At least, several former players say so:


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/04/03/ncaa-football-auburn-violations-gene-chizik/2051041/

wow! college football is seriously getting out of control

SEC is so dirty.

It's funny how recruiting violator Oregon got "cheated" by NCAA rules violator Auburn in the 2011 NCG.

So, do cheaters prosper or not?

Years from now, that 2011 NCG is going to be considered one of dirtiest bowl games of all time.

Auburn's issues were well known at the time, but the NCAA chose to ignore them. and the SEC even punished Miss. St. for turning Auburn in.

At least Oregon's cheating only appeared to result in a player who didn't play (Although I presume Oregon did other things we don't know about).

RealDrew2;842109922 said:

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Auburn's issues were well known at the time, but the NCAA chose to ignore them. and the SEC even punished Miss. St. for turning Auburn in.

At least Oregon's cheating only appeared to result in a player who didn't play (Although I presume Oregon did other things we don't know about).

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Supposedly we were supposed to find out this spring. Well, it's spring and still no news about the fabled Oregon sanctions. I'm kind of curious to know what the findings will be. Most think it is minor. But how does anybody know. The NCAA has been investigating them for 2 years now. Of course, it would take the NCAA 2 years to find the laces on a football. Still, I'm guessing that Oregon has done a bit more than we know.

RealDrew2;842109922 said:

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Auburn's issues were well known at the time, but the NCAA chose to ignore them. and the SEC even punished Miss. St. for turning Auburn in.

At least Oregon's cheating only appeared to result in a player who didn't play (Although I presume Oregon did other things we don't know about).

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heartofthebear;842109928 said:

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Supposedly we were supposed to find out this spring. Well, it's spring and still no news about the fabled Oregon sanctions. I'm kind of curious to know what the findings will be. Most think it is minor. But how does anybody know. The NCAA has been investigating them for 2 years now. Of course, it would take the NCAA 2 years to find the laces on a football. Still, I'm guessing that Oregon has done a bit more than we know.

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oh, they're looking for laces ... but on a soccer ball ... a basketball in next.

They won't (but should) give them the death penalty.

Say it again, the way to get this under control is to put a cap on coaches salaries. When individuals have millions at stake some will cheat - especially when the cost is so low.

The way to do it is as we do with Title IX. Pay a FB coach more than $300,000 - no federal support (NSF, NIH, Pell, etc. etc.). Compensation contracts rewritten in a heart beat.

socaltownie;842109941 said:

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They won't (but should) give them the death penalty.

Say it again, the way to get this under control is to put a cap on coaches salaries. When individuals have millions at stake some will cheat - especially when the cost is so low.

The way to do it is as we do with Title IX. Pay a FB coach more than $300,000 - no federal support (NSF, NIH, Pell, etc. etc.). Compensation contracts rewritten in a heart beat.

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then every top coach will go to the nfl even to be an assistant. you have to be able to compete with the market value of the coaches. the quality of the game will go down considerably.

gobears725;842109942 said:

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then every top coach will go to the nfl even to be an assistant. you have to be able to compete with the market value of the coaches. the quality of the game will go down considerably.

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There are only so many NFL positions. But I don't think limiting coaching salaries is the answer.

heartofthebear;842109905 said:

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It's funny how recruiting violator Oregon got "cheated" by NCAA rules violator Auburn in the 2011 NCG.

So, do cheaters prosper or not?

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Exactly.. Bcs championship game was the battle of scumbag cheaters... Allegedly

In other news, water is wet and the sun will come up tomorrow.

Which is more pathetic, paying your players or having your paid-for players come in last place?

Mr. Triangle;842109958 said:

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Which is more pathetic, paying your players or having your paid-for players come in last place?

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im sure this happens quite a lot more than some schools want to admit

The SEC is cheating? Uh oh, some directional school or PAC 12 is about to get butt sore.

I also see that Will Muschamp, Florida's head coach who was Auburn's defensive coordinator at the time, was implicated. Good that the SEC is keeping it all in the family.

The NCAA is as corrupt and disingenuous as the schools they claim to represent and discipline. Auburn and Oregon are just window dressing examples of that system. It's all one big circle jerk.

Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. We came in last place in 2001, and we received a bowl ban the following year for academic cheating.

yeah, we got penalized ... but for a tad less than that.

Awaited NCAA reaction (with unbated breath) to see what they do with SEC and Oregon, et.al.
NCAA certainly needs to be cautious about penalties to the 'top' teams to ensure it doesn't hurt their revenue in any way.

Penalties against puny Cal is one thing.
Penalizing the Big Boys is something entirely different.

Even what $C did is small fry compared to Oregon, UNC, the SEC, Miami and they were hit big time.

heartofthebear;842109928 said:

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Supposedly we were supposed to find out this spring. Well, it's spring and still no news about the fabled Oregon sanctions. I'm kind of curious to know what the findings will be. Most think it is minor. But how does anybody know. The NCAA has been investigating them for 2 years now. Of course, it would take the NCAA 2 years to find the laces on a football. Still, I'm guessing that Oregon has done a bit more than we know.

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I think it is still to go in front of some infractions committee or something. The NCAA denied Oregon's self assessment and recommended self punishment (ie Oregon presented their findings and recommended punishment, but the NCAA disagreed and next step is a review of findings and punishment by the NCAA). At least I think that's right.

What's really amusing is that Oregon's ridiculed "12-O" t-shirts after finishing the 2010 regular season might actually be worth something after the title game is vacated.

gobears725;842109942 said:

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then every top coach will go to the nfl even to be an assistant. you have to be able to compete with the market value of the coaches. the quality of the game will go down considerably.

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BAH and idiocy (sorry but it is). How many NFL franchises? 32. At even an expanded 10 coaches per team that would be 320 coaching slots. PLENTY of labor to supply the slots at approximately 90+ D1 football schools.

The "market value" of college coaches is a function of the net created because MOST of the labor costs are severely constrained by restrictions on its movement (and its compensation). In a less constrained market coaching compensation would fall, player compensation would rise. Remember, revenue is essentially unconstrained and thus is generating what the market clearing price is.

But we are not going to get player pay in my lifetime so my answer is address the incentives which lead to corruption - the significant difference between what you can get paid to coach in one of the 3/4 power conferences and the penalties that you suffer if you get caught.

Put another way - if the worst that could happen to you was that you would get fired and might have to spend 5 years being an NFL scout and the upside was that you could make 3-4-5 million a year at an SEC school for as many years as it took for the NCAA to catch you who here WOULDN'T be tempted to give Bubba some extra spending money (and that is what is laughable because the COST of the corruption is peanut change and probably not even directly born by the principal beneficiary of securring good talent - i.e. the coach). Or, even another way, Chip the Fat man is laughing all the way to the bank about the "cost" of having paid a street agent to secure talent.

The schadenfreude here is delicious. The NCAA managed to sweep Cam Newton's situation under the rug, but now with this, I don't see how Auburn is going to be able to keep their NT. If USC has been ripped apart over something that a third party did with one of their players, they should burn Auburn down over paying their players.

socaltownie;842110126 said:

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BAH and idiocy (sorry but it is). How many NFL franchises? 32. At even an expanded 10 coaches per team that would be 320 coaching slots. PLENTY of labor to supply the slots at approximately 90+ D1 football schools.

The "market value" of college coaches is a function of the net created because MOST of the labor costs are severely constrained by restrictions on its movement (and its compensation). In a less constrained market coaching compensation would fall, player compensation would rise. Remember, revenue is essentially unconstrained and thus is generating what the market clearing price is.

But we are not going to get player pay in my lifetime so my answer is address the incentives which lead to corruption - the significant difference between what you can get paid to coach in one of the 3/4 power conferences and the penalties that you suffer if you get caught.

Put another way - if the worst that could happen to you was that you would get fired and might have to spend 5 years being an NFL scout and the upside was that you could make 3-4-5 million a year at an SEC school for as many years as it took for the NCAA to catch you who here WOULDN'T be tempted to give Bubba some extra spending money (and that is what is laughable because the COST of the corruption is peanut change and probably not even directly born by the principal beneficiary of securring good talent - i.e. the coach). Or, even another way, Chip the Fat man is laughing all the way to the bank about the "cost" of having paid a street agent to secure talent.

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the idiocy is that you cant read when i said TOP coaches. sure there will be plenty of coaching jobs, but then someone like chip would not have stayed at oregon. he would have been OC on some nfl teams, heck maybe even o line coach if he were only paid 300,000 to coach at oregon. remember the poster said limit it at 300,000. if your top guys leave, your chips(already gone), sabans, miles, meyers, brian kelleys. the quality of the game will go down if you subtract out the top 30 or so coaches that would not stay for 300,000. theres a reason why the next guys down on the totem pole are where they are, they arent as good. id expect a likely cal grad to be able to read. if youre going to sit here and start spewing out personal insults, then you might as well read the fucking post before you post a bunch of garbage yourself

This entire article / report of Auburn is garbage. Everyone quoted in the article has said they never talked to the reporter, who was fired from the NY times and Sports Illustrated.

Not saying Auburn is not scum, but the reporter is just trying to drum up some business.

gobears725;842110204 said:

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someone like chip... would have been OC... heck maybe even o line coach

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Treading warily into your flame war, and not taking a position on anyone's idiocy, I just can't imagine an NFL coaching staff with 10 giant ego's, all singing from the same page.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the game planning meeting with Line backer coach Saban, O-line coach Kelly and QB coach Tedford :p plus 7 other giants all trying to figure out how to scheme Tampa Bay... Just does not seem stable to me. I think there would be some talent left behind to coach our Bears.

Oski87;842110266 said:

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This entire article / report of Auburn is garbage. Everyone quoted in the article has said they never talked to the reporter, who was fired from the NY times and Sports Illustrated.

Not saying Auburn is not scum, but the reporter is just trying to drum up some business.

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Did you read the original article? It's really about Mike McNeil and his arrest for being involved in an armed robbery and the reaction of the school, relative to the manner in which the school protects its own. So what's more likely, that the reporter simply made the whole thing up, quotes and all, or that the players talked to her about a story concerning their buddy in which the topic of the auburn culture came up and they made quotes that implicated the program. As soon as the story is published these guys are getting threatened/pressured about going against their own family. They then start to contradict or repudiate what they are quoted as saying, even going so far to say that (one of them) was never even interviewed.

Sorry, but based on what I've seen, I think the players have a lot more incentive to get away from this and lie now than she did in making up quotes/interviews in their entirety (which is the clear conclusion if you believe these players). Sorry, that's how I see it. And the fact is, we all know that this has been happening so why now should we think that it's just a complete hit job. If she lied, I would expect some lawsuits - which of course will never happen.

Go!Bears;842110273 said:

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Treading warily into your flame war, and not taking a position on anyone's idiocy, I just can't imagine an NFL coaching staff with 10 giant ego's, all singing from the same page.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the game planning meeting with Line backer coach Saban, O-line coach Kelly and QB coach Tedford :p plus 7 other giants all trying to figure out how to scheme Tampa Bay... Just does not seem stable to me. I think there would be some talent left behind to coach our Bears.

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haha, the thing is he nfl can pretty much pay whatever they want and if they could take advantage of an college in that way, they probably would build all star staffs. not saying it always works, they try to do it with players, if they could pay it reasonably, why wouldnt they do it with coaches?

youre not going to do that now and spend 25 million on assistant coaches but with a limit at 300K, if you triple the salary thats only 5-7 million on assistant coaches. they spend that on jouneyman veteran linebackers. how many more wins would it be worth if you spent it on top notch assistant coaches that would otherwise be head coaches in the college ranks?

socaltownie;842109941 said:

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They won't (but should) give them the death penalty.

Say it again, the way to get this under control is to put a cap on coaches salaries. When individuals have millions at stake some will cheat - especially when the cost is so low.

The way to do it is as we do with Title IX. Pay a FB coach more than $300,000 - no federal support (NSF, NIH, Pell, etc. etc.). Compensation contracts rewritten in a heart beat.

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Oops! What about donors who want to contribute to the coach's salary? Coach's are not players. They are businessmen teaching football. You can't restrict the amount of money they are to receive anymore than you can change the fundamental rules of the game. As it was, Tedford was being paid $225,000 by Cal and the balance came from donors and Nike. So you have your example and there is still cheating.

blungld;842110010 said:

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The SEC is cheating? Uh oh, some directional school or PAC 12 is about to get butt sore.

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Laughed at this. If Alabama or Ohio State sneezes then Bowling Green catches a cold.

gobears725;842110286 said:

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haha, the thing is he nfl can pretty much pay whatever they want and if they could take advantage of an college in that way, they probably would build all star staffs. not saying it always works, they try to do it with players, if they could pay it reasonably, why wouldnt they do it with coaches?

youre not going to do that now and spend 25 million on assistant coaches but with a limit at 300K, if you triple the salary thats only 5-7 million on assistant coaches. they spend that on jouneyman veteran linebackers. how many more wins would it be worth if you spent it on top notch assistant coaches that would otherwise be head coaches in the college ranks?

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The pool of football coaching talent nationwide is huge. High schools, JCs, DII and DIII, NAIA schools ALL have coaches while offering relatively very low salaries. A cap of coaching salaries at the D1 level would only affect the trade-off between the NFL and college, with more coaches opting for the NFL than before (though most already prefer the NFL). D1 would not even need to raid the lower ranks to fill spots as the total number of NFL and D1 jobs would not change. All the NFL jobs are currently filled. If college guys were hired away for NFL jobs they would displace guys who are currently NFL assistants and they would then be available to be hired for college jobs. The NFL is not completely stupid, they would not throw $millions at college head coaches to make them assistants if they didn't have to.

Some things you would likely see:
1. Coaching talent at the NFL level would be somewhat better.
2. Coaching talent at the college level (especially the power conferences like the SEC) would be somewhat worse.
3. There would be a leveling of the coaching talent in the college ranks leading to more parity.
4. College programs would be more profitable. Universities would have more money for education.
5. Boosters would figure out ways to get money to coaches.

calumnus;842110305 said:

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5. Boosters would figure out ways to get money to coaches.

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so is it going to be a ncaa violation if coaches accept money under the table now instead of players? hahaha

in this scenario, the cheating really doesnt end. it just shifts the cheating towards the coaches rather than the players and the schools willing to win enough to break the rules will get the better coaches.