liverflukes;842106280 said:

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My brother's good friend lost a relative in that assassination. I had to take time off work to fly back east and watch a bunch of people I only met the day before cry their eyes out.

F*ck your buddy and F*ck Colt Lyera. I look forward to your stupid assed response.

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Trust that I'm not saying I believe it was some sort of inside job. I was all bent out of shape about what happened and he showed me a bunch of different you tube videos that made me think twice. You obviously are a lot closer to the situation than me. Didn't mean to **** anybody off.

I was in NYC the weekend this happened celebrating my bday (s/o to NYCGOBEARS who hooked it up with awesome dinner reservations) and was staying with a house full of Connecticut guys, unfortunately one of them had a very real/tragic connection to this disaster. It happened.

tim94501;842106437 said:

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Trust that I'm not saying I believe it was some sort of inside job. I was all bent out of shape about what happened and he showed me a bunch of different you tube videos that made me think twice. You obviously are a lot closer to the situation than me. Didn't mean to **** anybody off.

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If you were and still are extremely skeptical it does mean that you think there's a chance that it's an inside job.

I haven't seen the videos (nor do I want to support the insanity), so I can't speak to their content or how cogent they are...but I think the very act of "thinking twice" on this suggests a degree of insensitivity and susceptibility.

Let me guess the narrative: the government either perpetrates or leverages the violence in Newtown to take guns from the "law abiding" citizens so that they can have uncontested control of the civilian population that allows them to act unchallenged as they assault the Constitution and install their liberal socialist agenda?

Unpacking the crazy in that is a waste of time, but suffice to say that many many sane and rational citizens have a different read on the Second Amendment (which is actually historically correct)--and don't see the world as a video game; the government as a future enemy; and the ability to kill as liberating, empowering, and a sacred right.

But most importantly, any attempt to recast this tragedy for political gains (as this conspiracy theory attempts to do) is an assault on reality itself and robs the parents of an authentic, socially-supported grieving process. It's cruel sociopathic behavior from the minds of people with unbelievable tolerance for cognitive dissonance. Or maybe they're just dumb.

It's the new dynamic with tight ends in the age of Gronkowski, if you are a crazy-as-hell TE you will be a top 10 draft pick.

I wouldn't put it past the NRA if they funded the videos and/or spread these conspiracy ideas. Lord knows how many posts I had on my Facebook from right wing friends who threw out the conspiracies or those right wing memes blasting gun control as if we would suddenly become victims of a genocide.

Thankfully I've been spared. That is just sad. So much energy and devotion in your life to a piece of metal...and one that destroys. Really? That is the defining ideal of your life? Not love of fellow man? Social justice? Starvation? Protecting children?

Nope. They have to make sure people can go bang bang and perpetuate the most base parts of their nature--and keep alive the hideous ideology that connects weapons with Patriotism, Freedom, and Religiosity. It's not even seen as a necessary evil, but as an instrument of righteousness.

Q: What would Jesus pack?
A: Something that makes him look and feel like a bad ass! Crosshairs and crucifixes baby!

Scab picker, read this.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/23/this-is-theblazes-point-by-point-sandy-hook-conspiracy-theory-debunk/#

Conspiracy efforts are best spent focusing on the gulf oil spill and radiation still billowing into the sea after the triple total meltdowns at fukushima.

I don't have any personal connection to those affected by the tragedy, so I'll comment purely on the issue of Lyerla himself. The guy is a headcase and an assh*le. Even a few diehard Oregon buddies of mine can attest to some of the problems he's caused on campus and particularly at parties.

Call it sour grapes, but this is the one instance where I am extremely glad Cal missed on a recruit. I'd say I'm a little more accepting than some others on here about granting some leeway to kids with some attitude problems. A freak athlete that's 6'5, 225 as a senior in HS with combine #'s like Lyerla would've made me turn a blind eye to some things. But a kid who continues to run off his mouth in public, on an extremely sensitive issue no less, and instigates arguments with members of the press....that's not immaturity, that's stupidity and psychological issues, so much so that his own school had to throw him under the bus in a press release.

My question is, how much $ does Phil Knight have to donate to shift attention away from that media sh*tstorm?

bearsandgiants;842106479 said:

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Scab picker, read this.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/23/this-is-theblazes-point-by-point-sandy-hook-conspiracy-theory-debunk/#

Conspiracy efforts are best spent focusing on the gulf oil spill and radiation still billowing into the sea after the triple total meltdowns at fukushima.

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I don't think these types of things work very well. Those who believe the conspiracy will say these are lies made up my the government and just dismiss it or at least say they don't know which one is the truth (even though one is a fact piece and the other is made up BS). Plus, just because you debunk this one, there are hundreds of other conspiracies you cannot stop dumbassses from believing.

The ones who believe conspiracies the most are usually the less educated, lowest IQ of folks who are easily robbed of their money and common sense by those manipulators who prey on them.

Cold Dead Hand with Lonesome Earl

beeasyed;842106491 said:

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I don't have any personal connection to those affected by the tragedy, so I'll comment purely on the issue of Lyerla himself. The guy is a headcase and an assh*le. Even a few diehard Oregon buddies of mine can attest to some of the problems he's caused on campus and particularly at parties.

Call it sour grapes, but this is the one instance where I am extremely glad Cal missed on a recruit. I'd say I'm a little more accepting than some others on here about granting some leeway to kids with some attitude problems. A freak athlete that's 6'5, 225 as a senior in HS with combine #'s like Lyerla would've made me turn a blind eye to some things. But a kid who continues to run off his mouth in public, on an extremely sensitive issue no less, and instigates arguments with members of the press....that's not immaturity, that's stupidity and psychological issues, so much so that his own school had to throw him under the bus in a press release.

My question is, how much $ does Phil Knight have to donate to shift attention away from that media sh*tstorm?

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This. whether he's right or wrong about it being a conspiracy, theres not a whole lot of reason to go blabbing about it. total disrespect for those affected by what happened at Newtown.

When you see somebody in Oregon wearing Oregon state gear you know they went to OSU,when you see somebody in Oregon wearing duck gear there's been a sale at Walmart. F#/k the ducks.

I can only hope that the black helicopters will come for Colt and remove his crazy ass from this planet.

Boot;842106641 said:

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When you see somebody in Oregon wearing Oregon state gear you know they went to OSU,when you see somebody in Oregon wearing duck gear there's been a sale at Walmart. F#/k the ducks.

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:bravo

ducktilldeath;842106686 said:

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There are half a million people in Washington County. Do you even know where "up there" is?

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I come from a county of nearly 1 million in California. Its still a backwater. Its unofficial motto: "Hey, we're not as bad as Bakersfield" Can you guess the county?

^ Fresno or Tulare County?

^^ or Kings County?

TiredBear;842106768 said:

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^ Fresno or Tulare County?

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Fresno. If there is a bright shiny spot in California, Fresno is not it.

Tulare or Kings don't have the population. I'd actually consider them nicer places because of this.

Boot;842106641 said:

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When you see somebody in Oregon wearing Oregon state gear you know they went to OSU,when you see somebody in Oregon wearing duck gear there's been a sale at Walmart. F#/k the ducks.

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:rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh:

blungld;842106458 said:

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But most importantly, any attempt to recast this tragedy for political gains (as this conspiracy theory attempts to do)

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As opposed to using the tragedy to try and alter the 2nd amendment?

Let's not be disingenuous.

mollydookerbear;842106855 said:

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As opposed to using the tragedy to try and alter the 2nd amendment?

Let's not be disingenuous.

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You're right, except gun control proponents are dealing with reality and gun huggers use conspiracies to validate their beliefs. But yea lets not be disingenuous.

mollydookerbear;842106855 said:

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As opposed to using the tragedy to try and alter the 2nd amendment?

Let's not be disingenuous.

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Cue the black helicopters and jack booted government thugs. Talk about disingenuous. Lets try a rational discussion of the 2nd Amendment. Nobody wants to take guns from law abiding gun owners.

mollydookerbear;842106855 said:

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As opposed to using the tragedy to try and alter the 2nd amendment?

Let's not be disingenuous.

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Please, you'll have your 2nd amendment rights and you can keep your bazooka.

Boot;842106898 said:

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Please, you'll have your 2nd amendment rights and you can keep your bazooka.

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I don't own any guns. I just don't like progressive liberal bullshit. This site if ripe with that kind of stench.

mollydookerbear;842106900 said:

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I don't own any guns. I just don't like progressive liberal bullshit. This site if ripe with that kind of stench.

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Then go to FOX.

i dont own any guns, but id have to guess that most people that commit gun violence get guns that are unlicensed and off the black market anyway, so i dont think that controlling guns is the answer. its one of those things that if passes that makes people feel better but doesnt actually accomplish anything.

gobears725;842106948 said:

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i dont own any guns, but id have to guess that most people that commit gun violence get guns that are unlicensed and off the black market anyway, so i dont think that controlling guns is the answer. its one of those things that if passes that makes people feel better but doesnt actually accomplish anything.

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Sorry, but this is an uneducated response as many guns used are license and are purchased "legally" and just because they were legally purchased still does not justify you using a semi-automatic to blow through some 5 year olds.

mollydookerbear;842106900 said:

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I don't own any guns. I just don't like progressive liberal bullshit. This site if ripe with that kind of stench.

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You find the dismissive stance of a Shady Brook conspiracy to be liberal BS?

ducktilldeath;842106921 said:

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The 2nd amendment you no longer need because the rights it was supposed to protect have already eroded?

Which is worse, patriot act or gun control?

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i would say, "way to flip this argument on its head, duck!"

but alas, the most common gun advocates i run into are those who adamantly want their guns, for no reason other than the fact that they CAN. they dont need the guns, they dont really even care about the guns, but should you try to take it away, they'll raise hell.

tommie317;842106950 said:

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Sorry, but this is an uneducated response as many guns used are license and are purchased "legally" and just because they were legally purchased still does not justify you using a semi-automatic to blow through some 5 year olds.

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not too sure where anything in my post suggests that shooting 5 year olds would be ok. I dont pretend to know a whole lot about gun violence other than from personal experience going to an inner city high school. high school kids used to carry guns, none of those guns were registered, id laugh at anyone that would think that they were, sometimes those kids wouldnt end up back at school.

It would seem to me that if someone wants to kill someone else or other people they'll just find a way to do so. the sensible thing it would seem to do is to try to identify these types early on and make sure that they get the counseling and help that they need before they go apeshit.

i feel like taking away guns is the knee jerk response. it puts a band aid on the problem when the problem really is that america has too many crazy people. im sure this is a classic response, but if you take away guns, well the person can just go make a pipe bomb. to me it doesnt get to the root of the problem

gobears725;842106960 said:

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not too sure where anything in my post suggests that shooting 5 year olds would be ok. I dont pretend to know a whole lot about gun violence other than from personal experience going to an inner city high school. high school kids used to carry guns, none of those guns were registered, id laugh at anyone that would think that they were, sometimes those kids wouldnt end up back at school.

It would seem to me that if someone wants to kill someone else or other people they'll just find a way to do so. the sensible thing it would seem to do is to try to identify these types early on and make sure that they get the counseling and help that they need before they go apeshit.

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Right it doesn't matter if guns were purchased legally or illegally, the problem is there is a large supply of guns that are used by those who like to kill other people. Let's focus on what we can do:

- Background Checks for all
- Ban Gun Shows that can't enforce this
- Mental Health Check
- Limit Gun Capacity
- Traceability of bullets by unique identification
- Liability of previous owner if guns were sold to someone that did not go through all the checks and they were used in a crime.
- Limit to # of guns that can be owned
- Limit exposure of violent games/movies/etc to those under 18

These are all common sense types of actions we can take yet are blocked by gun huggers who think newton is some conspiracy or we are on some road towards fascism/socialism. Doesn't it make you sick that we have not done one single thing after all these shootings and violence as if we should just be ok with it?

ducktilldeath;842106959 said:

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Wow, what a **** post. You seriously felt that needed to be expressed? As if he believes the contrary.

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He believes guns used in violence are illegally purchased and I'm saying not only are many of them legally purchased but they are just as deadly as illegally purchased guns as if the legality of the gun makes a complete difference as to what they are used for and what the resulting effect is. Sorry if it was too dramatic for you.


Guns used in Newtown school shooting legally purchased by suspect's mother

tommie317;842106969 said:

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Right it doesn't matter if guns were purchased legally or illegally, the problem is there is a large supply of guns that are used by those who like to kill other people. Let's focus on what we can do:

- Background Checks for all
- Ban Gun Shows that can enforce this
- Mental Health Check
- Limit Gun Capacity
- Traceability of bullets by unique identification
- Liability of previous owner if guns were sold to someone that did not go through all the checks and they were used in a crime.
- Limit to # of guns that can be owned
- Limit exposure of violent games/movies/etc to those under 18

These are all common sense types of actions we can take yet are blocked by gun huggers who think newton is some conspiracy or we are on some road towards fascism/socialism. Doesn't it make you sick that we have not done one single thing after all these shootings and violence as if we should just be ok with it?

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thats more like it tommie. i agree with some of these ways. it does make me sick, but if you also know how democracy works, everything always takes a long time. its how our system is. what happened at places like newtown and the movie theater in colorado is very saddening, but while sad, even with all of these checks, im not sure that it can stop things like this from happening, but like i said i dont own guns, so if they decide to take them away or make it tougher, its no sweat off my back.

There's always the Chris Rock approach - make bullets $1,000 each. There are 300 million guns out there so there's no way to disarm this country but that doesn't mean that we should give up on trying to provide some measure of safety to our citizens.

I recognize that many (most?) gun owners are law abiding, store their guns responsibly in safes and never have any issues, but at the same time there are plenty of unstable individuals who are able to easily get their hands on guns from less responsible gun owners, or through gun shows, or other means.

It seems to me that the pro gun lobby wants us to just accept gun violence as a consequence of living in America and use that violence as a reason to promote gun ownership so people can "protect" themselves. That and they sometimes say that the real problem is mental instability and that we need more support services - of course the same people usually aren't the type to support social programs monetarily. Perhaps we can levy a gun/bullet tax which will go to support social programs.