BarcaBear;842100597 said:
i was referring to comments elsewhere in the forum that have questioned his decision making. my Kline bias being what it is, I'm just curious to know what happened on the missed throws. and I was also trying to broaden the question to all the qb's. Goff is frequently said to be ahead of the curve because he is the one that has most recently played in live games and has been playing a similar system to what we are developing at Cal. so, if he is ahead, and in other practices he has done so well, then why did Goff's completions drop? same goes for Hinder's completions.
Just my opinion (I have only been to 5 practices) - seems as if on the screens and routes in the flats Kline takes a moment longer to get the ball out and/or that he is trying to 'guide' the ball more.
Perhaps that is a function of him trying to put some extra touch on the short passes. This seems evident in many of the practice drills (when it is 7-7 or 11-11 but without heavy contact).
I suppose part of it could also be learning the new way to set the offense, get the play in and the snap off as quickly as Dykes / Franklin would like the offense to work. So many factors to learning an entirely new system from play calling, tempo and execution.
On the other hand, in a limited number of drives each QB has gotten in the Scrimmages (I think Goff and Kline both have had approximately 6-7 drives between the last two Saturdays), Kline's accuracy and yards per completion are considerably higher.
Based on unoffical results I could quickly find via (so my numbers may be off 1 or 2 here or there), I believe the cumulative numbers for the 3 QB's after the two scrimmage portions are:
Kline 11-14, 224, 2 TD
Goff 18-34, 261, 4 TD
Hinder 10-18, 138, 2 TD
Again, I am acknowleding the small sample size of 'scrimmage drives' vs. ongoing practice drills. Also, I am not 100% sure if the TD's are just passing TD's or include rushing TD's (Hinder definitely had a rushing TD this past Saturday).
If the completion figures and passing yardage figures are correct though, Kline is hitting well over 70% of his passes, while Goff and Hinder are completing in the mid-50's. Kline's yards per completion is 20+ - well over Goff and Hinder's figures (roughly 14).
As for having the lowest number of pass attempts - I do not believe it has anything to do with him not getting a fair number of reps. Kline's "problem" is that on his 2 TD drives, he only threw 4 passes, completing 1 for like 97 yards two Saturday's ago, and going 2-3 for approx. 75 yards on his TD drive last Saturday. If you are rotating drives (instead of number of snaps), then his quick strike TD's will reduce the number of plays he gets.
My general 'feeling' when watching is that Goff is a little more consistent or 'on tempo', Hinder may be slipping a tad behind Goff and Kline in overall QB play but brings a strong running element to the table, and Kline seperates himself when making throws where his arm strength and accuracy allow him to fit the ball into smaller windows than Goff and/or Hinder might try and put it.
On the other hand, I don't know what is most important to the coaches, and I do not have the benefit of re-watching on film to discern if the right decision was made (regardless of result of the play) and tracking if the result of the play (good or bad) was more a product of the QB or the WR or the DB.
I know many hate coaching cliches like "gotta look at the tape and evaluate from there" - but I have a new-found respect for just how important that part of the coaching process is - and will never just assume coaches say that because they just don't want to say anything. How else can you truly evaluate the 60-80 snaps that seem to be run in every practice I've been to?
