Well, at least DirecTV acknowledges the Pac-12 Networks exist now. They were so mad before, they took down any mention. Maybe this means the two sides are negotiating again. Go Lydia.

"Pac 12 Update
Pac 12 continues to cling to its 'all or nothing' strategy, insisting that every one of our customers foot the bill for the network when only a fraction of them have expressed any interest in the network at all. The fact is, we want fans of the Pac 12 to see every game on DIRECTV, which is why we've asked the conference to let us offer the network to those who want to pay for it. Where pricey sports networks are concerned, we believe our customers should have the opportunity to choose and get the best value for their money. We can reach an agreement quickly if Pac 12 is willing to give customers that choice at a reasonable price."

http://directvpromise.com/no-fan-should-be-sidelined/

youngbear1992;842142362 said:

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Well, at least DirecTV acknowledges the Pac-12 Networks exist now. They were so mad before, they took down any mention. Maybe this means the two sides are negotiating again. Go Lydia.

"Pac 12 Update
Pac 12 continues to cling to its ‘all or nothing’ strategy, insisting that every one of our customers foot the bill for the network when only a fraction of them have expressed any interest in the network at all. The fact is, we want fans of the Pac 12 to see every game on DIRECTV, which is why we’ve asked the conference to let us offer the network to those who want to pay for it. Where pricey sports networks are concerned, we believe our customers should have the opportunity to choose and get the best value for their money. We can reach an agreement quickly if Pac 12 is willing to give customers that choice at a reasonable price."

http://directvpromise.com/no-fan-should-be-sidelined/

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I'm sure there will be a compromise at some point. But I am so glad I switched over to Time Warner. Not because I like it, because it sucks. The technology is old, and the receivers are clunky and unresponsive. However, I get the Pac-12 Network and I also have a lot of local programming I did not have. It would have sucked to scramble and find Cal football or basketball somewhere each week. It was worth moving to a less superior product, for the programming (which is always the ultimate thing). I would still feel very uncomfortable about the DirecTV situation if I were still a subscriber. Another season could be compromised. Bad move DTV.

As soon as Directv lets customers choose EVERY channel, I will sign up for them (my building is prewired, directv dish is on the roof with an agreement with the HOA, door to door salesman already got an earful about no P12). Hmm. $4 for ESPN. $1 for Pac 12. $1 for Fox Sports 1. $1 for MLB network. $1 for TNT. Please Directv, give me an $8/mo TV bill, as I know you are certainly looking out for my best interests.

Nothing but more BS from Directv.

Just an FYI for everyone, reality dictates there is never a compromise with DTV, doing what they propose in the PR statement would effectively be the end of the P12 Network because other provider would demand the same agreement (Wilner and others have speculated that the 4 cable companies and DishNet actually have the contractual right not to be undercut, so their deals automatically would be reduced if indeed undercut).

Anyone who now wants to chime in a bash Comcast, that's fine, they are not great... but if you didn't have a $99 Tivo premiere (new ones have whole house streaming and an add on for ipad streaming) and are complaining about the crappy DVR's that's on you for not going out and using your consumer powers to get something that is pretty damn nice.

Too little too late. Dish is being installed tomorrow. Bye-bye DirecTV.

chicagoaubear;842142402 said:

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Too little too late. Dish is being installed tomorrow. Bye-bye DirecTV.

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What d-bags. Why are they shooting themselves in the foot like this. If they are going to get this deal done, don't let people leave. It's only about a month until college football season starts.

I'm stuck with DirecTV only if they don't offer the Pac-12. Gone-zo and bye-bye. They should talk about how they as media helped the Pac-12 to grow by exposing the channel not just to those who pay to get what they already know they want. S---- them, their "me first" bull, camouflaged as their 'holding out for consumer rights'. What malarkey. Calling Dish now.

Just like the argument above that the Pac 12 Network can't give into DTV's request for per participant pricing for fear that every other carrier will demand the same, DTV can't give into P12 Network because that would be undercutting the deals they have with B10 and others.

Not sure why everyone turns this into an anti-DTV thread when in fact DTV just wants the same deal it has with others.

Is it really same deal as others?

That's not how pricing works for any provider out there so I'm not sure why you would be so anti-DTV. They are all the same and offer bundled packages. To blame DTV is psychotic.

I don't have DTV, but I noticed they didn't make this argument when it came to adding the sports channel with the Lakers. And that channel cost them a lot of money per subscriber.

Californication;842142447 said:

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Just like the argument above that the Pac 12 Network can't give into DTV's request for per participant pricing for fear that every other carrier will demand the same, DTV can't give into P12 Network because that would be undercutting the deals they have with B10 and others.

Not sure why everyone turns this into an anti-DTV thread when in fact DTV just wants the same deal it has with others.

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What I am sure of is this is the same behavior that DTV engaged in with the BigTen Network before DirecTV decided to accept their offer. The BigTen-DirecTV melodrama lasted two years before an agreement was reached.

90sBear;842142462 said:

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Demand to watch the Lakers >>>>>>> Demand to watch Pac-12 volleyball

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Doesn't matter since people who have no interest in the Lakers are still paying for the channel if its part is a sports tier and not paid for by the customer independently

90sBear;842142450 said:

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Um, I don't get the value in buying a Tivo. The technology is better, but you are only saving a couple of bucks each month on the box, and the real value in a Tivo is if you buy a lifetime subscription (like $500) -- but the hacks at Tivo make it so it's only for the lifetime of that particular receiver, and once the warranty is up (I think 6 months), if it breaks, you have to buy a new one, eliminating all the value you thought you had gotten, and on top of that you have to buy a new subscription as well.

If there is an issue with equipment from Comcast, they replace it without any questions. If you can buy a lifetime subscription with Tivo for the life of the customer and not the receiver, I would buy it in a heartbeat.

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Actually, the payback on a TiVo DVR with Lifetime Service is about 3 years, even with the cost of the extended 3 year warranty. So, at worst it's a wash. Lifetime Service for subsequent TiVo DVRs is $399 (you get a $100 discount).

I much prefer the TiVo interface to Comcast DVRs, and it also works as a Netflix and YouTube receiver. I find the TiVo easier to program than the Comcast DVR. Small bonus: TiVo energy consumption in the Standby mode is 2 watts per hour; Comcast DVRs consume at least 50 watts in standby mode.

ColoradoBear1;842142398 said:

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As soon as Directv lets customers choose EVERY channel, I will sign up for them (my building is prewired, directv dish is on the roof with an agreement with the HOA, door to door salesman already got an earful about no P12). Hmm. $4 for ESPN. $1 for Pac 12. $1 for Fox Sports 1. $1 for MLB network. $1 for TNT. Please Directv, give me an $8/mo TV bill, as I know you are certainly looking out for my best interests.

Nothing but more BS from Directv.

Just an FYI for everyone, reality dictates there is never a compromise with DTV, doing what they propose in the PR statement would effectively be the end of the P12 Network because other provider would demand the same agreement (Wilner and others have speculated that the 4 cable companies and DishNet actually have the contractual right not to be undercut, so their deals automatically would be reduced if indeed undercut).

Anyone who now wants to chime in a bash Comcast, that's fine, they are not great... but if you didn't have a $99 Tivo premiere (new ones have whole house streaming and an add on for ipad streaming) and are complaining about the crappy DVR's that's on you for not going out and using your consumer powers to get something that is pretty damn nice.

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KoreAmBear;842142364 said:

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..But I am so glad I switched over to Time Warner. Not because I like it, because it sucks... However, I get the Pac-12 Network

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aloha will. been holding this 3min vid link for quite a while. thanks for giving me an excuse to let it go.

http://twccustomerservice.com

90sBear;842142450 said:

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Um, I don't get the value in buying a Tivo. The technology is better, but you are only saving a couple of bucks each month on the box, and the real value in a Tivo is if you buy a lifetime subscription (like $500) -- but the hacks at Tivo make it so it's only for the lifetime of that particular receiver, and once the warranty is up (I think 6 months), if it breaks, you have to buy a new one, eliminating all the value you thought you had gotten, and on top of that you have to buy a new subscription as well.

If there is an issue with equipment from Comcast, they replace it without any questions. If you can buy a lifetime subscription with Tivo for the life of the customer and not the receiver, I would buy it in a heartbeat.

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If you think that the Comcast DVR's are acceptable, then sure everything you said is true. I was directing the comment at those who are avoiding cable because the technology isn't on par with the 2 sat providers... the TiVo experience is definitely on par and the cost is similar to a regular DVR.
Not trying to call out DTV owners as an entire group, just pointing out that there are very slick options out there with cable (though I do get sick of the endless complaining about Scott bungling the DTV deal, I've said what I have to say on that one).

I also passed on the Tivo lifetime service, but that doesn't mean monthly is a bad deal when compared to the regular Comcast DVR - I don't want to be locked in at this point to any service. As it stands I'm paying around $1k per year for TV service and I paid $99 for a Tivo Premiere.

And I believe that paying money for a better product is something I'm willing to do, so even it does last only a few years, that is worth it to upgrade from the Comcast DVR any way you look at it.

FiatSlug;842142468 said:

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Actually, the payback on a TiVo DVR with Lifetime Service is about 3 years, even with the cost of the extended 3 year warranty. So, at worst it's a wash. Lifetime Service for subsequent TiVo DVRs is $399 (you get a $100 discount).

I much prefer the TiVo interface to Comcast DVRs, and it also works as a Netflix and YouTube receiver. I find the TiVo easier to program than the Comcast DVR. Small bonus: TiVo energy consumption in the Standby mode is 2 watts per hour; Comcast DVRs consume at least 50 watts in standby mode.

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I've actually been considering getting TiVo (I switched to Comcast from dtv - absolutely hate the Comcast dvr)

How do you get the $100 off the lifetime service?

Californication;842142447 said:

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Just like the argument above that the Pac 12 Network can't give into DTV's request for per participant pricing for fear that every other carrier will demand the same, DTV can't give into P12 Network because that would be undercutting the deals they have with B10 and others.

Not sure why everyone turns this into an anti-DTV thread when in fact DTV just wants the same deal it has with others.

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I have Direct TV. I have the SPORTS Monthly package which is $12.99 per month. The BIG 10 Network is part of that package. I would gladly pay an extra $1,00 per month for the PAC12 Network. DTV can't be charging more than a dollar for the BIG10. DISH has the PAC12 Network, DTV does not. Their monthly fees are about the same. When my contract is up in another year with DTV and if they don't have the PAC12 Network by then, I will switch because I want the PAC12. I don't give a damn if it's fair or not to DTV. BTW I have been with DTV over 14 years.

As far as TIVO, I have a TIVO DVR through DTV. It is covered under DTV warranties and service agreement. As a matter of fact TIVO has nothing to do with DTV's TIVO as far as troubleshooting any problems. They are handled by DTV only. By agreeing to a two year commitment there was no charge for them and we have one upstairs and one downstairs in our house.

youngbear1992;842142362 said:

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Well, at least DirecTV acknowledges the Pac-12 Networks exist now. They were so mad before, they took down any mention. Maybe this means the two sides are negotiating again. Go Lydia.

"Pac 12 Update
Pac 12 continues to cling to its 'all or nothing' strategy, insisting that every one of our customers foot the bill for the network when only a fraction of them have expressed any interest in the network at all. The fact is, we want fans of the Pac 12 to see every game on DIRECTV, which is why we've asked the conference to let us offer the network to those who want to pay for it. Where pricey sports networks are concerned, we believe our customers should have the opportunity to choose and get the best value for their money. We can reach an agreement quickly if Pac 12 is willing to give customers that choice at a reasonable price."

http://directvpromise.com/no-fan-should-be-sidelined/

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A basic principal of negotiating is to never negotiate in the media (public). Don't know why DTV feels they should be different.

youngbear1992;842142362 said:

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"Pac 12 Update
Pac 12 continues to cling to its 'all or nothing' strategy, insisting that every one of our customers foot the bill for the network when only a fraction of them have expressed any interest in the network at all. The fact is, we want fans of the Pac 12 to see every game on DIRECTV, which is why we've asked the conference to let us offer the network to those who want to pay for it. Where pricey sports networks are concerned, we believe our customers should have the opportunity to choose and get the best value for their money. We can reach an agreement quickly if Pac 12 is willing to give customers that choice at a reasonable price."

http://directvpromise.com/no-fan-should-be-sidelined/

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This is so obviously a PR ploy. DTV knows that a la carte pricing is popular among consumers, so they are trying to gain public opinion leverage by hitching their negotiating position to that horse. Yet they will never, ever willingly offer across-the-board a la carte pricing (and in fact will lobby like hell against it). Now they have the gall to claim P12's opposition to a la carte is the reason for no deal. Cynical, hypocritical and distasteful. Negative goodwill points to DTV.

If DTV would just say, "like any for-profit enterprise, we're all about making money, and we don't think the deal offered by P12 is in our money-making interests," I would understand and accept that reason. (I would still walk away, but at least there would be no hard feelings, and I would consider re-upping in the future.)

Signed,
Former DTV customer

I paid out my DTV subscription last year ($250) to switch to DISH. I have no regrets. I now get the P12 network and pay significantly less per month.

I will say, and I hope someone from DTV is reading this, the minute DTV carries the P12 network I am switching back. I think DTV is a vastly superior product for which I am willing to pay more. More HD channels and a much better UI.

I get a letter from DTV every month offering me $200 to switch back. I wish Dish had offered me that!

TiVo Lifetime DVR Service has been a big win for us. I bought it while employed at TiVo in 2000. I think it was 100 or 200 bucks...

I have DTV now (purchased PrimeStar), with their DVR, but with the TiVo Lifetime grandfathered, 13+ years. So long as I maintain my account, I can keep updating the DVR every few years, no problem.

No Pac-12 Network though...

ducky23;842142523 said:

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I've actually been considering getting TiVo (I switched to Comcast from dtv - absolutely hate the Comcast dvr)

How do you get the $100 off the lifetime service?

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You have to already own one and order it as your 2nd Tivo. Nothing then says you have to continue to have two units, but it's probably only a good option now when your 1st Tivo is on the skids.

Though it is possible to sell and transfer an old tivo w/ lifetime, so you can recoup a little down the road if you decide to go back to something else, or upgrade equipment in the future.

bigtuba1;842142544 said:

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I paid out my DTV subscription last year ($250) to switch to DISH. I have no regrets. I now get the P12 network and pay significantly less per month.

I will say, and I hope someone from DTV is reading this, the minute DTV carries the P12 network I am switching back. I think DTV is a vastly superior product for which I am willing to pay more. More HD channels and a much better UI.

I get a letter from DTV every month offering me $200 to switch back. I wish Dish had offered me that!

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90sBear;842142563 said:

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But on their website it said the lifetime subscription is for the life of the receiver, not the life of the customer.

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Believe he was saying that he is grandfathered in under the old policy.

ducky23;842142523 said:

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I've actually been considering getting TiVo (I switched to Comcast from dtv - absolutely hate the Comcast dvr)

How do you get the $100 off the lifetime service?

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Just to be clear, Lifetime Service for the first TiVo DVR you buy is $499. Lifetime Service for subsequent (additional) TiVo DVRs is $399.

When you sign up for Lifetime Service on your 2nd (or later) DVR, you have to provide the TiVo Service number for your first TiVo DVR.

But, as I said earlier, the TiVo Lifetime Service pays for itself in three years because you are not required to pay for the monthly Comcast DVR charge (which I understand is now $17.95 per month), and Comcast credits back the $10 HD Technology Fee. I pay a Cable CARD fee ($1.50 per month), but that is more than countered by an adjustment for Customer-owned Equipment ($2.50 credit per month). I'm saving $18.95 per month by having a TiVo with Lifetime Service and I'm balancing the purchase price and the cost of Lifetime Service ($499) against those monthly savings. The outlay is recovered in about 35 months, not including lost interest on the outlay over that same period.

grandmastapoop;842142565 said:

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Believe he was saying that he is grandfathered in under the old policy.

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Indeed GMP. DTV's Customer Agreement (relevant portion):

If you paid a "lifetime service fee," you will not be charged a fee for your DIRECTV DVR Service as long as you maintain television programming service from DIRECTV on the same account. If you disconnect your DIRECTV television programming service and later reconnect on the same account, your DIRECTV DVR Service will be reconnected and you will not be charged a fee for DIRECTV DVR Service.

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/content/legal/customer_agreement

I PDF'd this a couple years ago, saved it on Google Drive and elsewhere...

90sBear;842142462 said:

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Demand to watch the Lakers >>>>>>> Demand to watch Pac-12 volleyball

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Of course it is. But if they truly believed the BS they are spewing out about the Pac12 network, they would say the same thing for TWC Sportsnet. They certainly didn't put it on a higher pay tier like they are pushing for the Pac12 network.

SRBear;842142465 said:

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Doesn't matter since people who have no interest in the Lakers are still paying for the channel if its part is a sports tier and not paid for by the customer independently

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Well it does matter in that the Lakers' network is $4/mo (and dodgers when that happens) and the P12 is rumored to be $.80/mo (BTN is ~$.97/mo).