... has signed with UCLA. Still unclear whether he'll be eligible next season.

Bruins did lose out on 5* 2014 QB Kyle Allen yesterday when he committed to Texas A&M.

That sucks.

Morra is killing it in recruiting.

@ChiTribHamilton: #NotreDame will not release Eddie Vanderdoes from letter of intent. School will comment.

Hope ND holds him to it and forces that dude to sit.

The Duke!;842128304 said:

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Morra is killing it in recruiting.

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Or is it Puff Dildo's kid...

We've got Mora's number. It's one of those magical things

davetdds;842128326 said:

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We've got Mora's number. It's one of those magical things

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lol

If we can somehow keep the sample size to one game, you may be right.

What's considered moving closer to home?

ESPN is saying ND won't release him so he is considered a transfer and has to sit out a year. An interesting point in the article about it says that a number of coaches around the country reached out to ND and FSU (who has a similar situation with a star LB recruit) to encourage them to not release the recruits. Apparently they feel that if these two guys are allowed to get off scott free that it can start a trend.
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/57408/vanderdoes-jilts-notre-dame-for-ucla

latest word....loses a year of eligibility. He can practice this year but cannot play.

In other words, Mora will be back in the NFL before he ever plays a down for the Bruins.

He won't be able to play as he looses a year of eligibility since ND didn't release him from his LOI.

Don't worry about UCLA. They actually have to play Washington and Oregon this year and will go .500

SonofBlue;842128349 said:

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ESPN is saying ND won't release him so he is considered a transfer and has to sit out a year. An interesting point in the article about it says that a number of coaches around the country reached out to ND and FSU (who has a similar situation with a star LB recruit) to encourage them to not release the recruits. Apparently they feel that if these two guys are allowed to get off scott free that it can start a trend.
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/57408/vanderdoes-jilts-notre-dame-for-ucla

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Kind of off topic but that is insanely unfair when coaches can bail on a school at any time for any reason. Of course, kids should commit to a school and not a coach, but we all know that doesn't happen ...

The Duke!;842128304 said:

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Morra is killing it in recruiting.

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Not sure if Cal even made the effort with the Lorig like Vanderdoss at this point. Moraga? Candidly, I think this is the type of guy JT and Lupoi would have been all over. SD really is looking at different type players. Noticed the last couple of verbals and recruits Moraga wrote-up, are generally under the radar or kids we competed with the like of Furd. They all have good grades, and academics play a big part in their decision process.

wifeisafurd;842128392 said:

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Not sure if Cal even made the effort with the Lorig like Vanderdoss at this point. Moraga? Candidly, I think this is the type of guy JT and Lupoi would have been all over. SD really is looking at different type players. Noticed the last couple of verbals and recruits Moraga wrote-up, are generally under the radar or kids we competed with the like of Furd. They all have good grades, and academics play a big part in their decision process.

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Vanderdoes had a 3.3 GPA. He qualified at ND and UCLA. I am pretty sure it wasn't a grade issue on our side.

What an indecisive drama Queen. Talk about issues....

Maybe I'm being hopeful here, but we've seen an awful lot of top high school kids flop in D.1. He sits out a year, unless his parents decide to pay in-state tuition at UCLA. Then, he has to crack the lineup. He might also change his mind before September rolls around and stay in South Bend.

The difference between coaches leaving and students transfering is that one is in a business relationship with the school, the other signs a letter of intent which theoretically prevented the school from recruiting someone else.

The Duke!;842128395 said:

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Vanderdoes had a 3.3 GPA. He qualified at ND and UCLA. I am pretty sure it wasn't a grade issue on our side.

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suggesting we are looking for [U]stable guys [/U]who are going to graduate.

as for grades: ND clearly requires good academics, though UCLA is a great pretender (see my post under the academics heading) with some real interesting numbers about UCLA football grad rates vs. UCLA's overall school grad rates (second worst in the nation)

6bear6;842128417 said:

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Maybe I'm being hopeful here, but we've seen an awful lot of top high school kids flop in D.1. He sits out a year, unless his parents decide to pay in-state tuition at UCLA. Then, he has to crack the lineup. He might also change his mind before September rolls around and stay in South Bend.

The difference between coaches leaving and students transfering is that one is in a business relationship with the school, the other signs a letter of intent which theoretically prevented the school from recruiting someone else.

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Vanderdoes is on Scholarship right now at UCLA so why would his Parents have to pay his way? Another thing is he can't "stay" in South Bend because never went, he has been in Placerville this whole time.

Captain Obvious;842128435 said:

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Dude you have no idea what you are talking about...Vanderdoes is on Scholarship right now at UCLA so why would his Parents have to pay his way? Another thing is he can't "stay" in South Bend because never went, he has been in Placerville this whole time.

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I'm pretty sure he lives in Auburn, not Placerville, but I get your point.

BearyBearyGood;842128440 said:

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I'm pretty sure he lives in Auburn, not Placerville, but I get your point.

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Good catch and also edited my post due to the beginning being very A-holeish lol Didn't mean to come off that way 6, just wanted to refute a couple of things.

wifeisafurd;842128419 said:

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suggesting we are looking for [U]stable guys [/U]who are going to graduate.

as for grades: ND clearly requires good academics, though UCLA is a great pretender (see my post under the academics heading) with some real interesting numbers about UCLA football grad rates vs. UCLA's overall school grad rates (second worst in the nation)

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I applaud the creative thought process, but I really hope we don't turn into the sort of board that UCLA had under Neuheisal -- questioning the academic credentials of any top recruit that doesn't choose Cal. For whatever reason, this kid chose to go somewhere else. Too bad for him. Let's move on.

Most reports indicate that ND will NOT release V from his LOI which to my understanding means he has to sit out this year and only has 4 to play 3. Also I'm pretty sure he isn't on scholly this year at UCLA.

And as for him not wanting to come to Cal...as much as he is local and a legacy it certainly never seemed like Cal was a place he was ever really interested in during the recruiting cycle.

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Most reports indicate that ND will NOT release V from his LOI which to my understanding means he has to sit out this year and only has 4 to play 3. Also I'm pretty sure he isn't on scholly this year at UCLA.

And as for him not wanting to come to Cal...as much as he is local and a legacy it certainly never seemed like Cal was a place he was ever really interested in during the recruiting cycle.

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There is 2 other forms you can sign as an Athlete in the NCAA that will get everything paid for, a Scholarship Agreement and a Grant-in-Aid. Vanderdoes has signed an Grant-in-Aid which also puts you on Scholarship but it only bounds the school not the Athlete. You can only sign one Letter of Intent in your lifetime so bouncebacks who sign with a school but have to leave the D-1 school to go the JC route sign the alternate options all the time.

He'll still have 4 to play 4 after practicing at Ucla this year, unless ND has a change of heart and releases him from the LOI and he plays. I'm sure in his mind none of that even matters though because I'm sure he thinks he'll be gone to the NFL after playing 2 seasons.

No, he loses a year of eligibility, so he can only play 3 years. With his talent, he'll mostly likely be in the NFL after 2. So we will only have to face him for 2 seasons.

Yes he loses a year, but everyone starts with 5 to play 4. He shouldn't lose a playing year unless he plays. Maybe there's some special rule in force here that I'm not aware of? It's basically no different than a regular redshirt year unless I'm mistaken, it's just being executed in a very irregular way.

OldBlue1999;842128599 said:

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Yes he loses a year, but everyone starts with 5 to play 4. He shouldn't lose a playing year unless he plays. Maybe there's some special rule in force here that I'm not aware of? It's basically no different than a regular redshirt year unless I'm mistaken, it's just being executed in a very irregular way.

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No, it's different than a redshirt. He'll lose a year of eligibility period. That means he'll have 4 years to play 3, rather than 5 years to play 4.

OldBlue1999;842128599 said:

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Yes he loses a year, but everyone starts with 5 to play 4. He shouldn't lose a playing year unless he plays. Maybe there's some special rule in force here that I'm not aware of? It's basically no different than a regular redshirt year unless I'm mistaken, it's just being executed in a very irregular way.

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That's incorrect. Because ND didn't release him from his LOI, he loses a year of eligibility (a player starts with 4 years of eligibility, now he has 3). So he has 4 years to play 3. I'm guessing he'll bolt for the NFL before his final year of eligibility, so I think we only see him on the field against us twice.

For those interested, the NLI penalties and procedures are spelled out here:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/nli/nli/frequently+asked+questions/index.html

Simply put, it's not considered a transfer, so any player can receive an athletic scholarship and practice at another institution, but if the original institution doesn't release the player, they lose a year of playing eligibility (in all sports too) and can't play in year one. There is an appeal process, but who knows if they are ever lenient? Not even sure 'they' is the NCAA in this case?

Also of note, since the Ivy League doesn't grant athletic scholarships, they cannot participate in the NLI program. So with that true, a player can go to the Ivy League and compete in that first year.

That's pretty harsh. Thanks for the info guys.

I'm curious how a school can recruit him while he's signed a LOI?

Well technically they can't. But obviously somehow some sort of communication is going on

stanfurdbites;842128369 said:

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Kind of off topic but that is insanely unfair when coaches can bail on a school at any time for any reason. Of course, kids should commit to a school and not a coach, but we all know that doesn't happen ...

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Agree. Not only can a coach bail on you at any time, coaches/programs literally have all the control while players have none.

Wes Lunt, who started at QB for Oklahoma State last season but was looking like he would not be in the Cowboys future plans as anything more than a back up, decided to transfer. Not only does he have to sit out a year, but Mike Gundy and Okie State blocked him from transferring to 37 schools.

Here's what OU coach Bob Stoops said about Lunt's transfer today...

“It isn’t right that they can just do what they want to do,” Stoops said. “It isn’t good. I don’t believe in it.”

“Nobody made them sign with me. I didn’t force them to, it was what they wanted to do. And because we’re limited in what we’re allowed per scholarship, it’s the right thing to have consequences, otherwise you’d have kids changing their mind every year. It’s not right,” he said.

So basically a coach can bail on his team at any time for a better gig but kids should honor commitments.