervasive in this country? Then too, I was disappointed when JT did not take personal responsibility for the team's short-comings over the past few years. Man up -- 'cause you're taking the fall whether you stand up to it or not. The difference is one of integrity. And for a man who has only integrity to show for accomplishment -- there better be VERY few weaknesses in its face.
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BearGeorge;842025683 said:

I read the OP's post as "The decision to cast aside JT was a symptom of the same moral failing that led us to demote Rugby", and I must say that I largely agree. The Rugby program WAS excellent (still is, AFAIK), and yet financial excellence did not follow it. I think this is probably true of ANY intercollegiate sporting endeavor not called football or basketball.

And for what it's worth: I too was appalled at the lack of personal responsibility demonstrated in the 'Tosh Affair' (meaning flopping, not the sneaking out of town). Whatever happened to 'the captain of the ship' mentality that used to be so pervasive in this country? Then too, I was disappointed when JT did not take personal responsibility for the team's short-comings over the past few years. Man up -- 'cause you're taking the fall whether you stand up to it or not. The difference is one of integrity. And for a man who has only integrity to show for accomplishment -- there better be VERY few weaknesses in its face.


You can't split rugby apart from football. Without excellence in the football program, there is no rugby. Thus we get back to the inescapable conclusion that revenue follows excellence (okay, in football). As for attempting to escape responsibility for things gone wrong, I'm afraid it's part of the human condition. It's nothing new, and there have always been others who DO take responsibility for things.

I don't see moral failings here in the administration. Sorry.
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Deutsch;842025665 said:

Well written and no doubt sincere -- but entirely misplaced. So let's see, when a leader goes off course and violates trusts, damages the organization and offers no excuse but continues in a hard headed downward spiral, the shareholders should be scolded for being upset? The tragedy here is in the man being unable to leverage his once respectable football acumen into the required CEO/leader responsibilities of a head coach. The further tragedy are the soft headed among us who raise up straw men (allegedly drunk alumni) and offer them up as the issue. Give me a break. What kind of bubble does one have to live in not to see how the issues in the football program have metastasized over the last several years or not to see that our student athletes (as well as our fans) deserve something better. The audacity of deals with favorite stars, repeated over and again, mocks the hard work of the many to cow-tow to the few. And this is what we get a long, self-absorbed slobberingly sentimental post about? Yikes. Give me a straight ahead guy who runs an decent program where the best players are rewarded for their efforts with playing time and I'll be a lot happier camper -- but far more important than my old sentiments are the lessons for the youngsters in the program. I'd like them to graduate (for one) and to leave with the confidence that hard work pays off and that sloth honored by favoritism is unacceptable. The last several years of our grads have been taught something else.


Deutsch,
Where's your sense of humor? The whole bit about besotted alumni was a criticism of us and a tongue in cheek look at one of the many unintended consequences of building as new facility.
Rather than take myself so seriously (and assuming that any alumnus has any right to criticize another man and the job he's doing), I attempted to couch it in a light hearted--less sledge hammer fashion. Clearly I failed.
I think I echoed (or tried to) most everything you said in your post, but try to say it in a different fashion. I guess my soft headedness was in assuming that most alumni would get both the irony and the humor in the fact that we alumni think we know so much--even if we do. Must be wet brain. My apologies.
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We agree at least that your piece was too subtle for a teutonic type at the end of a long week. My sense of humor ebbed away as I listened to players and parents express their angst over recent years. Each classy, and not wanting to hurt the program, but unmistakably distraught at the way JT was managing.
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As always, Jeff has shared thoughtful, and painfully true factors that go beyond the dollars and cents (It USED to be "sense") whoring that, sadly, dictates our once revered and unique "Cal Spirit" influences inside the Dept. of Intercollegiate Athletics.
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Deutsch;842025940 said:

We agree at least that your piece was too subtle for a teutonic type at the end of a long week. My sense of humor ebbed away as I listened to players and parents express their angst over recent years. Each classy, and not wanting to hurt the program, but unmistakably distraught at the way JT was managing.
As much as there was humor directed towards alums (although it doesn't really apply to me -- I have always known more than the coaches without having any alcohol in my system :p ), and as much as I often appreciate the writings of Jeff Earl Warren, I didn't see anything in his piece that contributed to the fall of Tedford.

Yes, it is funny, but alcohol consumption by rich alums didn't lead to Tedford's downfall. If it didn't make sense to Sandy to get rid of him, I think her response would have been, "You guys have been drinking too much."

And I think that a huge factor is that Cal is still Cal, it still has the spirit that Jeff pines away for. A week ago, Jeff seemed to indicate he had heard the same things that a parent allegedly said about a lack of academic discipline. Grad rates were in the tank. If we are what Jeff wants us to be, then Tedford had to go, plain and simple, and not because he was duped into thinking that nothing but money mattered.

I don't think Sandy is just paying lip service to the academic side, I don't think it is total BS when she says the decision wasn't just about revenue. I don't the alums when sober would have written the checks required to get rid of Tedford if the academic side was stellar as opposed to stinky. I don't think Tedford let the academic side get to where it got because he thought that only revenue was important and academics were meaningless at Cal.

And I don't think Sandy was paying lip service to needing to do what is best for the student-athletes. Players and parents expressing angst, and the things they were expressing angst over, if it was all BS wouldn't have mattered. But I suspect Sandy found it wasn't all BS. She wasn't going to talk about that stuff at the press conference except in code that people who knew what was going on might understand -- we do what is best for the student-athlete.

With respect to rugby, I have known many people who think the advantage we have had as a result of having a varsity and not club level program is not consistent with the spirit of Cal. Even Jack Clark acknowledged that the "demotion" wasn't really going to make a monetary difference, it was going to make a recruiting difference because Cal was offering that varsity letter jacket that other rugby programs couldn't offer. If Cal was winning at rugby with a level playing field, then I would have had a problem with "demoting" rugby. Instead, rugby got "demoted" in a fashion where Cal would have to see if it could win without the unfair advantage of being a varsity program playing against club level programs, even though Cal would still have way more money for rugby than most schools. I think Sandy's response as to why rugby not soccer would have better been -- "soccer is a varsity level sport at the schools we play against, rugby is not, rugby will still have more money than the teams we play, to demote soccer would be to ruin it, to demote rugby still leaves it with an advantage over the rest of the schools we play." But regardless of whether one agrees with any of my viewpoint about rugby, it seems dead wrong to say that demoting rugby was a factor in Tedford's downfall.

And even if Monty and Tedford were willing to cut 5% of expenses for the benefit of other non-revenue sports, why should baseball have gotten the benefit, the greatest money sucking sport that Cal had? I love baseball and didn't like losing the tradition, but in terms of what was best overall for the student-athletes at Cal? I thought cutting baseball was a good move, and it forced people who really wanted it to step up when they had been sitting back refusing to step up because they assumed Cal would never cut baseball. I hardly think it was a contributor to Tedford's downfall.

Well, I don't want to rant too long here, it may show a lack of humor. Maybe you lacked a sense of humor about the drunk alums, but the substance of your critique was spot on.
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well, I meant Cal alums. I am excited about many of the names out there, but, to your point, a Cal grad has a different understanding.
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Very nicely stated. I couldn't agree more.

Cal8285;842026152 said:

As much as there was humor directed towards alums (although it doesn't really apply to me -- I have always known more than the coaches without having any alcohol in my system :p ), and as much as I often appreciate the writings of Jeff Earl Warren, I didn't see anything in his piece that contributed to the fall of Tedford.

Yes, it is funny, but alcohol consumption by rich alums didn't lead to Tedford's downfall. If it didn't make sense to Sandy to get rid of him, I think her response would have been, "You guys have been drinking too much."

And I think that a huge factor is that Cal is still Cal, it still has the spirit that Jeff pines away for. A week ago, Jeff seemed to indicate he had heard the same things that a parent allegedly said about a lack of academic discipline. Grad rates were in the tank. If we are what Jeff wants us to be, then Tedford had to go, plain and simple, and not because he was duped into thinking that nothing but money mattered.

I don't think Sandy is just paying lip service to the academic side, I don't think it is total BS when she says the decision wasn't just about revenue. I don't the alums when sober would have written the checks required to get rid of Tedford if the academic side was stellar as opposed to stinky. I don't think Tedford let the academic side get to where it got because he thought that only revenue was important and academics were meaningless at Cal.

And I don't think Sandy was paying lip service to needing to do what is best for the student-athletes. Players and parents expressing angst, and the things they were expressing angst over, if it was all BS wouldn't have mattered. But I suspect Sandy found it wasn't all BS. She wasn't going to talk about that stuff at the press conference except in code that people who knew what was going on might understand -- we do what is best for the student-athlete.

With respect to rugby, I have known many people who think the advantage we have had as a result of having a varsity and not club level program is not consistent with the spirit of Cal. Even Jack Clark acknowledged that the "demotion" wasn't really going to make a monetary difference, it was going to make a recruiting difference because Cal was offering that varsity letter jacket that other rugby programs couldn't offer. If Cal was winning at rugby with a level playing field, then I would have had a problem with "demoting" rugby. Instead, rugby got "demoted" in a fashion where Cal would have to see if it could win without the unfair advantage of being a varsity program playing against club level programs, even though Cal would still have way more money for rugby than most schools. I think Sandy's response as to why rugby not soccer would have better been -- "soccer is a varsity level sport at the schools we play against, rugby is not, rugby will still have more money than the teams we play, to demote soccer would be to ruin it, to demote rugby still leaves it with an advantage over the rest of the schools we play." But regardless of whether one agrees with any of my viewpoint about rugby, it seems dead wrong to say that demoting rugby was a factor in Tedford's downfall.

And even if Monty and Tedford were willing to cut 5% of expenses for the benefit of other non-revenue sports, why should baseball have gotten the benefit, the greatest money sucking sport that Cal had? I love baseball and didn't like losing the tradition, but in terms of what was best overall for the student-athletes at Cal? I thought cutting baseball was a good move, and it forced people who really wanted it to step up when they had been sitting back refusing to step up because they assumed Cal would never cut baseball. I hardly think it was a contributor to Tedford's downfall.

Well, I don't want to rant too long here, it may show a lack of humor. Maybe you lacked a sense of humor about the drunk alums, but the substance of your critique was spot on.
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JeffEarlWarren;842025507 said:

Coach Tedford’s story is indeed Shakespearean. He brought the Cal faithful to heights unheard of for over half a century, and then the rabble rose up and turned him out....

.....We could have created an atmosphere where he would have succeeded, and due to leadership (or lack there of) from on high, we hurt a good man—who ended up hurting a storied program.




IMO, If Tedford's story is indeed Shakespearean, then it's like Hamlet because Tedford couldn't decide whether "to be or not to be" and failed himself. It wasn't the the fault of the "rabble".

He had personal faults that did him in -- stubbornness, lack of accountability, lack of foresight, cowardice (relative speaking) or lack of bravery, unable to seize the moment during a game, possible favoritism, etc -- so it wasn't outside forces at work.

If anything, his story might be more closer to Goethe's Faust in nature and he made deals he shouldn't have made and passed on deals he actually should have made.

Don't know about the "storied program" part either. Those were the pre-Kennedy years, right?
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I love Mr. Warren's writing (I have been accused of bad things referring to him by his initials). The abbreviated version of Coach Tedford's saga:

See Ben Braun.
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bearister;842026916 said:

I love Mr. Warren's writing (I have been accused of bad things referring to him by his initials). The abbreviated version of Coach Tedford's saga:

See Ben Braun.

Bearister, ha! You learned your lesson from last time.

Reminds me of a story that Bob Saget once told me. When people ask Jon Lovitz if he's a Jew, his reply is "I'm Jew......ish". Lol
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ohsooso;842025734 said:

You can't split rugby apart from football. Without excellence in the football program, there is no rugby. Thus we get back to the inescapable conclusion that revenue follows excellence (okay, in football). As for attempting to escape responsibility for things gone wrong, I'm afraid it's part of the human condition. It's nothing new, and there have always been others who DO take responsibility for things.

I don't see moral failings here in the administration. Sorry.


The rugby program is financially self sufficient and has a strong donor base independent of football. Demoting the program had more to with a miscalculated attempt at title IX balance to compensate for the two women's teams being cut.
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In act 5, scene 2, Angus says, "Now does he [Macbeth] feel his title / Hang loose about him, like a giant's robe / Upon a dwarfish thief." This is symbolic of Macbeth's realization that the "robes" ( head coaching responsibilities) are too large for him to fill, like Tedford's baggy white poncho worn in late August through the entire season.
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We are not to blame for Jeff Tedford's failure to maintain his previous level of excellence.

Say it with me Old Blues

"We are Cal and we can have a good football team and a University that makes us proud"
"We are Cal and we can have a good football team and a University that makes us proud"
"We are Cal and we can have a good football team and a University that makes us proud"
"We are Cal and we can have a good football team and a University that makes us proud"

Keep saying it until you feel it deep down inside. Until the self-flagellating defeatism is squelched from your bones.

Go Bears!
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BeggarEd;842026951 said:

The rugby program is financially self sufficient and has a strong donor base independent of football. Demoting the program had more to with a miscalculated attempt at title IX balance to compensate for the two women's teams being cut.


That was the way I saw it too.
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BeggarEd;842026951 said:

The rugby program is financially self sufficient and has a strong donor base independent of football. Demoting the program had more to with a miscalculated attempt at title IX balance to compensate for the two women's teams being cut.


Thanks for pointing out what we have known and is generally mis-understood by many memberqs of the university community. Rugby does not depend upon football revenues.
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