Oski87;842111457 said:
The difference between Cal and the Ivies is that the Ivies are at about 25% jewish admissions, and between 16% and 18% asian admissions. Cal and Cal Tech have about a 4% jewish admission level and a 40% asian admission level. In the Ivies, the Jewish kids are crowding out the asian admissions.
In the early part of the 20th century, the Ivies clearly discriminated against the Jews. Now, it seems they are clearly discriminating against asians, with an over-acceptance rate for Jewish kids. This is pretty common - the immigrants work harder than second and third generation kids, and the asian population is pretty heavily immigrant, at least in relation to the small number of elite college admission slots. It used to be that the jewish kids had higher scores, etc than the average population. However, that advantage is no longer the case, as can be seen by the admission rates at Cal and CalTech for that population.
There are some conspiracy theorists / anti - semitic folks who think there is a cabal of Jewish leaders who are allowing a higher population of jews into the Ivies. My take is that there is just a natural progression. If you are interested in Math and Science, perhaps you go to MIT, CalTech or Cal, instead of Brown. Not a big secret there. Perhaps more asian kids are better at that, and not as accomplished at literature, history, etc.
The biggest thing that I think drives this is the understanding that the Ivies drive jobs in NYC at the high end law firms and the high end finance firms. However, that is also changing. Law is changing and finance certainly is changing and somewhat moving away from NY. Plenty of venture firms in CA, etc. The world keep evolving.
Congratulations. Your post sets a new low on this board. The combination of unsubstantiated statistics, faulty logic/assumptions, and racial/religious stereotyping is amazing. I'm embarrassed you went to Cal (if you did).
I can find no source for your assertion that Jews are 4% of Cal students. As far as I can tell, UC does not break down application or admission rates by religion, but even if it did, the numbers are based on self reporting, so all of these numbers are questionable. Please feel free to provide your source if you have one.
Secondly, there is absolutely no basis for your concluding that jews are crowding out asians (or vice versa) at any particular university. Perhaps these two groups are crowding out other groups? The bottom line is that unless you know for sure there is a quota and/or have access to the admissions data, you have no data to base any conclusions on. The only argument that can be made is that if the system is not purely merit based (i.e., diversity and other considerations are at play), then the least qualified students admitted with special circumstances crowd out the more qualified ones.
Also, you might want to consider the fact that the largest concentrations of jews living in the US are found outside of California (less than 4% in CA). Is it really surprising that the elite Jewish students, most of whom live FAR outside of CA, don't apply to Cal but do apply to Ivy League schools? In contrast, CA is 13.6 % Asian which is a higher percentage than the entire country.
Unlike you, I'll provide a links which uses Census Data (self reported).
Jewish Percentage by State
http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Reports/Jewish_Population_in_the_United_States_2011.pdfAsian Percentage in CA:
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06000.htmlI won't specifically discuss the rest of your dribble regarding asians being good in math, cabals you claim not to believe in, jewish students being "over accepted" (as if you know their qualifications) and not intersted in math, etc. I will simply say that your statements and lack of logic say a lot about you and your unusual focus on only Jewish students, and not much else.
And for the record, I'm in favor of 100% merit based admissions for academic programs. If that means admitted students are 100% asian (or whatever), I'm fine with that. I would prefer that race and religion not be considered, but sadly that is not politically correct (particularly at Cal).
