OT: anyone ever try Westvleteren XII?

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stanfurdbites
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Went on sale in limited places thru out the US yesterday. Sold out in 15 minutes in San Francisco.
First (only) time ever sold outside of the Belgium abbey it is made in. $15 a bottle but the draw is it is probably the rarest beer you can get your hands on.
Fascinating history and rules around even buying it at the monastery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westvleteren_Brewery).

Just curious has anyone ever had it? Is it worth putting on the bucket list? I wasn't able to get it but I'm becoming obsessed with trying it. A 6-pack brick is currently listed for $600 on ebay!!!
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stanfurdbites;842041867 said:

Went on sale in limited places thru out the US yesterday. Sold out in 15 minutes in San Francisco.
First (only) time ever sold outside of the Belgium abbey it is made in. $15 a bottle but the draw is it is probably the rarest beer you can get your hands on.
Fascinating history and rules around even buying it at the monastery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westvleteren_Brewery).

Just curious has anyone ever had it? Is it worth putting on the bucket list? I wasn't able to get it but I'm becoming obsessed with trying it. A 6-pack brick is currently listed for $600 on ebay!!!


I did not get a pack - My brother got one and is saving one for me.
hanky1
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I have a few bottles of the gold label sitting in my fridge that I smuggled home from Belgium. Cost me 15 per bottle. People say that the closest thing to it is the St Bernadus but it tastes pretty different to me. Not as malty.


stanfurdbites;842041867 said:

Went on sale in limited places thru out the US yesterday. Sold out in 15 minutes in San Francisco.
First (only) time ever sold outside of the Belgium abbey it is made in. $15 a bottle but the draw is it is probably the rarest beer you can get your hands on.
Fascinating history and rules around even buying it at the monastery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westvleteren_Brewery).

Just curious has anyone ever had it? Is it worth putting on the bucket list? I wasn't able to get it but I'm becoming obsessed with trying it. A 6-pack brick is currently listed for $600 on ebay!!!
PtownBear1
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Hadn't heard of it, but now I'm dying to try it. If only you had posted this two days ago I would have hired a task rabbit to pick up a few bottles.
mbBear
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I am going to Cancun soon...so, $20 is good? Why would I have to smuggle it in?
Cal Panda Bear
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Speaking of beers, what are all of your opinions on the best local beer from the Bay?
hanky1
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mbBear;842041965 said:

I am going to Cancun soon...so, $20 is good? Why would I have to smuggle it in?


You don't really need to smuggle it in if you're under the customs limit. I think it's 2 liters or something like that. I was pushing it with all the bottles I bought but didn't declare anything.

8-15 euros is what it sells for per bottle outside of the monastery in Europe.

In north america it might be a little more pricey but really not that much more. $20-30 max on the open market. $600 for a six pack is absurd.
GB54
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Money grubbing monks
ColoradoBear
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hanky1;842042070 said:

You don't really need to smuggle it in if you're under the customs limit. I think it's 2 liters or something like that. I was pushing it with all the bottles I bought but didn't declare anything.

8-15 euros is what it sells for per bottle outside of the monastery in Europe.

In north america it might be a little more pricey but really not that much more. $20-30 max on the open market. $600 for a six pack is absurd.


Given the cost and time it takes to get to the abbey and get it back to the US, that means it's absolutely not prevalent in the US, $20-30 is well below market rate. There are a lot of people who will throw down $100 for a bottle just to try it... whether it's worth it is a function of who is buying. Are there lots of belgian beers in the $5-10 range that are just as good? I dunno, but they are still enjoyable.
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ColoradoBear1;842042080 said:

Given the cost and time it takes to get to the abbey and get it back to the US, that means it's absolutely not prevalent in the US, $20-30 is well below market rate. There are a lot of people who will throw down $100 for a bottle just to try it... whether it's worth it is a function of who is buying. Are there lots of belgian beers in the $5-10 range that are just as good? I dunno, but they are still enjoyable.


When I was in Belgium, one of the owners of the beer house I was shopping at told me there's an unwritten rule that you cannot price gouge bottles of Westlyveren. Not sure why....that's just how it is. Shop owners would come from all over europe to the monastery to get bottles of this stuff but sell it for only a slight premium. Actually, many of the beer shops I found that actually had this beer weren't selling it. They would just give it away for free to their best customers or at special events. I got lucky though cuz I found a place that actually sold it to me. :p

I guess $100 per bottle would make sense if you weren't observing the "rules" of Westlyveren.
running bear
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Was unaware it was on sale in the US, so thank you for bringing it up. Now I know to be on the lookout. Unfortunately work is really cutting into my beer time.

I've heard no one rave about it (several Belgians on that list), its just hard to come by.

I still want to try it, but it might just require a trip to the abbey some day (oh no!).
Big C
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Honest question for those who have had it: Describe the experience of drinking it... What does it taste like? Are you thinking it's the best beer you've ever had as it's going down?

(Once I drank some Dom Perignon champagne and once some Chateau Lafite Rothschild (sp?) red wine... I guess I was expecting something magical or... maybe it was supposed to reach down and fellatiate me or something, but what a disappointment.)
calbear289
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TotalWine in Roseville had 30 cases at 11:00 yesterday. My buddy who lives up there swung by around 4 and they were all gone. My coworker got a case so I'm going to try to buy a bottle from him.
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Big C_Cal;842042104 said:

Honest question for those who have had it: Describe the experience of drinking it... What does it taste like? Are you thinking it's the best beer you've ever had as it's going down?



No doubt it's very good. Only had it twice so I doubt I could even pick it out in a blind taste test though.

I'd guess if you went to bevmo and bought a bottle of Rochefort 10 for $7, you'd get just as good of a beer... obviously the difference in preference is up to a drinker, but it's similar style and quality. People paying $600 for a six pack have to have some disposable income and are just bored? I'd hope they'd know they difference, but probably not. It sounds like it's selling out in minutes everywhere and people are lining up hours in advance. Not sure it's worth it to me, but for someone else, maybe.

You aren't going to see it on the shelves just sitting there unless it's total luck, but a good beer store will have a lot of alternative.
AU_Bears
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Not to brag, but I enjoyed a blonde, 8, and 12 last week in Brussels. And of course I picked up a gift box yesterday in San Diego.
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GB54;842042073 said:

Money grubbing monks


When you can snatch the dollar from my hand... it will be time for you to leave.
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Big C_Cal;842042104 said:

Honest question for those who have had it: Describe the experience of drinking it... What does it taste like? Are you thinking it's the best beer you've ever had as it's going down?

(Once I drank some Dom Perignon champagne and once some Chateau Lafite Rothschild (sp?) red wine... I guess I was expecting something magical or... maybe it was supposed to reach down and fellatiate me or something, but what a disappointment.)


Bro, where you went wrong is that it is not you that is supposed to drink it.
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Cal Panda Bear;842041988 said:

Speaking of beers, what are all of your opinions on the best local beer from the Bay?


Depends on how local you want to get. 21st amendment is the best micro in the city. Anchor is a great mid/macro with unique styles. Nor Cal has some of the best breweries in Bear Republic, Russian River, Lagunitas. Those 3 alone are probably in the top 10 of American micro breweries. Not to mention plenty of smaller good ones like Moylans, Anderson Valley, or the elusive Moonlight. There's also that major micro/macro at Chico, Sierra Nevada.

Northern California one of the top brewery regions in the US, like San Diego and Oregon.
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MiltyBear;842042147 said:



Northern California one of the top brewery regions in the US, like San Diego and Oregon.


And of course Colorado! Though there are a lot of average places that get by making average beer here.
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Big C_Cal;842042104 said:


(Once I drank some Dom Perignon champagne and once some Chateau Lafite Rothschild (sp?) red wine... I guess I was expecting something magical or... maybe it was supposed to reach down and fellatiate me or something, but what a disappointment.)


You were doing it wrong... give enough Dom to a nice you lady and then she fellates you.
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MiltyBear;842042147 said:

Depends on how local you want to get. 21st amendment is the best micro in the city. Anchor is a great mid/macro with unique styles. Nor Cal has some of the best breweries in Bear Republic, Russian River, Lagunitas. Those 3 alone are probably in the top 10 of American micro breweries. Not to mention plenty of smaller good ones like Moylans, Anderson Valley, or the elusive Moonlight. There's also that major micro/macro at Chico, Sierra Nevada.

Northern California one of the top brewery regions in the US, like San Diego and Oregon.


Speakeasy > 21st Amendment

You also neglected to mention North Coast Brewing as a NorCal brewery, which imo is better than Bear Republic.
mbBear
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okay, thanks...sounds interesting!
Here in Pa. buying beer is an awful process-I will spare you the details. However, I will keep an eye out for it in Delaware and NJ(which technically is smuggling it in too)...
Cal88
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ColoradoBear1;842042080 said:

Given the cost and time it takes to get to the abbey and get it back to the US, that means it's absolutely not prevalent in the US, $20-30 is well below market rate. There are a lot of people who will throw down $100 for a bottle just to try it... whether it's worth it is a function of who is buying. Are there lots of belgian beers in the $5-10 range that are just as good? I dunno, but they are still enjoyable.


Yes, there are! mainly Rochefort, which is the best beer in the world IMO (though Westvleteren is just as good). Unlike Westvelteren, Rochefort's grey market is fairly stable. It's available at BevMo for around $7/bottle, and it is also a small craft belgian trappist that you can only purchase in small crates at the monastery.

Both breweries have a range of 3 types of ales, Rochefort comes in the 6 (reddish), 8 (dark blonde) and 10 (dark). I'm surprise to find the red currently in stock at BevMo, because it's a very rare one.

Bo's BBQ in Orinda used to carry it, along with other great beers, and it actually goes incredibly well with american BBQ, their sweetness and complexities complement each other very well.



Other trappist beers (the designation means they are crafted inside monasteries by resident monks) like Achel and Westmalle are also excellent, though I prefer Rochefort. Orval a little less, while Chimay is the redheaded stepchild trappist beer that sold out, a much bigger operation and not up to par with the other trappists though still pretty decent.

Below the trappist designation you have abbey beers, most of which are still made under the supervision of monks but not necessarily in the premises, though some are almost purely industrial. But even the bigger operations are often excellent, like Affligem, which is a lighter more neutral-tasting ale with a very nice but more understated typically belgian aftertaste.

If you were to rank the top 100 beers in the world, at least 60 would be belgian, it's just one of the country's great gifts to the world. One caveat: the belgian style is not for everyone, it's a heavier and complex ale, often with a bittersweet taste structure (a taste that you find in many french desserts).

Most wine and scotch lovers will appreciate it though. It has layers of taste and complexity that you don't find in most other ales, somewhat like great scotch, brandies or wines, due to the double and triple-fermentation process (brewed once in vats, then re-fermented in the bottle). The beers actually age well, like wine. Just like a red wine though, some of these beers go better with food, and certain types of food as well. A triple blonde like Delirium Tremens goes extremely well with an indian curry, Rochefort or other darker triples go really well with BBQ or rich stews.
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Belgians add cough syrup, chocolate or after shave to beer and charge you $10.00. These guys had them right.
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ColoradoBear1;842042129 said:

No doubt it's very good. Only had it twice so I doubt I could even pick it out in a blind taste test though.

I'd guess if you went to bevmo and bought a bottle of Rochefort 10 for $7, you'd get just as good of a beer... obviously the difference in preference is up to a drinker, but it's similar style and quality. People paying $600 for a six pack have to have some disposable income and are just bored? I'd hope they'd know they difference, but probably not. It sounds like it's selling out in minutes everywhere and people are lining up hours in advance. Not sure it's worth it to me, but for someone else, maybe.

You aren't going to see it on the shelves just sitting there unless it's total luck, but a good beer store will have a lot of alternative.


I have had two and they are very food but this man speaks the truth...Triple Karmeliet is my favorite or some Rodenbach Grand Cru...only 12-17 bucks for a magnum..
FCBear
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Also we got 36 cases/36 six packs here in Fort Collins...they go on sale tomorrow...
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Funny coincidence. I stopped by K&L Wines in Redwood City yesterday to pick up some wines. Was there just at closing and people were banging on the door repeatedly to try to get in and get the Westvleteren XII. It was long gone.

Sales clerk told me that it had been absolutely nuts all day. They had 30 palates (I think) of this and it was gone within 5 minutes. Store opens at 10:00 am and by 7:00 am there was a line around the block. He told me that for days before this they couldn't get any work done on anything since the phone was ringing off the hook. The beer was only released in a very few locations in the US - some kid in Chicago sent his mom to Redwood City to get him some.

I'm really more into higher alcohol drinks, but I regretted not showing up earlier in the day. Would have been fun to try.
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Cal88;842042170 said:

Yes, there are! mainly Rochefort, which is the best beer in the world IMO (though Westvleteren is just as good). Unlike Westvelteren, Rochefort's grey market is fairly stable. It's available at BevMo for around $7/bottle, and it is also a small craft belgian trappist that you can only purchase in small crates at the monastery.

Both breweries have a range of 3 types of ales, Rochefort comes in the 6 (reddish), 8 (dark blonde) and 10 (dark). I'm surprise to find the red currently in stock at BevMo, because it's a very rare one.

Bo's BBQ in Orinda used to carry it, along with other great beers, and it actually goes incredibly well with american BBQ, their sweetness and complexities complement each other very well.



Other trappist beers (the designation means they are crafted inside monasteries by resident monks) like Achel and Westmalle are also excellent, though I prefer Rochefort. Orval a little less, while Chimay is the redheaded stepchild trappist beer that sold out, a much bigger operation and not up to par with the other trappists though still pretty decent.

Below the trappist designation you have abbey beers, most of which are still made under the supervision of monks but not necessarily in the premises, though some are almost purely industrial. But even the bigger operations are often excellent, like Affligem, which is a lighter more neutral-tasting ale with a very nice but more understated typically belgian aftertaste.

If you were to rank the top 100 beers in the world, at least 60 would be belgian, it's just one of the country's great gifts to the world. One caveat: the belgian style is not for everyone, it's a heavier and complex ale, often with a bittersweet taste structure (a taste that you find in many french desserts).

Most wine and scotch lovers will appreciate it though. It has layers of taste and complexity that you don't find in most other ales, somewhat like great scotch, brandies or wines, due to the double and triple-fermentation process (brewed once in vats, then re-fermented in the bottle). The beers actually age well, like wine. Just like a red wine though, some of these beers go better with food, and certain types of food as well. A triple blonde like Delirium Tremens goes extremely well with an indian curry, Rochefort or other darker triples go really well with BBQ or rich stews.


Word for word, the best Belgium summary I've ever read -- agree with everything you said and a great intro. for folks looking to explore the genre. Would love to hear if you have a POV on IPAs or other American beers?
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MiltyBear;842042147 said:

Depends on how local you want to get. 21st amendment is the best micro in the city. Anchor is a great mid/macro with unique styles. Nor Cal has some of the best breweries in Bear Republic, Russian River, Lagunitas. Those 3 alone are probably in the top 10 of American micro breweries. Not to mention plenty of smaller good ones like Moylans, Anderson Valley, or the elusive Moonlight. There's also that major micro/macro at Chico, Sierra Nevada.

Northern California one of the top brewery regions in the US, like San Diego and Oregon.


Also Drakes and Linden Street in the east bay. Berkeley also has a handful of breweries the best of which is the reasonably decent Triple Rock.

I had a buddy who tried to pick up a gift pack of the Westvleteren XII at L in walnut creek, he got there at 5 and they were to go on sale at 7. Only had 40 packs and he was 41st in line :cry:

-kap
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MiltyBear;842042147 said:

Depends on how local you want to get. 21st amendment is the best micro in the city. Anchor is a great mid/macro with unique styles. Nor Cal has some of the best breweries in Bear Republic, Russian River, Lagunitas. Those 3 alone are probably in the top 10 of American micro breweries. Not to mention plenty of smaller good ones like Moylans, Anderson Valley, or the elusive Moonlight. There's also that major micro/macro at Chico, Sierra Nevada.

Northern California one of the top brewery regions in the US, like San Diego and Oregon.


Lagunitas, Bear and Russian are all amazing beers. I highly recommend going up to Healdsburg and checking out the breweries and doing the tours. Lagunitas is my favorite beer. Haven't had anything of theirs I didn't love.
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I tend to like the stuff from Lagunitas and Bear Republic... haven't really liked the 21st amendment stuff. I also enjoy Trumer Pils. Have spent way too much time at Triple Rock... friend used to be the asst brewer there and would bartend on Mondays... so sick of that place. Good thing he has moved on.

On another note, any midwest beers I should be trying? My GF goes to school in Chicago, so I tried some stuff there last week... so far have tried stuff from New Glarus (WI), Great Lakes (OH), Bells (MI), and Goose Island (IL).

I really liked the Bells Two Hearted Ale and the Great Lakes Burning River Pale Ale.

I had a couple from New Glarus but didn't taste what all the hubbubb was about, although they didn't have the Spotted Cow which is their most famous.
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grandmastapoop;842042164 said:

Speakeasy > 21st Amendment

You also neglected to mention North Coast Brewing as a NorCal brewery, which imo is better than Bear Republic.


Your personal preference, and my mentions were not meant to be exhaustive.
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mbBear;842042165 said:

okay, thanks...sounds interesting!
Here in Pa. buying beer is an awful process-I will spare you the details. However, I will keep an eye out for it in Delaware and NJ(which technically is smuggling it in too)...


Troegs and Victory are a couple of pretty good PA micros that come to mind.

Of course anytime I go to PA I must have a Yeungling, for old times sake.
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ColoradoBear1;842042155 said:

You were doing it wrong... give enough Dom to a nice you lady and then she fellates you.


Yeah, but that sh!t cost me so much I just HAD to try some myself... As I remember, the episode did NOT have that happy an ending, but I don't think that one glass I drank would've turned the tide.

Gawd, I'm glad I'm married and don't have to worry about trying to score anymore.
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Cal88;842042170 said:

Yes, there are! mainly Rochefort, which is the best beer in the world IMO (though Westvleteren is just as good). Unlike Westvelteren, Rochefort's grey market is fairly stable. It's available at BevMo for around $7/bottle, and it is also a small craft belgian trappist that you can only purchase in small crates at the monastery.

Both breweries have a range of 3 types of ales, Rochefort comes in the 6 (reddish), 8 (dark blonde) and 10 (dark). I'm surprise to find the red currently in stock at BevMo, because it's a very rare one.



Rochefort is very very good, although the BEST deal for a Belgium is something as simple as Leffe Brune. An abbey dubbel for $6.99 a 6-pack (every day price at Total Wine) is a steal. Rochefort pricing is slight above the other Belgians, with only small bottles available and $8 for the 10.

For something heavier and cost effective I would look into American Belgians. You skip the import fees and get something just as good. You can pick up a 22oz for as low as $5-6 for a trippel. Some brands to try are Green Flash Trippel, Ommegang Red, Victory Golden Monkey. One of my favorite trippels is an American, the Russian River Damnation, though it's not cheap.

Unibroue has raised their prices. Their standard 22oz. (la fin, maudite, trois pistoles, etc.) use to be around $7-8. It's gone up to $9.99 now. I guess after they got bought by InBev they had to raise their prices. InBev didn't mess with their brewing though. It's weird, Leffe is InBev also but has lowered their prices. I guess InBev is placing Leffe as an alternative to Stella for the majors market.
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