As good as the Hunger Games

Long off-season, eh? Hosers need to get out and about!

beelzebear;842122895 said:

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Long off-season, eh? Hosers need to get out and about!

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Canadians paying for the sin of emotional attachment-they should know better,

This guy angered some kind of cosmic force, that's for sure:

GB54;842122889 said:

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As good as the Hunger Games

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I watched that game and man, worst 3rd period meltdown in a playoff game... Toronto lead 4-1 in the 3rd period and blew the lead and then lost in OT....for those not familiar with how hard it is to score 3 goals in a game let alone in one period, it probably is the same as blowing a 10 run lead in the 8th and 9th inning in baseball....unbelievable.

Cal_Fan2;842122914 said:

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I watched that game and man, worst 3rd period meltdown in a playoff game... Toronto lead 4-1 in the 3rd period and blew the lead and then lost in OT....for those not familiar with how hard it is to score 3 goals in a game let alone in one period, it probably is the same as blowing a 10 run lead in the 8th and 9th inning in baseball....unbelievable.

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Yeah but it took the Bruins 6 1/2 games to realize that Reimer coughs up a lot of rebounds and they have nobody at the net. So Lucic starts doing man's work and cans a rebound, Chara puts his 6 foot 7 self in front of Reimer on the equalizer and Bergeron knocks in a rebound after a scrum in front of the net for the winner

So who do you guys have, the Kings or the Sharts?

YuSeeBerkeley;842122946 said:

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So who do you guys have, the Kings or the Sharts?

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I see what you did there.

YuSeeBerkeley;842122946 said:

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So who do you guys have, the Kings or the Sharts?

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Disclaimer: I used to be a Sharks season ticket holder but couldn't stand watching them any longer.

Normally I'd pick the Kings in 5 but the Sharks have the depth and now the muscle up front to handle the Kings lines (Raffi Torres is a scumbag but a useful one) plus Larry Robinson, a good hockey man, and late of the Devils organization is with the Sharks now so maybe he learned some lessons in last year's final. I still like the Kings to win because I'm not a Niemi fan and I think the Kings defense gets the edge but expect a long series.

SHARKS go sharks

In a year where sharks not expected to challenge for cup, maybe, just maybe, this IS the year. Bruins scored 3 to tie in third in last 11 minutes. Up 4-1, 11 mins to go, game 7, oh my. Toronto sold their soul for that '67 cup. Factoid about kings - had ducks beaten dead wings, kings vs ducks playoff would have been first LA vs LA playoff of any sport. Go sharks.

Go Kings!

Kings

Clearly not the team that steam rolled through playoffs last year but seems to have woken up and found some grit against the blues.

Go kings go!

Bull$hit league call on Torres hit.

GB54;842123355 said:

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Bull$hit league call on Torres hit.

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I didn't realize that the hearing is over and a decision is out. How many games did he get?

Any word on when Havlat will be back?

Mr. Frumble;842123406 said:

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I didn't realize that the hearing is over and a decision is out. How many games did he get?

Any word on when Havlat will be back?

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I was referring to the hearing itself. Doubt he gets summoned to New York and cleared

GB54;842123414 said:

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I was referring to the hearing itself. Doubt he gets summoned to New York and cleared

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He didn't launch himself so it seemed like a bogus call. He did have a shoulder to partial head hit, but the defender was lowering his head which you shouldn't do.....he does have a hearing coming up....

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San Jose Sharks forward Raffi Torres will have a hearing with the NHL Department of Player Safety at the NHL's New York office Thursday for a hit on Jarret Stoll of the Los Angeles Kings in Game 1 of the Western Conference Semifinal series on Tuesday. He is suspended pending the outcome of the hearing.

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=670839

Given his history, I think he gets at least two games.

So no word on Havlat? He had a pretty miserable year, but had been coming on near the end of the season and has had some very good playoff runs in the past.

Mr. Frumble;842123424 said:

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Given his history, I think he gets at least two games.

So no word on Havlat? He had a pretty miserable year, but had been coming on near the end of the season and has had some very good playoff runs in the past.

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Still a mystery it would seem about Havlat.

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San Jose forward Martin Havlat will miss his fourth straight game with a lower-body injury on Tuesday when the Sharks take on the Kings in their Western Conference semifinal.

Havlat, who was injured during Game 1 of the Vancouver series, has resumed skating with the team but still isn’t ready to return.

It remains something of a mystery as to what Havlat’s injury is — all he would say is that it didn’t occur when Canucks defenseman Kevin Bieksa jabbed him between the legs.

When asked if the Czech winger could return during the Kings series, San Jose head coach Todd McLellan said “we hope so.”

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http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/14/sharks-havlat-lower-body-out-for-game-1-vs-kings/

Cal_Fan2;842123419 said:

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He didn't launch himself so it seemed like a bogus call. He did have a shoulder to partial head hit, but the defender was lowering his head which you shouldn't do.....he does have a hearing coming up....


http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=670839

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Yeah that's the way I saw it. Looked like the hit in the head was not his intent and was secondary contact. The defender had his head and shoulders at an odd angle which prevented square contact. I'm not even sure it was a penalty let alone a suspendable offense but Torres understandably has a short leash.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/22256873/raffi-torres-suspended-for-remainer-of-second-round

Torres out for the rest of the series. Go Kings Go!

Watch out Toronto. San Jose is trying to take your spot as the biggest choking dogs.

Mr. Triangle;842123575 said:

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Watch out Toronto. San Jose is trying to take your spot as the biggest choking dogs.

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Wouldn't call that choking. Toronto let 3 goals go by at even strength. Sharks take 2 unnecessary penalties for a 5 on 3 then 5 on 4. More like stupidity than choking which ticks me off since they outplayed the Kings for the most part until sometime in the 3rd period. Same old Sharks outplaying someone then making dumb ass mistakes to take them out of the game.....maddening.

Stuart's was at least understandable-the King was behind him with a shot at the net. Vlasic's blunder, though, cost them two goals-one on the 5 on 3 and then another power play on the 5 on 4.

Mr. Triangle;842123575 said:

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Watch out Toronto. San Jose is trying to take your spot as the biggest choking dogs.

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I don't watch a lot of hockey (pretty much only the playoffs), but is it normal to have a penalty called when the puck seems to have been randomly deflected into the crowd? Because on the face of it, that penalty looked like bulls*** that basically handed the Kings the game.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Guess some of that Golden State spirit is rubbing off on the Sharks .

sycasey;842123578 said:

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I don't watch a lot of hockey (pretty much only the playoffs), but is it normal to have a penalty called when the puck seems to have been randomly deflected into the crowd? Because on the face of it, that penalty looked like bulls*** that basically handed the Kings the game.

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I was out of the room and didn't catch the replay but that would be one of the delay of game penalties if......

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A defensive player in the defensive zone shoots the puck directly (without being deflected) over the glass. This penalty only applies if the player shoots it over the glass. If the puck is shot into the bench, no penalty is assessed.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay_of_game_%28ice_hockey%29

sycasey;842123578 said:

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I don't watch a lot of hockey (pretty much only the playoffs), but is it normal to have a penalty called when the puck seems to have been randomly deflected into the crowd? Because on the face of it, that penalty looked like bulls*** that basically handed the Kings the game.

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The question is whether he deliberately shot it out of the rink. I don't think he did if it was deflected but nobody seemed to want to discuss this on the broadcast.

Which is worse, being a Sharks fan or a Cal football fan? Talk about hitching your wagon to a star....

GB54;842123588 said:

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The question is whether he deliberately shot it out of the rink. I don't think he did if it was deflected but nobody seemed to want to discuss this on the broadcast.

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It really looked to me like two guys just battling for the puck and it was accidentally deflected out of bounds -- really did not look like a deliberate shot to me. Or does intent not matter? If it goes off the defender out of bounds it's an automatic penalty?

sycasey;842123595 said:

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It really looked to me like two guys just battling for the puck and it was accidentally deflected out of bounds -- really did not look like a deliberate shot to me. Or does intent not matter? If it goes off the defender out of bounds it's an automatic penalty?

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No, if it goes off the defender it should not be a penalty.

GB54;842123606 said:

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No, if it goes off the defender it should not be a penalty.

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So intent does matter. In that case I'm going to say the call was B.S. -- the Sharks defender did not deliberately shoot the puck over the glass. Really a rough call as it gave the Kings a double power play at the most critical point in the game.

sycasey;842123611 said:

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So intent does matter. In that case I'm going to say the call was B.S. -- the Sharks defender did not deliberately shoot the puck over the glass. Really a rough call as it gave the Kings a double power play at the most critical point in the game.

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Intent doesn't really matter in the case of a penalty. If a defender is trying to clear the puck and he tries to hit it against the glass so it goes down the ice but accidentally flips it over the glass, it is still delay of game whether he intentionally did it or not....in fact, most of them aren't intentional but the rule is there so play isn't stopped when defenders are getting slammed in their own zone. The thing here is that it seems to be partially deflected which would negate the penalty but the ref called it immediately and the replay didn't show it conclusively...Vlasick shouldn't have been lifting the puck that high to begin with IMO>...

Exactly. Intent doesn't matter for puck over the glass, but deflection does. I couldn't tell from replay whether puck was deflected, but evidently refs saw no deflection.

Re comparing the two collapses, the last two Bos goals against Tor were 6 on 5, which is not nearly as easy to score on as 5 on 3. Still, while the 5 on 3 goal was expected (2 man advantage for that length of time usually results in a goal), the 5 on 4 goal was weak. SJ should have been able to kill the last minute or so of the PP and get to OT.

Anyone know how the local ratings were for SJ-LA vs. GS-SA last night? In Chicago the local ratings for Hawks have been about the same as for Bulls on the nights when both teams have had playoff games the same night, and Bruins ratings have been better than Celtics ratings when both had playoff games the same night. Haven't seen data comparing Rangers to Knicks or Sharks to Warriors. (suspect Warriors higher by at least 3 to 1 factor).