sycasey;842089098 said:

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And the tradition of the Chiefs picking up discarded 49ers QBs continues . . .

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Steve DeBerg. Joe Montana. Steve Bono. Elvis Grbac. Alex Smith. That's quite a line of succession, there.

510Bear;842089230 said:

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Steve DeBerg. Joe Montana. Steve Bono. Elvis Grbac. Alex Smith. That's quite a line of succession, there.

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Luckily, none of the above QB's were missed by the Niners. I like Alex Smith and wish him a great career but I hope that history repeats itself.

would be quite hilarious if alex starts beating up on the raiders after all their smack talk raider fans did on alex when he was with the niners

NYCGOBEARS;842089233 said:

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Luckily, none of the above QB's were missed by the Niners. I like Alex Smith and wish him a great career but I hope that history repeats itself.

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Montana did have some good years with the Chiefs, but yeah, Steve Young had better ones. Unless Kaepernick gets hurt, I suspect the Niners will not miss Smith either.

sycasey;842089243 said:

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Montana did have some good years with the Chiefs, but yeah, Steve Young had better ones. Unless Kaepernick gets hurt, I suspect the Niners will not miss Smith either.

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Man, like it was last week , I remember the heartache that Montana's trade caused and the absolute joy that came with the realization that Steve Young was the real deal. Boy, we were very fortunate to have those two HOF QB's back to back.

1. Those hoping for KA to "fall" to the Niners have not learned much from the 49er draft history. When given the opportunity to draft guys like DJax, Rodgers, Rivera, Mebane, Gonzalez, Mack, or Lynch, they have passed them by. Even quality late round players like Bishop or Marvin Jones have been shunned. History tells us that even if Allen is available, odds are good that the Niners will pass.

2. They needed to trade Smith THIS YEAR. He was under contract for only the coming season, then he would become a free agent. They stood to only receive a single compensatory pick for him walking away. As a backup QB, it would be far below a 2nd round selection (and conditional pick in 2014). Getting max value for him now and making sure he does not go to a divisional rival was important. His knowledge of the playbook and thought processes of Harbaugh / Roman are not something you want to fall into the hands of a divisional rival you must face twice each season.

NYCGOBEARS;842089247 said:

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Man, like it was last week , I remember the heartache that Montana's trade caused and the absolute joy that came with the realization that Steve Young was the real deal. Boy, we were very fortunate to have those two HOF QB's back to back.

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I know a few Chiefs fans. They're still all, "Remember the last time we won a playoff game....in 1993?"

Update on previous post: I earlier posted that the Alex Smith trade also involved a 2014 pick in the 2nd round. But since then KNBR changed that to an "undisclosed" pick. I still think it is a good trade, but how good of a trade it is I no longer can say.

On Keenan Allen going to S.F.: The main reason this won't happen has nothing to do with S.F.s prior draft history with respect to Cal. The main reason is that Allen will be drafted by New England if he somehow falls that far. There are about 4 or 5 teams that need a WR that draft ahead of S.F. That can change some with free agent signings between now and draft day but I doubt it will change enough to give the 49ers a shot at KA even if he runs a slow 40. Because I can't see ending up rated lower than 4th best WR.

Even if KA were somehow available, the 49ers need at WR is for a fast guy to stretch the field. KA is not slow but he is not in the mold of Moss in his prime. They also need WR depth, but I don't think you draft for depth in the 1st or 2nd round. The 49ers can accomplish much more by drafting someone like Corey Fuller later on in the draft and filling needs for defensive players in the earlier rounds.

IMHO the current 49er scouts and draft executives have a very sound approach to the draft. Anybody working at the level of the 49ers front office would be fired if it was found that they carried any bias against any player based on school affiliation. NFL teams simply can't afford that in order to remain competitive. To suggest that the 49ers or any other team has a preconceived bent against Cal is to disrespect the degree of professionalism necessary to operate an NFL franchise successfully. And represents a great deal of naivite regarding business practices in general.

The 49ers do have a unique approach to talent evaluation that often invites criticism initially. But recent draft choices have panned out more often than not. So expect some surprises from the 49ers. But those surprises are not a reflection of prejudice.

Ukrainian;842089280 said:

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1. Those hoping for KA to "fall" to the Niners have not learned much from the 49er draft history. When given the opportunity to draft guys like DJax, Rodgers, Rivera, Mebane, Gonzalez, Mack, or Lynch, they have passed them by. Even quality late round players like Bishop or Marvin Jones have been shunned. History tells us that even if Allen is available, odds are good that the Niners will pass.

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I can't stand this line of reasoning.

Instead of Lynch, the Niners took Willis, and they already had Gore.

Instead of reaching quite a bit for Mack, they took Crabtree who is developing into a pretty good WR. Time will tell, but I'm betting we eventually call this close enough to a wash.

I'll ignore that Mebane is a 4-3 tackle, a bad fit, and that Aubrayo Franklin was pretty solid in the middle, and just point out that instead of Mebane, the Niners ended up with Willis, Staley and Ray MacDonald in the first three rounds with a miss on Jason Hill.

I too wish they had taken Marvin Jones, but let's cool it on a guy who had 18 receptions last year.

Seeing as it took 3 years and a timely injury for Bishop to earn a starting job, I'm not sure it's safe to say that anyone saw that coming. Furthermore, if Bishop were on the Niners, he'd be their third MLB anyway.

I won't defend taking Balmer or Chilo over Jackson (or really anything the Niners did in 2008) but DeSean is and was a bad fit for the Niners and has had success due to the offensive scheme of the Eagles. Imagine DeSean trying to block on a Kaepernick run...it's not happening.

Smith over Rodgers is indefensible.

So we have one clear mistake, one breakout player that would currently be a back up, and a number of guys that don't fit the system, or were passed on for equal or superior players. I'm sure your version of things makes more sense--the Niners regularly pass on good players because they hate Cal and willfully handicap themselves--but it sure seems to me that they are making good decisions based on the players available and existing team needs.

For the record, there are several other schools that the 49ers hate. Please go inform the message boards for those programs so that they can do some insane complaining.

The Niners have zero players from:

LSU
Alabama
Florida St.
UCLA
Oklahoma
Clemson
Nebraska

And no active member of the team or recent draft pick has come from a school that Jim Harbaugh and Co clearly dislikes:

Stanford

(Worst line of reasoning ever)

Seriously though, guys. The Niner friggen HATE Cal:

http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/2/24/4023444/nfl-combine-2013-keenan-allen-49ers-meeting

(worst line of reasoning ever)

CalBearRJ;842089902 said:

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Seriously though, guys. The Niner friggen HATE Cal:

http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/2/24/4023444/nfl-combine-2013-keenan-allen-49ers-meeting

(worst line of reasoning ever)

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Well, they interviewed Rodgers and Rivera too.

CalBearRJ;842089901 said:

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I can't stand this line of reasoning.

Instead of Lynch, the Niners took Willis, and they already had Gore.

Instead of reaching quite a bit for Mack, they took Crabtree who is developing into a pretty good WR. Time will tell, but I'm betting we eventually call this close enough to a wash.

I'll ignore that Mebane is a 4-3 tackle, a bad fit, and that Aubrayo Franklin was pretty solid in the middle, and just point out that instead of Mebane, the Niners ended up with Willis, Staley and Ray MacDonald in the first three rounds with a miss on Jason Hill.

I too wish they had taken Marvin Jones, but let's cool it on a guy who had 18 receptions last year.

Seeing as it took 3 years and a timely injury for Bishop to earn a starting job, I'm not sure it's safe to say that anyone saw that coming. Furthermore, if Bishop were on the Niners, he'd be their third MLB anyway.

I won't defend taking Balmer or Chilo over Jackson (or really anything the Niners did in 2008) but DeSean is and was a bad fit for the Niners and has had success due to the offensive scheme of the Eagles. Imagine DeSean trying to block on a Kaepernick run...it's not happening.

Smith over Rodgers is indefensible.

So we have one clear mistake, one breakout player that would currently be a back up, and a number of guys that don't fit the system, or were passed on for equal or superior players. I'm sure your version of things makes more sense--the Niners regularly pass on good players because they hate Cal and willfully handicap themselves--but it sure seems to me that they are making good decisions based on the players available and existing team needs.

For the record, there are several other schools that the 49ers hate. Please go inform the message boards for those programs so that they can do some insane complaining.

The Niners have zero players from:

LSU
Alabama
Florida St.
UCLA
Oklahoma
Clemson
Nebraska

And no active member of the team or recent draft pick has come from a school that Jim Harbaugh and Co clearly dislikes:

Stanford

(Worst line of reasoning ever)

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The first one I became aware of since I became a Cal fan in the 80s was when the Niners used their #1 pick (#24 overall) in 1984 to take Todd Shell, a skinny, relatively unknown LB from BYU, instead of the consensus top LB in the draft, Cal's Ron Rivera, an All-American and our school's record holder in both tackles and tackles for a loss.

Rivera was then the second LB taken, falling to Chicago in the second round (#44 overall) where he was stuck behind Mike Singletary, one of the best MLBs of all time (foreshadowing Rodgers getting passed by the Niners and then riding the bench behind Farve).

Shell was out of the league in three years.

IMO, the "Niners hate Cal" conspiracy is right up there with the "Maynard and Allen" one. Neither makes any logical sense despite the anecdotal evidence that people keep bringing up.

calumnus;842089912 said:

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The first one I became aware of since I became a Cal fan in the 80s was when the Niners used their #1 pick (#24 overall) in 1984 to take Todd Shell, a skinny, relatively unknown LB from BYU, instead of the consensus top LB in the draft, Cal's Ron Rivera, an All-American and our school's record holder in both tackles and tackles for a loss.

Rivera was then the second LB taken, falling to Chicago in the second round (#44 overall) where he was stuck behind Mike Singletary, one of the best MLBs of all time (foreshadowing Rodgers getting passed by the Niners and then riding the bench behind Farve).

Shell was out of the league in three years.

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Hindsight = 20/20

CalBearRJ;842089901 said:

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I can't stand this line of reasoning.

Instead of Lynch, the Niners took Willis, and they already had Gore.

Instead of reaching quite a bit for Mack, they took Crabtree who is developing into a pretty good WR. Time will tell, but I'm betting we eventually call this close enough to a wash.

I'll ignore that Mebane is a 4-3 tackle, a bad fit, and that Aubrayo Franklin was pretty solid in the middle, and just point out that instead of Mebane, the Niners ended up with Willis, Staley and Ray MacDonald in the first three rounds with a miss on Jason Hill.

I too wish they had taken Marvin Jones, but let's cool it on a guy who had 18 receptions last year.

Seeing as it took 3 years and a timely injury for Bishop to earn a starting job, I'm not sure it's safe to say that anyone saw that coming. Furthermore, if Bishop were on the Niners, he'd be their third MLB anyway.

I won't defend taking Balmer or Chilo over Jackson (or really anything the Niners did in 2008) but DeSean is and was a bad fit for the Niners and has had success due to the offensive scheme of the Eagles. Imagine DeSean trying to block on a Kaepernick run...it's not happening.

Smith over Rodgers is indefensible.

So we have one clear mistake, one breakout player that would currently be a back up, and a number of guys that don't fit the system, or were passed on for equal or superior players. I'm sure your version of things makes more sense--the Niners regularly pass on good players because they hate Cal and willfully handicap themselves--but it sure seems to me that they are making good decisions based on the players available and existing team needs.

For the record, there are several other schools that the 49ers hate. Please go inform the message boards for those programs so that they can do some insane complaining.

The Niners have zero players from:

LSU
Alabama
Florida St.
UCLA
Oklahoma
Clemson
Nebraska

And no active member of the team or recent draft pick has come from a school that Jim Harbaugh and Co clearly dislikes:

Stanford

(Worst line of reasoning ever)

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Not that it takes away from your whole point, but Marvin Jones' 18 receptions is 18 more than the first round WR (AJ Jenkins) the Niners did take despite them being a team with clear WR needs and opportunities down the stretch.

calumnus;842089912 said:

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The first one I became aware of since I became a Cal fan in the 80s was when the Niners used their #1 pick (#24 overall) in 1984 to take Todd Shell, a skinny, relatively unknown LB from BYU, instead of the consensus top LB in the draft, Cal's Ron Rivera, an All-American and our school's record holder in both tackles and tackles for a loss.

Rivera was then the second LB taken, falling to Chicago in the second round (#44 overall) where he was stuck behind Mike Singletary, one of the best MLBs of all time (foreshadowing Rodgers getting passed by the Niners and then riding the bench behind Farve).

Shell was out of the league in three years.

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Seemed strange to me that the second LB taken would be #44 overall so I looked it up.

Shell was the 5th linebacker taken.

SIX more linebackers were taken after Shell, before Rivera was taken #44 (and the TWELFTH linebacker taken). The Niners weren't the only ones to pass him. This is proof of absolutely nothing, beside the fact that many teams underrated Rivera.

StillNoStanfurdium;842089921 said:

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Not that it takes away from your whole point, but Marvin Jones' 18 receptions is 18 more than the first round WR (AJ Jenkins) the Niners did take despite them being a team with clear WR needs and opportunities down the stretch.

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That's a very valid point (though it's hard to tell if Jones would have any receptions for the Niners were they to switch places) and I was really hoping the Niners would get Jones. I like him a lot, and think he might be a late round steal some day. But I once thought the same thing about this guy.

The problem with listing Jones is that it's too early to tell.

calumnus;842089912 said:

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The first one I became aware of since I became a Cal fan in the 80s was when the Niners used their #1 pick (#24 overall) in 1984 to take Todd Shell, a skinny, relatively unknown LB from BYU, instead of the consensus top LB in the draft, Cal's Ron Rivera, an All-American and our school's record holder in both tackles and tackles for a loss.

Rivera was then the second LB taken, falling to Chicago in the second round (#44 overall) where he was stuck behind Mike Singletary, one of the best MLBs of all time (foreshadowing Rodgers getting passed by the Niners and then riding the bench behind Farve).

Shell was out of the league in three years.

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I'm sure a mistake made in 1984 is by a completely different group of personnel is going to affect Harbaugh and Baalke's opinion of Keenan Allen.

But if we're going to go back that far, why stop there? Since 1967, here are the teams who have drafted the most Cal players:

Chicago - 8
Oakland - 7
Philly - 7
SAN FRANCISCO - 6

You can be upset that the Niners haven't been fortunate enough to draft studly Cal players, but blaming the Niners is silly. Saying they actively avoid Cal players is ludicrous.

PS Andre Carter

CalBearRJ;842089943 said:

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I'm sure a mistake made in 1984 is by a completely different group of personnel is going to affect Harbaugh and Baalke's opinion of Keenan Allen.

But if we're going to go back that far, why stop there? Since 1967, here are the teams who have drafted the most Cal players:

Chicago - 8
Oakland - 7
Philly - 7
SAN FRANCISCO - 6

You can be upset that the Niners haven't been fortunate enough to draft studly Cal players, but blaming the Niners is silly. Saying they actively avoid Cal players is ludicrous.

PS Andre Carter

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You are no fun at all.

grandmastapoop;842089925 said:

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Seemed strange to me that the second LB taken would be #44 overall so I looked it up.

Shell was the 5th linebacker taken.

SIX more linebackers were taken after Shell, before Rivera was taken #44 (and the TWELFTH linebacker taken). The Niners weren't the only ones to pass him. This is proof of absolutely nothing, beside the fact that many teams underrated Rivera.

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Really, five 5 linebackers in the first round? 12 by the 44th pick? All before the guy that was the All-American and is in the College Football Hall of Fame? That is bizarre and I did not remember that. I stand corrected. I just remember at the time the talk was that the Niners would take him and hoping they would.

Well hopefully, the Niners start drafting some Cal players and former Niner players and coaches start attending Cal games instead of Stanford games and speak at Haas instead of at Stanford Business School and attend our practices instead of Stanford's. Though the number that live in Palo Alto and nearby towns is almost certainly only going to increase now that they are going to have their stadium in the South Bay along with their headquarters.

After being called out for saying this draft is weak, I did more research and will agree that the draft is filled with good defensive fits for the Niners. However, I think it is more likely that if given the choice of trading this year's 1st round for a next year 1st round/picking up a solid player versus drafting a CB/DL first, the Niners will do the former instead.

As for my wish for KA to fall to the Niners, Im starting to think even if he does drop to the Niners, the Niners wont draft him in the 1st round. The Niners need a WR who can run post routes and catch the deep ball (something KNBR was talking about today). The one concern scouts have with KA is his lack of speed. He wasnt the best deep receiver. I think if KA drops to the Niners 2nd round pick, the Niners will still pass or trade down for a WR who would be a better fit. Im thinking of Tavon Austin from WVU who blew up at the Combine, and who some are saying could be the next Harvin..

But of course if that happens, fans on here are going to continue the "49ers hate Cal" conspiracy, even though KA is not the type of WR the Niners are looking for.

Steve Williams IMO is the most likely Cal player the Niners could draft.

And before I get labeled as a KA hater, I still think he'll be the first WR drafted.

biely medved;842089978 said:

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You are no fun at all.

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I know. Sorry.

Cal Panda Bear;842090206 said:

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After being called out for saying this draft is weak, I did more research and will agree that the draft is filled with good defensive fits for the Niners. However, I think it is more likely that if given the choice of trading this year's 1st round for a next year 1st round/picking up a solid player versus drafting a CB/DL first, the Niners will do the former instead.

As for my wish for KA to fall to the Niners, Im starting to think even if he does drop to the Niners, the Niners wont draft him in the 1st round. The Niners need a WR who can run post routes and catch the deep ball (something KNBR was talking about today). The one concern scouts have with KA is his lack of speed. He wasnt the best deep receiver. I think if KA drops to the Niners 2nd round pick, the Niners will still pass or trade down for a WR who would be a better fit. Im thinking of Tavon Austin from WVU who blew up at the Combine, and who some are saying could be the next Harvin..

But of course if that happens, fans on here are going to continue the "49ers hate Cal" conspiracy, even though KA is not the type of WR the Niners are looking for.

Steve Williams IMO is the most likely Cal player the Niners could draft.

And before I get labeled as a KA hater, I still think he'll be the first WR drafted.

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I actually think Allen would be a good fit for the Niners. No, he's not a burner, but a big physical guy with some speed would do well in this system. Allen can block, outmuscle defenders, and get open deep and over the middle. Plus, both he and Crabtree are fantastic with the ball in their hands. Do they need a speed guy who can run the post? Sure. But do they need to spend (more) early picks on this type of player? I don't think so. If the Niners can get Keenen Allen, I hope they do.

My bold Niners predictions: with the added cap room the Smith trade provides, they resign Goldson, sign Josh Cribbs,* and use early picks on a DL and WR, quite possibly picking Allen if he falls to them. AJ Jenkins plays a role in next year's offense, and Crabtree/Manningham/Cribbs/Jenkins/Draft Pick is a great WR core.

I would love to see what Harbaugh could do with three receiver sets that involve Crabtree, Allen, Cribbs/Jenkins and Vernon Davis on the field. The versatility of those players create infinite possibilities.

*Cribbs is the most underrated free agent WR available. He's a better returner than Ginn, a decent reciver, and the perfect player to run trick plays out of the Niners option. He's the player I want to see most in a Niners uniform.

ColoradoBear1;842089228 said:

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nnamdi might be available soon as a free agent. Eagles will cut him if he doesn't take a pay cut. Think he'd play in SF for the 8.5 million shipping off alex smith saves the 9ers?

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[COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="2"]I'm not sure that Nnamdi is the solution, as is Revis. I think there are better uses for the $8.5 Million and it involves signing a decent corner in free agency, but one that does not send the payroll over the cap. They can grab 3 in the draft to bring along. I would prefer they use the money for a stout FA DT/Nose Tackle to back up Justin or replace Sopoaga or McDonald, who are scheduled to earn $5 and $4.3 Million, respectively.

Soon, we will have to pay Navarro what he's worth. We're paying Goldson $6.9Million ... Carlos Rodgers $5.5 Million ... Akers $3.55 Million ... Ginn $1.4 Million. There are many spots to upgrade via the draft and save money. I say, "use every draft slot and flood the team with new blood and talent!!"

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/san-francisco-49ers/salary/67059?q=san-francisco-49ers
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NYCGOBEARS;842089917 said:

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Hindsight = 20/20

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Most often, HINDSIGHT is the only way we can study and interpret history. We can't really rate a draft on potential, the day after. We need to wait to see how the selected players actually pan out.