Sat Scrimmage notes (long?)

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GoCal1
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Observations on the 3/16 spring scrimmage written on 3/12.
General: Organization of the warmups and group practices reminds me of the early Tedford years. Since spring ball has been closed to us for several years I don't know if the same detail was adhered to in the later yrs. I do recall that Stanfurd was much more organized in their pre-game warmups last season than Cal appeared to be. I always felt a team plays a lot like it warms up. Loose, sloppy warmups usually equal a sloppy effort in actual game situations.

Offense
1 Quarter backs. Seems Cal has gone from having .5 Qbs to 3 pretty much equal players. Each seems to have their good and bad points depending on what day it is. Kline continues to display that golden arm with strong, very quick release throws. Impressive. Hinder has better touch but not flashy. Goff gets it done but needs more time to become a physical presence. What I can't evaluate since I'm not that close to the players and the field is which QB is the real LEADER the team can rally around when push comes to shove. Most likely this is a two man race Kline vs Hinder. I'm also guessing we'll see both play extensively against NW on openning day. Hinder in the first Qtr, Kline in the 2nd Qtr. 2nd Half will be a toshup.
This position is a major improvement from what we've seen the last several years. (pretty easy to say that by the way)
2 - Offensive Line. Just watching some of the videos posted on this site last spring ball I thought and posted that this was going to be a disaster for Cal. Lots of posters thought this unit would improve a lot and didn't think my comments were warrented. I think this years version is better than the version I saw last spring, but there are still real problems. The left side of the OL needs work. Tag is big but will have problems with speed rushers. Needs to lose 25# and work on lateral footwork. LOG needs a LOG. OC is physically ok, but when a RS FRSH is a starter calling cadence and blocking assignments well, not good. Things are better on the right side but we'll see. Cal really needs another yr of good OL recruiting here and we'll see some results starting in 2014. Till then..
3 Offensive Backfield. With the starting rotation out I'm not thinking too much about this unit. I wouldn't hold high expectations here because of 2 above. Tough to run consistently w/o good OL play no matter what the offensive scheme is going to be. Cal seems to have found a good FB so I expect to see some wrinkles on that position showing up on the field.
4 WRs. Probably the deepest and best overall unit on the team. Cal has people that one would call "players". Bryce is even better than Brian who was the best WR Cal had when he was a frosh. The best part is Cal can rotate in lots of players here since they are going to be doing a lot of fast paced running in this offense. Fresh legs all the time. This area will be fun to watch I hope.
5 Most important position on the team. Who will be the LS? This should be fun to watch in warmups.
Defense
1 Defensive Line. This unit looks pretty good. Hopefully Cal will miss the injury bug here. Kragen reminds me a lot of (referring to his play only) Tosh. (spit 3 times). I expect this unit to be more aggressive this coming season assuming Cal gets good CB play.
2 Linebackers . Probably the second best unit on the team. Lots of speed, depth. Surprised they don't move one of these guys into the bone formation if they can catch the ball.
3 Defensive backfield. Know the old saying 'Lean & Mean'? Well this unit really is lean. Starters are good, 2nd string probably a bit too aggressive so they make some mistakes. Call is out for the 3rd string.

Now for the actual post scrimmage comments
I like the warm up where all 4 QBs throw on the same play to different receivers. There's no defense on this warm up but one can get an idea of how fast each QB reacts. I think the QBs get a lot more overall training under Sonny vs. JT.
QBs Cal has a QB, A real QB. The problem is which one is it? All have flashes and their moments and all have a hiccup as well. I did notice they ran more plays where Hindder could use his legs. My knock on him is that the ball doesn't seem to come off his hands 'live'. Kline also isn't quit as accurate as one might like and the ball seems to 'take off'. Kind of like gaining altitude when it shouldn't. Saw a nice deep throw where the WR out jumped the DB for a reception. Kline is also a bit shorter than the others and that would tend to make his throws a bit high. Goff seems the smoothest of the bunch. Maybe because he knows the system from HS. So as far as I can tell it really is a pick'em situation. If I was forced to make a decision with my arm behind my back I'd give a very, very slight edge to Goff. But really, it's that close overall to me.
Offensive backfield pretty much what I said above. Most of the plays where with Copich and Hodges. These aren't very big guys but they seem quick. They broke a few plays for nice gains but most were of the 2-4 yrd variety. The fans will like Gingold. Good FB type. I expect to see him a lot on the 'bone'/diamond' or whatever one wants to call it. Lasco played, but not in contact drills.
Offensive line comments similar to above, except Tag needs to lose only about 15#. Tyndall injured his leg it seems when Hinder sort of ran him down on a run play. Shotgun snaps could be better with a bit more velocity. Still, probably the weakest unit on the field. They did run one play with Goff? In a moving pocket. Not pretty, but nice to see anyway. This unit needs a lot of work. For the record they do look much better than what I watched last year. Grade wise..C- to C+ depending on the play call. Another area of recruiting need this fall.


WRs don't recall seeing Treggs but some of these guys look pretty good. Stephen Anderson and Whitehurst will be players to watch.

One thing to note this is spring ball which means practice time. QBs will attempt throws they wouldn't or shouldn't in a real game. Several nice plays where made into triple/quadruple coverage. Do that in a real game and a coach may pull the QB by the kohones off the field.

Defense

See comments above. Usual suspects continue to make good plays. I don't really notice any 'big dog' out there. There really isn't any one/two player(s) that really scare me. McCain not suited upso whats new there?
LS guess the man is Shepardson? Anyway the snaps get there, but could use a bit more velocity. Guess we've been spoiled for a while. Kicking game needs work.
Other notes. Cal ran a lot of silver screens around midfield. Some pretty, some ugly. Ran a 'jump' pass from the bone formation. There's something new. Hinder seems to be a good runner. Slow to get up on one play. That's one way to narrow the QB competition. The offense looks a lot smoother than what we saw the last two seasons. Cal will have a real QB. Team will be improved, but don't expect much. 5-7, 6-6 the most likely this coming season. Talk of 9-3, 8-4 is really unrealistic. Love it to happen but I'm trying to keep it real.

:beer:
SonOfCalVa
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My take ... half way through spring practice with many, many practices to go before the first game ... Dykes, et.al. know what they're doing and they evaluate daily.
Time to relax and enjoy watching the team grow and progress.
"Fan" evaluations are pretentious but often amusing.
BlueAndGold
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SonOfCalVa;842099807 said:

My take ... half way through spring practice with many, many practices to go before the first game ... Dykes, et.al. know what they're doing and they evaluate daily.
Time to relax and enjoy watching the team grow and progress.
"Fan" evaluations are pretentious but often amusing.


Well, technically, I do fan evaluations too. LOL
mechaniCAL
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As Tedford would say the D is always ahead of the O at this point of the game... I think the O-line will be fine... enough to not lose us games. I'm predicting a 7+ win season + bowl win
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GoCal1;842099800 said:

Team will be improved, but don't expect much. 5-7, 6-6 the most likely this coming season. Talk of 9-3, 8-4 is really unrealistic. Love it to happen but I'm trying to keep it real.

:beer:


This team can be good and entertaining. Anything else is gravy.

:bravo
Bobodeluxe
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SonOfCalVa;842099807 said:


"Fan" evaluations are pretentious but often amusing.


:horse
SonOfCalVa
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BlueAndGold;842099808 said:

Well, technically, I do fan evaluations too. LOL


Nah ... you give good reports and tweets and a sense of the progress being made.
BlueAndGold
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GoCal is right though, I think this is a 6, maybe 7 win team this year. OL is too much of a work in progress, although we are clearly better than last.
72CalBear
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mechaniCAL;842099809 said:

As Tedford would say the D is always ahead of the O at this point of the game... I think the O-line will be fine... enough to not lose us games. I'm predicting a 7+ win season + bowl win


Please (no sarcasm) list the 7 wins that you predict..I don't see that number..but what do we know in March??
SonOfCalVa
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mechaniCAL;842099809 said:

As Tedford would say the D is always ahead of the O at this point of the game... I think the O-line will be fine... enough to not lose us games. I'm predicting a 7+ win season + bowl win


As who would say?

I think OL will become a strength ... Yenser is all over them about pad level and footwork and they're getting it ... and we're only half-way through spring ball.

wins:
Axe will return, Curs will return to their kennel (except those in jail), and five additional seems very possible + bowl game.
Blow-out wins will replace blow-out losses.
But, we're only half-way through spring ball so "predictions" are just fantasies at this point.
mechaniCAL
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SonOfCalVa;842099829 said:

As who would say?

I think OL will become a strength ... Yenser is all over them about pad level and footwork and they're getting it ... and we're only half-way through spring ball.

wins:
Axe will return, Curs will return to their kennel (except those in jail), and five additional seems very possible + bowl game.
Blow-out wins will replace blow-out losses.
But, we're only half-way through spring ball so "predictions" are just fantasies at this point.

Sorry as 'He-who-shall-not-be-named' would say...

By wins: NW (yep!), Portland State, WSU, OSU or Zona, $C (yep finally), CU, furd

... was really tempted to say Udu(m)b too, but 50/50 on it
59bear
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You wrote your observations on 3/12? Clairvoyant?
CalBearinLA
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thanks for the writeup...very in depth.

As for which QB we'll see on opening game, I'd be really worried if we saw a rotation that involved QB A playing 1st quarter, QB B playing 2nd, QB A/B/C playing 2nd half.


Our team needs consistency, and seeing as how we still have 1/2 of spring camp to go, as well as fall camp, I'm sure we'll find name a QB by then. The only ways I see 2 QB's playing against Northwestern is if our original starter stinks it up and gets pulled or we're playing blowout fooball and the second string gets a chance
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CalBearinLA;842099845 said:

As for which QB we'll see on opening game, I'd be really worried if we saw a rotation that involved QB A playing 1st quarter, QB B playing 2nd, QB A/B/C playing 2nd half.


Our team needs consistency, and seeing as how we still have 1/2 of spring camp to go, as well as fall camp, I'm sure we'll find name a QB by then. The only ways I see 2 QB's playing against Northwestern is if our original starter stinks it up and gets pulled or we're playing blowout fooball and the second string gets a chance


I would be shocked if this was the case. I don't know why the original poster thinks this will happen, but I'd be willing to bet it will not.

Dykes doesn't strike me as the indecisive type. He may not name a starter during spring practice but he's going to name one in the summer -- my guess would be fairly early in August.
cal98
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SonOfCalVa;842099829 said:

As who would say?

I think OL will become a strength ... Yenser is all over them about pad level and footwork and they're getting it ... and we're only half-way through spring ball.




Looks like another fan evaluation
calumnus
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72CalBear;842099826 said:

Please (no sarcasm) list the 7 wins that you predict..I don't see that number..but what do we know in March??


IF I were to guess:
1. Northwestern @ Cal
2. Portland State @ Cal
3. WSU @ Cal
4. Oregon State @ Cal
5. Arizona @ Cal
6. Cal @ Colorado

Then 1 of the following 6:
Ohio State @ Cal, USC @ Cal, Cal @ UCLA, Cal @ Oregon, Cal @ UW, Cal @ Stanford.

If we knock off Ohio State and are 3-0 behind a hot first time QB and Bigelow's running heading into Oregon with lots of hype on the number of plays that will be run, points scored, etc, etc...
Hail2Calif
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72CalBear;842099826 said:

Please (no sarcasm) list the 7 wins that you predict..I don't see that number..but what do we know in March??


3-0 against WSU, Portland State and @Colorado

2-2 against @UW, UA, NW, OSU

1-4 against @UO, @UCLA, USC, tOSU, Furd

1-0 Victory in Vegas
CalBearinLA
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maxer;842099847 said:

I would be shocked if this was the case. I don't know why the original poster thinks this will happen, but I'd be willing to bet it will not.

Dykes doesn't strike me as the indecisive type. He may not name a starter during spring practice but he's going to name one in the summer -- my guess would be fairly early in August.




agree. If Portland State were our first opponent, we definitely see 2 QB's. No slight to Portland state, but it is what it is. If that were the first game, we'd see QB A play 3 quarters and QB B play 1.

Seeing as our first opponent is Northwestern, it's not a game where we can afford to be tinkering with our lineup. Dykes and co. will make a decision on their first string and roll with that 90% of the game
joethedog
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Yikes. With Tyndal down, we are now practicing with 2 RS OL and soph on first team. Lot of work ahead. What happened to Williams?
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cal98;842099854 said:

Looks like another fan evaluation


""Fan" evaluations are pretentious but often amusing."

:facepalm
SonOfCalVa
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Bobodeluxe;842099886 said:

""Fan" evaluations are pretentious but often amusing."

:facepalm


Indeed ... especially evaluations that are attempted, unsuccessfully, to be hidden and not noticed (like mine). :rollinglaugh:
freshfunk
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If there were no fan evaluations, then 99% of posts here would be OT.
GoCal1
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I wrote the evaluation early based on earlier posts here. Then went to the scrimmage for a first hand look. I've usually gone to see spring ball until JT closed it. I always found that the scrimmage [U]one week before[U]the B&G game gave a better evaluation than the final 'game'. [/U][/U] Seems Nam sort of agreed with what I saw. We really need to see this team/QBs in a real game situation to make final judgements. Both defense and offense are still in the 'learning' stage. Hard to get a good grasp of the final product for this coming season. I can say one thing...this team will be more 'fun' to watch than what we saw the last two seasons.
tommie317
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I would be expecting 5 wins if Tedford was still coach, and I really like what dykes is doing so if we only have 7 wins or less then that will be a disappointment.
SonOfCalVa
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GoCal1;842099985 said:

I wrote the evaluation early based on earlier posts here. Then went to the scrimmage for a first hand look. I've usually gone to see spring ball until JT closed it. I always found that the scrimmage [U]one week before[U]the B&G game gave a better evaluation than the final 'game'. [/U][/U] Seems Nam sort of agreed with what I saw. We really need to see this team/QBs in a real game situation to make final judgements. Both defense and offense are still in the 'learning' stage. Hard to get a good grasp of the final product for this coming season. I can say one thing...this team will be more 'fun' to watch than what we saw the last two seasons.


+1 ... speaking of fun, I'd be interested in your comments, as well as Nam's and any others who have gone to practices, on the OL AFTER a long gainer.
Those guys must be doing wind sprints to get set up for the next play. Of course in a game, they'll be waiting for the chains to move.
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GoCal1;842099985 said:

...I can say one thing...this team will be more 'fun' to watch than what we saw the last two seasons.


Let's hope so, because (other than last year's Southern Branch game and the joy of exploring AT&T and the new Memorial) there wasn't much 'fun' last two seasons.
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Like everyone who posts the spring reports, its appreciated by us who are a long ways away. If a "redshirt freshman" is talented enough to be the center and all that goes with it, so be it. I think the evolution of the O-linemen is in line with the rest of the team-I mean, even if they did under-perform last year, are they really going from a 3 win team to a 9 or 10 team win?!
I appreciate the optimism on D, but I will believe it when I see it...
SonOfCalVa
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mbBear;842100043 said:

Like everyone who posts the spring reports, its appreciated by us who are a long ways away. If a "redshirt freshman" is talented enough to be the center and all that goes with it, so be it. I think the evolution of the O-linemen is in line with the rest of the team-I mean, even if they did under-perform last year, are they really going from a 3 win team to a 9 or 10 team win?!
I appreciate the optimism on D, but I will believe it when I see it...


6 or 7 seems to be within reach with a minor bowl game.
With the huge number of juniors, 2014 could be (should be?) a 9+ win season but just speculation.
LOI day 2014 will be interesting especially with the large number of offers to out-of-state players.

It's still a long stretch to the first game.
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SonOfCalVa;842099807 said:

My take ... half way through spring practice with many, many practices to go before the first game ... Dykes, et.al. know what they're doing and they evaluate daily.
Time to relax and enjoy watching the team grow and progress.
"Fan" evaluations are pretentious but often amusing.


Why in the world do you come on a college football message board to talk about how fan evaluations are pretentious. That statement is pretentious.
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joethedog;842099877 said:

Yikes. With Tyndal down, we are now practicing with 2 RS OL and soph on first team. Lot of work ahead. What happened to Williams?


I thought I read he was getting second team snaps last week. I'm sure he's in the mix to some extent.
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Aggie Bear;842100064 said:

Why in the world do you come on a college football message board to talk about how fan evaluations are pretentious. That statement is pretentious.


+1 damn right ... but I was talking about individual player "predictions" when even the coaches don't know yet.
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atoms;842100110 said:

I thought I read he was getting second team snaps last week. I'm sure he's in the mix to some extent.


Front page article shows participation during the scrimmage yesterday. It appears that he's 3rd team but moved up to 2nd when Tyndall went down with the ankle.
GoCal1
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I don't get the sense that the pace of the scrimmage will be the same as a real game. Seemed slower since people were coming in and out of the play. The offense still has that praire dog approach which I don't like and wouldn't expect in 'live' action. The OL is currently pretty 'thin' numbers wise so all get some reps. I get the feeling Cal has 2-3 guys that really fit there and the rest are trying. Probably the biggest 'second string' group on the team at this time. The fact that so many frosh/RS Frsh/So are out there isn't a good sign.
edg64
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Why does Sonny use his 3&4 QBs as fill -in bodies to takes hard hits.
Why not the 4&5 QBs? Is this really helping Hinder and Boehm?
I will get crucified for saying this, but, injuries to Hinder and/or Boehm reduces the number of QBs available.
SonOfCalVa
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GoCal1;842100212 said:

I don't get the sense that the pace of the scrimmage will be the same as a real game. Seemed slower since people were coming in and out of the play. The offense still has that praire dog approach which I don't like and wouldn't expect in 'live' action. The OL is currently pretty 'thin' numbers wise so all get some reps. I get the feeling Cal has 2-3 guys that really fit there and the rest are trying. Probably the biggest 'second string' group on the team at this time. The fact that so many frosh/RS Frsh/So are out there isn't a good sign.


Sonny is pleased that the tempo and timing keep improving ... and a long way to go before Northwestern. The OL is improving daily. I find it interesting that there's not the typical pass blocking since the play could be a run, a keeper or a pass and the OL seems to have assignments up-field, beyond the LOS.

As to the younger players getting an opportunity to play - that's what Sonny promised and to which they're responding. They came to play football, not just stand around "waiting their turn". Sonny's uncovering guys who can play now and the coaches have said that guy's who are ready to play football will play regardless of their class "position".
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