ESPN says both NWU and Ohio State are overrated

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LawoftheBear
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This is an interesting article. I hope, if the Cal players read it, they realize that they are still underdogs to these overrated teams and I hope they take it as motivation to work harder for the victory that might be within reach. A few times in the past few years when we thought we were going up against an overrated team, we have been beaten soundly and humbled by the "overrated" foes.


http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation[/URL]
Buckeyes and Wildcats overvalued?
By Brian Bennett | ESPN.com

This week, we told you that ESPN.com stats guru Brad Edwards picked Wisconsin as one of five teams that was better than its 2012 record and therefore looks like a sleeper pick in 2013.

Edwards has also gone the opposite route in identifying five teams that he thinks were worse than their record indicated last season , and his list includes two Big Ten double-digit win teams from 2012: Ohio State and Northwestern.

He is once again using an advanced metric called Extra Points Added that also accounts for the strength of each team's opponents. The Buckeyes and Wildcats were teams that played above their stat lines. That doesn't necessarily mean they will backslide in 2013, but Edwards says they will likely have to play better than they did last season to equal or surpass their win total.

Of Ohio State, he writes:

"EPA numbers tell us that Ohio State was not only a notch below fellow regular-season unbeaten Notre Dame in 2012, but the Buckeyes weren't even close to being a top-10 team. OSU did not rank in the top 20 of adjusted EPA for offense, defense or special teams. Considering that Ohio State won half of its games by seven points or fewer -- and that four of those narrow victories were against teams that didn't have a winning regular-season record -- this shouldn't be all that surprising."

And of Northwestern:

"Northwestern didn't play a single team ranked in the final top 20 of adjusted net EPA, and the Wildcats went 2-3 against teams ranked in the 21-40 range. From an EPA standpoint, Northwestern was just above average in all three phases of the game. Perhaps the larger mistake made by the voters last season was assuming the Big Ten was on a level similar to that of the Big 12 and Pac-12. According to EPA, it was not. The Wildcats were the sixth-ranked Big Ten team in adjusted net EPA and ranked around 40th in the nation. The sixth-ranked teams from the Big 12 and Pac-12 ranked around 20th."

Hmm. Well, you could certainly argue that Ohio State was not a dominant team last season, despite its 12-0 record. The Buckeyes struggled defensively in the first half of the season, needed big plays late to put away a mediocre Cal squad at home, and held off Indiana 52-49. They also needed a miracle to beat Purdue in overtime at home, won in overtime at Wisconsin, and squeaked by Michigan State on the road by a single point.

But what the numbers can't possibly show was the grit of last season's Buckeyes team, or its knack for making winning plays, especially by guys like Braxton Miller, John Simon and Ryan Shazier. With the exception of the Purdue game, none of their victories really seemed fluky.

It's also not surprising that the numbers don't love Northwestern, whose statistics in most areas from last season won't overwhelm you. Yet the Wildcats were in every single game and had a chance to go undefeated if more things went right for them in the fourth quarter. Nebraska and Michigan needed epic comebacks to beat Pat Fitzgerald's team, and Northwestern convincingly dispatched Mississippi State in the Gator Bowl.

The argument about the strength of the Big Ten is debatable, though the league is a little light in evidence to prove it wrong right now. Still, both teams don't face a ranked opponent in the nonconference schedule this year -- and share a same foe in Cal -- and will have their toughest games in the league. Northwestern's biggest concern is a schedule that includes crossover games against Wisconsin and Ohio State, and a three-game stretch where it plays at Nebraska and vs. Michigan and Michigan State in November. The Buckeyes lose some great leaders off last season's team, but still have the talent and schedule to be just as good. It's just hard to go undefeated once, much less twice in a row, no matter what the numbers say.
SonOfCalVa
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" ... <tOSU> needed big plays late to put away a mediocre Cal squad at home"

mediocre? 5-7 wins is mediocre.
The writer was being very generous to us.
3-9 with huge blowout losses ranks as poor, at best.

BUT, last year is history.

ykes

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NYCGOBEARS
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SonOfCalVa;842129305 said:

" ... <tOSU> needed big plays late to put away a mediocre Cal squad at home"

mediocre? 5-7 wins is mediocre.
The writer was being very generous to us.
3-9 with huge blowout losses ranks as poor, at best.

BUT, last year is history.

The writer was being generous to us. I agree with his argument though.
burritos
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From a Cal standpoint, I don't know if this article is a good thing. Seems like it would be good bulletin board material for the bucks and the cats.
mbBear
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Good reading and all that, but I don't think the question is how good are Cal opponents, but rather how good is Cal. If the team is no better than mediocre, then OSU and NW don't have to be BCS Championship game material to win. And with a new coach, new QB, etc. even if Cal is a pretty decent team, is that something that is more to be shown in game 5 vs. game 1 or 3, just from a maturation process.
The "x" factor to me(little "x" because its not the be all/end all) is how much of a home field advantage will Cal be able to exploit? Do fans show up for one, but more to my point-NW returns a lot of players, and they have experience at a lot tougher places than Strawberry Canyon, including the Big House last year.
BearNIt
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Although ESPN article says that Ohio St. and Northwestern are overrated, that hasn't stop ESPN from claiming Ohio St is #1 and Northwestern is #24 in the Top 25.

Questions regarding new QB, 2 Top RBs coming off of surgery, D-line depth and an O-line's consistency must answered in week 1 and week 3.
beelzebear
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Overrated yet in all likelihood, both teams are still better than Cal at this point. Common sense says so given Cal has;

a) new HC
b) new offense and defense
c) no starting QB yet
d) no QBs with any D1 game experience

That said, I like to think Cal has a chance against NU since it's a night game at home. I'm pulling for Dykes to bring it.
kelly09
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beelzebear;842129352 said:

Overrated yet in all likelihood, both teams are still better than Cal at this point. Common sense says so given Cal has;

a) new HC
b) new offense and defense
c) no starting QB yet
d) no QBs with any D1 game experience

That said, I like to think Cal has a chance against NU since it's a night game at home. I'm pulling for Dykes to bring it.


All of the reasons that you think bodes badly against the Bears are exactly the reasons I think will give them wins against NW and tOSU.
ayetee11
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beelzebear;842129352 said:

Overrated yet in all likelihood, both teams are still better than Cal at this point. Common sense says so given Cal has;

a) new HC
b) new offense and defense
c) no starting QB yet
d) no QBs with any D1 game experience

That said, I like to think Cal has a chance against NU since it's a night game at home. I'm pulling for Dykes to bring it.


Ohio State had 2 of the 4 last year
beelzebear
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You guys missed the part where I wrote: "at this point", meaning right now, June 8th, before fall camp has even started, 84 days away from the NU game.

I sure hope NU and tOSU are overrated and Cal rolls them but right now they ARE better. Doesn't mean we can't improve or win either game. Just right now is very, very, very early for what is basically a new untested team with a new HC and QB, new offense and defense.

I'm pulling for Cal. I have season tickets. I want to see wins...I'm just approaching things with caution, like most long term Cal fans.
mbBear
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well, there isn't necessarily any continuity between the person who did the article and those who vote in the poll....
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